Monk's Two Handed Weapons

[Hadrial]

Minimum spirit is 150, 250 spirit after the passive, and there might be some affixes that add to the cap as well.

Mantras would be 100spirit every 6seconds.

[Coolhwip]

Never said they would. But you can change your spec to account for it.

Any changes that you make to make up for slow spirit generation will actually benefit the fast attacking dual wield monk more.

Exalted soul for 100 extra spirit? The DW monk can spend more spirit then since they can refill it quicker.
The Guardian's Path? You sacrificed a passive that could've gone to utility, defense.

Btw Wiz spike has only 203 base DPS, the rest of it's DPS is from affixes (that we can't see).

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/wizardspike
59+178=237
237/2=118.5
118.5 * APS(1.72) = 203.82 DPS

Dual Weilding:
DW APS= 1.72*(1+.15)= 1.978
118.5*1.978= 234.393 DPS

If you get one item with 15% IAS your APS would be.
1.72*(1+.15+.15)=2.236 APS
118.5*2.236= 264.966 DPS

Yeah, I rememer it had something like 131% dmg to wizards only, but so what? My emphasis is about attack speed so I used an easy to find example. Pretend I said dual wielding Darkblades (http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/darkblade) or Azurewraths and try your argument again. As a point of reference, my monk had a base ~2.3APS with beta gear, with a frenzy shrine I reached over 2.8APS.

Lets compare that to Skorn.
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/skorn
Lowest damage spectrum.
590+743=1333
1333/2=666.5
666.5*APS(1.0)=666.5 DPS

Higher end damage spectrum.
724+1037=1761
1761/2=880.5
880.5 * APS(1.0)=880.5 DPS

If you get one item that has 15% IAS while using Skorn, your APS would go to 1.15.
666.5*1.15= 766.475 DPS
880.5*1.15= 1012.575 DPS

I'm taking the Skorn, thx.

Since the start to the last day of beta monks couldn't use 2h axes, 2h maces nor 2h swords so you'll have to try again. Sure you could wait 'til the patch that will supposedly add more weapon choices is deployed but until then, though, you'll take nothing or stick with a Barbarian.

also coolhwip your math is off if you think you can get 4.5APS

You can get +APS and %attack speed from rings, amulets and weapons and %attack speed from gloves. So yeah you are right and wrong at the same time, I gave the 4.5 APS figure as a conservative baseline. Best in slot +APS and %attack speed takes you beyond 5.2 APS.


I could elaborate further (with detailed attack rotation breakdowns) about how fast weapons allow you to have a high uptime of combination strike, breaking wave, mantras and their 3 second bonuses (these last 2 greatly benefit your entire party), the ability to weave in more spenders per rotation but instead I let you try it for yourselves as homework: http://diablonut.incgamers.com/planner

[zakazak]

why would a mantra need 100 SPirit every 6 seconds ?! Would you re-cast it every 6 seconds? Doesn't that mean u have a "skill casting movement" and your attacks are stopped?

[Wizz]

alls i know is i HATED using a Daibo in the closed beta. i prefered the crafted 1 handed maces. im pretty sure my monk will be dual wielding most of the time, i hope. (way more fun..). Who LIKES being SLOW? lol.

[redrach]

I'd definitely want to use a Daibo when using Seven-Sided Strike, at least.
It's a damn shame there's no weapon swap. :(

[Hadrial]

You don't need to cast mantras every 3 seconds. But to get the improved benefits from the first 3 seconds of it you would... that was an example of what you could use the 100 spirit in a short amount of time.

Yes, 2 handers suck early on. The DPS difference is minuscule early in the game, but as you reach higher levels the difference increases greatly.

I'm sure Skorn isn't easy to come by so i'm not crying..
The passives are meant to complement your play style. So if you are using a two hander your spirit generation will be less. The guardian's path offsets this slightly. I could also say that your passives you would use for increased damage are a waste since you could do more damage with a 2h, not needing those +dmg passives.

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/vigilance
476+575=1051
1051/2=525.5
525.5* APS(1.08)=567.54 DPS

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/darkblade
Dual Wielding:
70+209=279
279/2=139.5
APS (1.5*(1+.15))=1.725
139.5*APS(1.725)= 240.6375

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/item/azurewrath
Dual Wield:
126+294=420
420/2=210
APS 1.67*(1+.15)=1.9205
210*1.9205 = 403.305 DPS.


FoT APS Multiplier: 1.4

Azurewrath:
APS(1.9205) * 1.4 = 2.6887
2.6887*60=161.322 Attacks per Minute
161.322*1.1*210(avg dmg)=37265.82 damage per minute.

Vigilance:
APS(1.08) * 1.4=1.512
1.512*60= 90.72 Attacks per Minute.
90.72*1.1*525.5= 52440.696 damage per minute.

Damn math..

[zakazak]

but casting a mantra every 3 secs means a skill castin animation = no attack = **** ?

[Coolhwip]

It's a damn shame there's no weapon swap. :(

Indeed. Weapon swap would be the one feature that would take every class over the top. The only problem is it would break all of the pre-baked balance Blizzard could come up with.

[Hadrial]

but casting a mantra every 3 secs means a skill castin animation = no attack = **** ?

And with MoC/Overawe it would mean +48% damage on all mobs within 40 yards.

[zakazak]

so it's useless afterall