The PvP Thread

[nulio]

The Player versus Player thread

A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon. bloody ears!!! - Napoleon Bonaparte




With Diablo 3 around the corner - and without PvP in a foreseeable future - I think it’s
the right time and last chance to try bringing some more players to the SPF PvP Scene
and maybe even starting something more regular - and hoping that we can continue
to duel here and there for a long time.


Why PvP?


It’s a LOT of fun, it pumps you full with adrenaline, it’s a great excuse to make some
awesome characters and one more cool thing you can do with Diablo 2!


Contents: 1. Rules 2. Item Restrictions 3. Dueler’s Registry 4. Links & History

Rules

It goes without saying that first you have to comply with the SPF rules with special
attention to those that can make you not eligible to MP/Trading.


Everyone can play with several sets of rules:


RS0 - No rules at all!!! If it’s legit you can use it!
Not usual but it can be great for some fun and trolling times!


RS1 - Standard Bad Mannered Rules
Taken from the PvP Guide and those we’ve been following the last years:

Spoiler

The rules most commonly used nowadays are intended to prevent inherent imbalances in classes becoming too dominant and leading to too many one sided matches. Obviously this doesn’t always occur, and it is still possible to completely negate attacks under these rules, but in general if it’s just a standard game don’t stack and absorb someone to the point that their damage becomes insignificant. Save that sort of thing for tournaments. They’re fairly comparable to what’s being regarded as GM in public games on Battle.net, with a couple of exceptions, the main ones being the bans on Decrepify, Bone Prison and recasting Cyclone and Bone Armour.


No potions (except mana potions), mercs, wells, or shrines.
No recasting Cyclone and Bone Armour.
No minions that cannot be summoned in town with the exception of Decoy.
No Holy Freeze, Decrepify, Slow Missiles, or Bone Prison.
No mass slow (>10%), no mass poison from items (>200), no mass replenish (>25).
No curse charges (this includes Slow Missiles). Chance to cast is acceptable.
No over absorb. Limit 2 items per element with the standard ban on Rising Sun and Black Oak.
Mana potions are allowed for all characters except ES based sorcs

RS2 - SPF ‘12 PvP Rules
I’d love to discuss some new rules and that we could all decide something that could be
used for every possible tournament that might (or not) happen.


A brief discussion happened here.


RS3 - Old GM Rules
Not used often, posted here for completeness:

Spoiler

Equipment Rules
* Bugged, hacked or duped items cannot be used – 1.07 crafted items are included in this category.
* All “1.07/1.08 vita” items like Arkaine’s Valor, Harlequin’s Crest, Baranar’s Star and Gerke’s Sanctuary are not allowed. The 1.09 or 1.10 versions of these items are acceptable, however.
* Items with the “Slows Target by X%” modifier are not allowed on physical-damage attackers (for example, Cleglaw’s Claw or Blackhorn’s Face). A caster character like a Necromancer or Sorceress, however, can use Blackhorn’s Face or other items with the “Slows Target by X%” modifier if they want.
* Items with the “Knockback” modifier are not allowed on any character class. Skills that provide a knockback effect (for example, Smite, Bash, Charge or Leap Attack) are still allowable.
* Total Life Replenish from items and skills combined is limited to 25.
* Poison damage is limited to 200 from items, per player. Poison damage from skills (for example, Venom or Poison Nova) is allowed in any amount.
* All duellers may use items that provide auras, with the exception of the “Doom” runeword as it provides the Holy Freeze aura.
* Each character is only allowed to wear two sources of +max resist/absorb per element. For poison, Poison Length Reduction gear will count as absorb. For example, you may wear 2 Ravenfrosts or 1 Ravenfrost and a Guardian Angel, but not 2 Ravenfrosts and a Guardian Angel. Items like Thundergod's Vigor with both +max resist and absorb will count as both of your two sources for that element, so you may not wear Thundergod's Vigor in conjunction with another item that provides +max resist lightning, +max resist all, or +lightning absorb. Finally, putting points into the paladin's passive resist skills will count as a source of +max resist.
* The Rising Sun amulet is not allowed on any character class.
* Blackoak Luna is not allowed on any character class.


