do we really have to wait for post-game?
It happens, at least this way we end the day on time.
I did get tired (literally) since it took so long but of course, that isn't the real reason.Originally Posted by kestegs
The three VTs (zemaj, coju, pharphis) all claimed or started dropping hints during D1 - before any deaths occurred. No one has seemed displeased with the roles claimed from the hints. I consider the D1 breadcrumbing a good faith effort to give town information. I think their town cred is pretty solid.
From my point of view, that leaves kestegs and Solar Ice.
Solar Ice claiming to be coju, then claiming the party host + 1x coroner is a thing of beauty. Look at how coju described how he thought the coju role would appear in game: pro-town but no one can believe it's pro-town. Solar Ice's claim is a completely random mishmash of abilities - it fits perfectly. Either FoE did a superb job of creating the role, or Solar Ice did a superb job of faking the role. I'd trust the former over the latter. If you are going to fake a coju claim, the party host + coroner combo is just too weird and brings instant scrutiny.
Autti's responses to Solar Ice are similar to Autti's response to me. It looks defensive. Autti didn't have to respond to kestegs.
I don't think thefranklin was recruited yet. The only night which lacks a NK while thefranklin was alive was N1, which ended around post 200. In post 323, thefranklin dropped the recruitment hint, looking like he wanted to be noticed. Ultimately not a lot of useful insight from thefranklin if he wasn't recruited.
BA is the only other player claimed to be anti-town. BA spent some valuable word count talking to/about Solar Ice but not kestegs... Except for post 142 where BA agrees with kestegs that the role speculation talk "doesn't help the town." Autti was part of that talk and was mafia. BA was claimed to have the BA role. He had his own role, which was the subject Autti was talking about. BA didn't want Autti talking about that subject but didn't voice suspicion over Autti. I have no problems believing BA was mafia.
kestegs seems to have more of a buddy connection to each mafia and claimed mafia than Solar Ice.
Then there are the little incidents.
Thanking Noodle for the saving then saying "bus driver is more likely to be anti-town in my experience." I'm 99% sure you haven't played in a game with an anti-town bus driver since I don't think such a role has ever existed on these forums.
You guess the SK guessed you self protected N3 but you didn't guess the mafia guessed you self protected N3. Someone knows what the mafia did on a night with 2 night kills.
Throughought the conversation following Valh's initial vote of Autti, your only words about Autti were that he was suspicious but also said that townies (Autti) would change their play style after being called scummy. All your other __ postes between Valh's conducting the lynch train and Autti's lynch were to interrogate me, Valh (several times), pharphis, pcm, Noodle, coju, speculate about the SK/Vigi and enter into conversations with several who were talking about the SK/Vigi.
You asked someone (maybe PCM, maybe the entire town) what role would make a good SK or vigi. Compare this to the earlier role speculation Autti did that you thought didn't help the town.
You mentioned the one shot vigilante idea before I claimed.
Before Autti's lock, you grilled Valh, as has been said. After Autti's lock and Valh's open claim, you said there was no reason not to trust Valh and the flip should tell a lot. You said corax would be your choice for a cop role. The very next post, you said you thought Valh and Rlyeh had soft claimed frozzzen.
You put out the idea of flubbucket the bodyguard before you claimed doc. Testing the waters? In the same post, you said Valh wasn't likely to be saved by the doc because Valh asked to be saved by the doc. This is the night after Valh first claimed: the night you claimed to save yourself. I'm not sure how much I have in my pockets after last game, but I'd bet it all that flubb was doc rather than you.
You asked if I thought a PCM lynch was a bad idea before you voted for PCM's lynch.
I could probably find more, but I think this is enough. If there is one scum left, I think it's kestegs. If there are two scum left, then I think kestegs is one. The other is probably Solar Ice and they are probably on opposite sides.
Not much to say there but that you've got a lot of bad speculations. It's up to the town to decide now, I've said what I have to say.
I don't think I understand what you mean by recruitment :/
and more importantly:
What did you mean by the bolded statement?
Everything else you've said about Kestegs has me hooked.
vote: Kestegs
@Kestegs: That sort of sounds like giving up to me, since you didn't really say which speculations are bad and why. I understand you've defended yourself elsewhere, but not to most of what Gory had to say.
you aren't helping yourself with these little snippets, kegs...
Yea, I know. I just despise WoT posts like that and I've already responded to enough of them.
My lynch today will only solidify the need to lynch solar tomorrow, so at least I will have helped the town with something.
thefranklin was a mafia spy/traitor - a role which is mafia aligned but doesn't start the game night talking with the mafia. The rest of the mafia don't know the identity of the spy/traitor and might not even know a spy/traitor exists. The spy/traitor joins the night talk when recruited. The spy/traitor is usually recruited when mafia target the spy/traitor for night kill.
I think if both kestegs and Solar Ice are anti-town, then one is SK and one is mafia. They don't share a win condition (same side). One has to die for the other to win (opposite side).
You have helped us with nothing.
Why should I get lynched tomorrow? Is it because of your bitterness that if it was not for me seeing right through your play, you would have coasted through this game with everyone believing that you're are the good but misguided doctor? Everything was going just hunky-dory till I pissed on your parade, right Kestegs?
You should get lynched because you started this train (and for my previous reasons)
I said my getting lynched will finally help the town, since you don't seem to think I have helped the town yet.
And I'm the one that pissed on your parade, you have not pissed on mine.
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