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    The Barbarian single-target DPS challenge!

    Current top iterations:

    Maniac/Best Served Cold: Potential 20% damage bonus to big cooldowns, depending on how Maniac is to be interpreted. Has healing in bonus. http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculato...TjP!ZYc!cZacZZ

    Instigation/Smash: Alternates Instigation and Smash at high fury levels so that the latter can benefit from Berserker Rage. http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculato...TjP!ZYc!YZacZZ

    Instigation/Dread Bomb: Drop yourself below 20% health and spam Dread Bomb once at max fury. Could potentially replace the Weapon Master passive with Animosity for 60% more damage on Dread Bomb at the expense of whatever Weapon Master provides. Very dangerous to use, to the point of unviability. Has area of effect damage in bonus. I can confidently say that this build has the highest potential damage dealing capability in the entire game. http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculato...TjP!YcU!YcacZZ

    Dear Barbarian forums,

    I challenge thee.

    Friends and I have been planning our party for months, only to realize that we lacked burst single-target damage dealing capabilities. We have also come to realize that I was the only player without a very defined role, so much that I, the Barbarian, was forcefully elected (without complains on my part) to become our dedicated single-target damage dealer.

    Goal and "rules":

    -The goal of this thread is to come up with the highest possible single-target damage dealing build for the Barbarian.

    -You cannot pick the Brawler passive.

    -If you are to bring in maths, just create your own situation. As long as you compare the same stats, you should be able to figure out what the best build is. While it is true that certain builds probably scale better, we just don't currently have enough information to determine anything precisely. You are invited to use your imagination rather than raw numbers.

    -The seemingly best builds for our purpose (supported by the best arguments) will be posted up! (updated).


    Last edited by ElementEight; 02-05-2012 at 20:00.

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    Re: The Barbarian single-target DPS challenge!

    Remove whichever outside of the holy trinity (prim gen, marauders, insanity) and insert BSC. Done!



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    Last edited by NotUsed; 01-05-2012 at 00:56.

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    Re: The Barbarian single-target DPS challenge!

    The OP's build is good, yet there's still some factors that could change skill choice.

    If you get hit a lot, Revenge could work.
    If the fight lasts longer than 90 seconds, having WotB and CotA reduced cooldown with boon of bulkathos could yield more damage than Ruthless passive.

    http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculato...ijP!YcS!ccaaaZ

    And of course, the Barbarian would be using an item that granted 14% more damage to Frenzy.



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    Re: The Barbarian single-target DPS challenge!

    Heh, fun challenge. One would probably have to break out the math, but I'm not smart enough for that. I'd go for this: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barbarian#WcSiTP!YWZ!cbaacZ

    I think rend every 3 seconds will be superior to CotA in longer fights - and since we now have a fury spender, Beserker Rage is changed to Animosity.
    However, for pure damage, I'd pick Weapon Throw (Dread Bomb) instead of Furious Charge: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barbarian#WcfiTP!YWZ!cbcacZ With animosity, that's 460% weapon damage with a full fury bubble. Furious Charge adds some utility, and allows you to catch up to the monster (i.e. The Skeleton King), but if you ignore that possibility then Dread Bomb.



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    Re: The Barbarian single-target DPS challenge!

    Quote Originally Posted by Superstate View Post
    Remove whichever outside of the holy trinity (prim gen, marauders, insanity) and insert BSC. Done!
    Not sure what you meant by BSC.

    I see what you're trying to do, but I fear the time you spend using an inferior damage dealing generator is going to hurt the overall DPS "chart". It does open up the possibility of using Bash x 2, Hammer of the Ancients x 1 repeatedly in order to have it benefit from Berserker Rage.

    Quote Originally Posted by Such Violent Storms View Post
    The OP's build is good, yet there's still some factors that could change skill choice.

    If you get hit a lot, Revenge could work.
    If the fight lasts longer than 90 seconds, having WotB and CotA reduced cooldown with boon of bulkathos could yield more damage than Ruthless passive.

    http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculato...ijP!YcS!ccaaaZ

    And of course, the Barbarian would be using an item that granted 14% more damage to Frenzy.
    The big cooldowns are really hard to judge, because while they hit extremely hard themselves (making them amazing for burst), over such long cooldowns, other skills are certainly be able to deal more. As for getting hit, I'm not our tank. As an aside, merely using Frenzy + Maniac yields something like 230%, which is really close if not over what revenge can do, so I'm unconvinced about it even if I were to be hit enough for constant procs. Boon is certainly a good idea if the fight is to last over 90, that's for sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by Snerra View Post
    Heh, fun challenge. One would probably have to break out the math, but I'm not smart enough for that. I'd go for this: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barbarian#WcSiTP!YWZ!cbaacZ

    I think rend every 3 seconds will be superior to CotA in longer fights - and since we now have a fury spender, Beserker Rage is changed to Animosity.
    You make a good point with Rend, though I see not why you'd want to use it over Smash; yes, HotA/Smash deals 1% less damage, but it has an innate 5% critical chance, which definitely outweights the damage. Once again, we'll have to see how long fights last to judge the usefulness of CotA in delivering damage.


    Quote Originally Posted by Snerra View Post
    However, for pure damage, I'd pick Weapon Throw (Dread Bomb) instead of Furious Charge: http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/barbarian#WcfiTP!YWZ!cbcacZ With animosity, that's 460% weapon damage with a full fury bubble. Furious Charge adds some utility, and allows you to catch up to the monster (i.e. The Skeleton King), but if you ignore that possibility then Dread Bomb.
    We'd need someone to calculate the advantage of expanding fury with WT/Dread Bomb versus that of benefiting from Berserker Rage with Frenzy/Maniac.

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    Good posts thus far, there's certainly a lot of thinking to be done here.



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    Re: The Barbarian single-target DPS challenge!

    Regarding Rend - hmm, yeah, Smash would seem like the better choice here. Missed that one :o


    Last edited by Snerra; 29-04-2012 at 23:51.

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    Re: The Barbarian single-target DPS challenge!

    Quote Originally Posted by ElementEight View Post



    I see what you're trying to do, but I fear the time you spend using an inferior damage dealing generator is going to hurt the overall DPS "chart". It does open up the possibility of using Bash x 2, Hammer of the Ancients x 1 repeatedly in order to have it benefit from Berserker Rage.

    Overpower in my build is for 10% more crit for 6 sec and I was thinking Bash x1 HotA x1 but for this you need -5Fury Hota weapon and +3fury per hit... hard to get but imho it would make top single target dps especially with high crit rate. And yes keep BR up all the time.

    Why do you call Bash inferior? even with bash x2 and high crit rate thx to other skills, it should bring high single target dps.



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    Re: The Barbarian single-target DPS challenge!

    Done.

    http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculato...iPV!ZYS!cZZaZZ

    The most crit and bonus damage for single target I could find.



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    Re: The Barbarian single-target DPS challenge!

    Quote Originally Posted by NotUsed View Post
    Why do you call Bash inferior? even with bash x2 and high crit rate thx to other skills, it should bring high single target dps.
    Bash does a lot less DPS than Frenzy. Maniac also improves all of your damage by 4% per stack (20%) as long as you keep it up, which could end up being massive if you use it as you use EQ or CotA.

    Quote Originally Posted by arcanedreams View Post
    Done.

    http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculato...iPV!ZYS!cZZaZZ

    The most crit and bonus damage for single target I could find.
    This seems good, but we'd really need to math out whether or not having a certain crit bonus for a certain duration is worth the inferior damage brought by Revenge and Overpower.



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