Faster Run/Walk Restrictions
Maximum of 110% frw combined from skills, gear, and charms. For example, a Barbarian with 30% frw from Increased Speed can have no more than 80% frw from gear and charms. The skills that give frw are Frenzy, Feral Rage, Increased Speed, Vigor, and Burst of Speed. If you're going to be using any of these skills, plan your frw accordingly.


Banned Skills
The following skills are not to be used at any stage of a duel. They may have points invested in them as a pre-requisite for higher-tier skills or for synergy benefits.
* Lifetap
* Amplify Damage
* Iron Maiden
* Bone Prison (Necromancer)
* Decrepify (Necromancer)
* Blessed Hammer and Concentration at the same time (Paladin)
* Holy Bolt (Paladin)
* Holy Freeze (Paladin)
* Blaze (Sorceress)
* Teleport (Sorceress)
These items may not be used in the form of class skills, o-skills granted by items, charges, or chance to cast when striking.


Skill Restrictions
The following skills are capped or have limitations regarding their use in duels.
* Bone Armour (Necromancer) - It cannot be cast more than once per duel.
* Cyclone Armour (Druid) - It cannot be cast more than once per duel.

Melee - A good brawl is great for the bones!
As proposed by maxicek here:

Spoiler

Rules
Soft rules are intended for friendly, open session melee PvP games. If using these rules for a tournament, only the Hard Rules apply.


The Soft Rules
- Play to the spirit of the rules, not the letter.
- WW Barbs and Smiters are banned by default, but if you want to join a game for some BvB duelling on The Cold Plains for example, you may. If you want to duel with other melee builds you may, if you ask first and get agreement from the other players in the game.


The Hard Rules
Both the Standard BM Rules and the Melee PvP Rules apply.


Standard BM Rules
The standard BM Rules all apply as usual:
- No potions (except mana potions), mercs, wells, or shrines.
- No recasting Cyclone and Bone Armour.
- No minions that cannot be summoned in town with the exception of Decoy.
- No Holy Freeze, Decrepify, Slow Missiles, or Bone Prison.
- No mass slow (>10%), no mass poison from items (>200), no mass replenish (>25).
- No curse charges (this includes Slow Missiles). Chance to cast (ctc) is acceptable.
- No over absorb. Limit 2 items per element with the standard ban on Rising Sun and Black Oak. Mana potions are allowed for all characters except ES based sorcs


Melee PvP Rules
- Duel take place in Nightmare.
- Faster Run/Walk (FRW) is capped at 110 total from skills and equipment.
- Teleport is banned for all classes.
- All ranged attacks are banned. This includes mind blast.
- Only a single elemental aura type may be active at one time. Conviction is allowed in combination with elemental auras, as long as there is only a single elemental aura active.
- Rabies, Smite and Whirlwind (Barbarian's) are banned by default, but see Soft Rules section above.
- Whirlwind is allowed for Assassins.
- Life Tap is banned, including from Chance to Cast.

LLD - Low Level Dueling
Quoting jdkerr here:

Spoiler

What are the rules?


Well, characters obviously cannot be higher than lvl30. We also prohibit glitch-rushing your character through the game, so characters cannot have completed any quests past "Normal" difficulty. For practical purposes, there is no reason to complete any quests past the first one in Act 4 Normal.


Beyond that, I think we use the standard SPF PvP ruleset:


-- No potions (except mana potions), mercs, wells, or shrines.
-- No recasting Cyclone and Bone Armour.
-- No minions that cannot be summoned in town with the exception of Decoy.
-- No Holy Freeze, Decrepify, Slow Missiles, or Bone Prison.
-- No mass slow (>10%), no mass poison from items (>200), no mass replenish (>25).
-- No curse charges (this includes Slow Missiles). Chance to cast is acceptable.
-- No over absorb. Limit 2 items per element with the standard ban on Rising Sun and Black Oak.
-- Mana potions are allowed for all characters except ES based sorcs


(I am not sure if the absorb rules are relevant, actually, since most of the absorb gear cannot be equipped at lvl30. There is a problem with fire sorb, though. Do we just ban any resists over 75%? I did not find anything in the last thread. Any ideas?)

Item restrictions

Apart from those in the rules there isn't usually any item restriction.
Since ATMA Bugged items still split SPF’s opinions and the same can be said, in a lower
degree, for bringing forward items from older versions or characters levelled in older
versions, if you'd prefer dueling without it feel free to let the other players know.
That way they can swap characters or some items.


If you have any doubt about these items:
1.07 crafts - 1.07 uniques - 1.09 uniques - 1.10s Runewords - ATMA Bug

Dueler’s Registry

Required Data:
Forums’ nick [with mandatory link to trade profile if you have one], Set of rules you prefer, Timezone
#1 Character’s name [with optional link to thread], character’s class, character’s version
#2 Character’s name [with optional link to thread], character’s class, character’s version
...


Notes:
-Timezone- You can check your timezone here


The Warriors


bassano, RS1, UTC+1
HLD
- White_Shade - Necromancer - Bone - 1.13d
- Fluor - Necromancer - Poison - 1.13d
- Ambin - Paladin - Smite - 1.13d
- Wind_Spirit - Druid - Windy - 1.13d
- Celia - Assassin - Trap - 1.13d
- Shadow_Master - Assassin - Ghost - 1.13d


colony, RS0/1/2, UTC0
HLD
- Im_ABarb - Barbarian - BvC - 1.13d
- Priapism - Necromancer - Bone - 1.13d
- Frozen_BeefII - Sorceress - Blizzard/ES - 1.13d
- Wind_Druid - Druid - Wind Druid - 1.13d
- Poisonmancer - Necromancer - Poison - 1.13d
- Sorceress - Paladin - Hammerdin - 1.13d
- Tele_Zon - Amazon - Hybridzon - 1.13d
- Flame_Grilled - Sorceress - Fire/ES - 1.13d
- Fried_Beef - Sorceress - Orb/ES - 1.13d
- XxNuBSmItEoRxX - Paladin - Smiter - 1.13d


Face, RS1, UTC-4
HLD
- Serenity - Assassin - LS Trapper - 1.13d
- Vulcan - Druid - Fireclaws Werebear - 1.13d
- Zareta - Sorceress - FO/TS - 1.13d
- Ivy - Amazon - PJ/LF - 1.13d
HLD Melee-only
- Vulcan - Druid - Fireclaws Werebear - 1.13d


frozzzen, RS1, UTC+1
HLD
- Acheron - Necromancer - Bone - 1.13d
- Blitzy - Sorceress - 200fcr Light/ES - 1.13d
- Faithless - Paladin - FoH/Hammer - 1.13d
- Inoe - Sorceress - FO/ES - 1.13d
- Joanna - Druid - Fury/Rabies - 1.13d
- Kyuubey - Barbarian - BvC - 1.13d
- Railgun - Amazon - Bow/Hybrid - 1.13d
- Rena - Assassin - 102 C/C Trapper - 1.13d
- Stratos - Druid - Windy - 1.13d
- Tifa - Assassin - WW/Trap - 1.13d
- Vivien - Sorceress - 200fcr Fire/ES - 1.13d
- Youmu - Assassin - Ghost - 1.13d


Gripphon, RS1, UTC+1
HLD
- Vegeta - Barbarian - BvC - 1.13d
- Grishknakh - Barbarian - Berserker - 1.13d
- Shaella - Sorceress - Blizzard - 1.13d
- Xylene - Sorceress - Fireball - 1.13d
- Alnilam - Necromancer - Poisonmancer - 1.13d
- Odiseuss - Druid - Windy - 1.13d
- Sinn - Assassin - Ghost - 1.13d
- Thaisa - Amazon - Bowazon - 1.13d
LLD
- Hercules - Barbarian - WW - 1.13d
- Azura - Assassin - Kicker - 1.13d
- Seth - Druid - Fury - 1.13d
- Celeste - Sorceress - Blizzard - 1.13d
- Agrona - Amazon - Bowazon - 1.13d
- Shamash - Druid - Windy - 1.13d


horseheadnebula, RS1/2, UTC+2
HLD
- Sirius - Sorceress - Blizzard - 1.13d
- Myrkky - Necromancer - Poison - 1.13d
- Solarwind - Druid - Wind - 1.13d
- Nastja - Assasin - Lightning Sentry - 1.13d


janooo, RS2, UTC+1
HLD
- Insane - Barbarian - 1.13d
- Decay - Necromancer - 1.13d
- Reni - Assassin - 1.13d


Kimppi, RS1/2, UTC+2
HLD
- BillyBlaze - Druid - Fire - 1.13d
- FortySeven - Assassin - WW/Trapper - 1.13d
- HolierThanThou - Paladin - FoH/Smite - 1.13d


maxicek, RS1, UTC0
HLD
- Atalanta - Amazon - Bowazon - 1.13d
- Trinity - Assassin - Speederlander - 1.13d
- Pris - Assassin - WW Trap - 1.13d
- Zhora - Assassin - C/C Trapper - 1.13d
- Ultraviolet - Assassin - W/S Trapper - 1.13d
- Karina - Assassin - Kicker - 1.13d
- Aeon_Flux - Assassin - Ghost - 1.13d
- Blaze - Assassin - Firedancer - 1.13d
- Ultima_II - Assassin - Tiger Strike - 1.13d
- The_Kurgan - Barbarian - BvA - 1.13d
- Kastagir - Barbarian - BvB - 1.13d
- Bane - Barbarian - BvC - 1.13d
- Maugrim - Wolfbarb - 1.13d
- Meliadus - Druid - Wolf - 1.13d
- Boreas - Druid - Wind - 1.13d
- Yyrkoon - Necromancer - Bonemancer - 1.13d
- de_Carabas - Paladin - Liberator - 1.13d
- Inigo_Montoya - Paladin - Smiter - 1.13d
- Morpheus - Paladin - T/V - 1.13d
- Ramirez - Paladin - Charger - 1.13d
- Aurora - Sorceress - Fire - 1.13d
- Serenity - Sorceress - Blizzard - 1.13d
HLD Melee-only
- Obsidian - Assassin - Whirlwind - 1.13d
- Kobaine - Paladin - Zealot - 1.13d


NagisaFurukawa, RS1, UTC-8
HLD
- Ai - Amazon - Bowazon (Walking) - 1.13d
- Akari - Amazon - LF/Bow (Teleport) - 1.13d
- Olivie - Amazon - PJ/Bow (Teleport) - 1.13d
- Lucia - Assassin - Kick/Trap/Bow - 1.13d


nulio, RS2, UTC0
HLD
- Geada - Sorceress - 1.13d
- Ember - Sorceress - 1.13d
- Penthesilea - Amazon - Bowazon - 1.13d
- Nanban - Barbarian - Wolf - 1.13d
- Aetherius - Paladin - Mage - 1.13d


omgwtfbbqpwned, RS1/2, UTC-6
HLD
- AyaBrea - Amazon - Bowazon - 1.13d
- SexyHentaiTime - Amazon - Sidewinder - 1.13d
- Soft-Pillows - Amazon - PJ/GA Telezon - 1.13d
- AikaSumeragi - Assassin - Bowsin - 1.13d
- Kika - Assassin - Ghost - 1.13d
- LinaInverse - Assassin - Bombardier - 1.13d
- DoraTheExplorer - Barbarian - Telezerker - 1.13d
- Eikichi_Onizuka - Barbarian - Wolfbarb - 1.13d
- No-ExQQuses - Barbarian - BvA - 1.13d
- Pedobear - Druid - HLD Melee Mauler - 1.13d
- StickySplooge - Druid - Fury/Rabies - 1.13d
- YourMom - Druid - Shaman - 1.13d
- Boner_Boobies - Necromancer - Bonemancer - 1.13d
- HerpDerp_Herman - Necromancer - Lindwurm - 1.13d
- Rectal_Redeemer - Necromancer - Novamancer - 1.13d
- AnusOfJustice - Paladin - Telesmiter - 1.13d
- CAPTAINCAPLOCKS - Paladin - Charger - 1.13d
- WutWutInTheButt - Paladin - Templar/Mage - 1.13d
- Firecracker - Sorceress - Dual Dream Bearsorc - 1.13d
- Pwncone - Sorceress - FO/ES - 1.13d
- Pwnyta - Sorceress - Hydra/ES - 1.13d


Pyrohemia RS1 or RS3, UTC-5
HLD
- Assassin - Paladin - 1.13d
- BearChest - Amazon - 1.13d
- BeefEater - Barbarian - 1.13d
- Electra - Sorceress - 1.13d
- FluffyKitten - Barbarian - 1.13d
- Kricket - Paladin - 1.13d
- Loopy - Sorceress - 1.13d
- Sapphire - Sorceress - 1.13d
- Seigyoku - Amazon - 1.13d
HLD Melee-only
- Invader - Barbarian - 1.13d
LLD
- Cuppycake - Amazon - 1.13d
- Dreadnought - Paladin - 1.13d
- FozzieBear - Druid - 1.13d
- Moonshine - Sorceress - 1.13d
- Nightstalker - Assassin - 1.13d
- Splatter - Barbarian - 1.13d


treno RS1, UTC+2
HLD
- dindin - Paladin - V/T - 1.13d
HLD Melee-only
- smiter - Paladin - Zealot - 1.13d


zemaj RS0/1/2?, UTC-6
HLD
- zero_one - Paladin - Hammerdin - 1.13d
- Astra - Sorceress - Fireball - 1.13d
- Mort - Necromancer - Poison - 1.13d
- Osse - Druid - Windy - 1.13d
HLD Melee-only
- Quioxte - Barbarian - Whirly - 1.13d
LLD
- Briareos - Paladin - Hammer/Charge - 1.13d


For any update feel free to post, PM or VM me.

Links & History

PvP Weeks
#1 Official Thread #2 Official Thread #3 Official Thread - Match Reports #4 Official Thread #5 Official Thread - Match Reports #6 Official Thread - Match Reports #7 Official Thread - Match Reports #8 Official Thread - Match Reports


Other tournaments
PvP Ladder


Misc
colony’s PvP Guide - Previous PvP thread - PvP Week - The questions thread - LLD Item Guide version 1.0 - The ultimate PvP Guide. From Beginner to Ear Cutter.


Videos
Let's all gather posts with those awesome videos of SP PvPers
Shaella's double kill - by frozzzen

Screenshots
Let's all gather posts with those awesome screenshots of SP PvPers
Welcome - by Pyrohemia
Ears - by Gripphon
NulioRocks - by Gripphon

[janooo]

Adding my chars here:

janooo, RS2, UTC+1
- Insane - Barbarian - 1.13d - IR0
- Decay - Necromancer - 1.13d - IR1
- Reni - Assassin - 1.13d - IR1

[Pyrohemia]

Pyrohemia RS1 or RS3, UTC-5
I am IR0, 1.13d.

All of my characters are built for RS1, but I would love to try some GM teleportless dueling.

If you really want to be complete with the different rule sets, what about the melee-duels rule set?

Screenshots
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Here you go.

[nulio]

I also forgot LLD. I don't know much about LLD and melee-duels set. (I'll look for it later in the weekend).

Pyro pleeease list the characters

[bassano]

@pyro: if you want to play GM duels, letīs do GM duels, I think that it provide a lot of fun and GM tournament I played years ago was very nice and there was lot of fun but rules must be very ballanced like that time e.g. btw. most nice of that rules were: no items with runes higher then Vex, max 4-5 skillers in inventory and no mana potions

from my side, I would like to play PvP a lot to the future, I agree with nulio
during June I am going to move to new flat where my connection will be good and I will be able to play each day so it is good chance for me

I have lot of characters made for RS1 with IR1 restrictions but I can easily switch for IR2 items because I more agree with IR2 and unique item from IR1 I am possesing is 1.10s CtA but I have no problem with IR1 at all, not even big problems with IR0, it is your minus to have ATMA bugged items, at least I will be more cool to beat you without them
Another set of characters I have for PvP are my old good which are made for RS3

[darknessproz]

I also forgot LLD. I don't know much about LLD and melee-duels set. (I'll look for it later in the weekend).

Pyro pleeease list the characters

You should include level brackets as well. If there are a decent amount of LLD-ers amongst the SPF, i will build one to join in the fun. Never had much interest in HLD.

[Pyrohemia]

Pyro pleeease list the characters

Fine, I will share the secrets.

Pyrohemia RS1 or RS3, UTC-5
HLD:
Assassin - Paladin - 1.13d - IR0 / IR1 (can do either with normal gear)
BearChest - Amazon - 1.13d - IR0 (I would argue that she is actually IR1 as the ATMA bugged item is only used for casting werebear)
BeefEater - Barbarian - 1.13d - IR1
Electra - Sorceress - 1.13d - IR1
FluffyKitten - Barbarian - 1.13d - IR0
Kricket - Paladin - 1.13d - IR1
Loopy - Sorceress - 1.13d - IR1
Sapphire - Sorceress - 1.13d - IR1
Seigyoku - Amazon - 1.13d - IR1

HLD Melee-only:
Invader - Barbarian - 1.13d - IR1

LLD:
Cuppycake - Amazon - 1.13d - IR1
Dreadnought - Paladin - 1.13d - IR1
FozzieBear - Druid - 1.13d - IR1
Moonshine - Sorceress - 1.13d - IR2
Nightstalker - Assassin - 1.13d - IR2
Splatter - Barbarian - 1.13d - IR1

@pyro: if you want to play GM duels, letīs do GM duels, I think that it provide a lot of fun and GM tournament I played years ago was very nice and there was lot of fun but rules must be very ballanced like that time e.g. btw. most nice of that rules were: no items with runes higher then Vex, max 4-5 skillers in inventory and no mana potions

Having no runes above Vex would have been a budgetary restriction to expand the audience at a time when runes were very scarce. I don't think it serves as much benefit in the era of cheap runes. I guess that it would eliminate all of the powerful runewords, but then I would only have two characters that would work.
I'm game, though, lets go for it some time.

[bassano]

Having no runes above Vex would have been a budgetary restriction to expand the audience at a time when runes were very scarce. I don't think it serves as much benefit in the era of cheap runes. I guess that it would eliminate all of the powerful runewords, but then I would only have two characters that would work.
I'm game, though, lets go for it some time.

That rule is not made because someone have runes and someone not
That is better for have more ballance in duels because bowazon with faith? how it will be different from bowazon from classic BM? only character which will beat this will be smiter with grief and forti, and smiter will be unbeatable that is a problem
without CtA and without this runewords like grief and faith, ballance will be much more interesting

[Pyrohemia]

That rule is not made because someone have runes and someone not
That is better for have more ballance in duels because bowazon with faith? how it will be different from bowazon from classic BM? only character which will beat this will be smiter with grief and forti, and smiter will be unbeatable that is a problem
without CtA and without this runewords like grief and faith, ballance will be much more interesting

Removing CTA will just make duels faster as it will halve everyone's life. Longer duels have more strategy which should be encouraged.

I can see how smiters and bowazons would have a great and possibly insurmountable advantage in such a format, but wouldn't banning the skills smite and guided arrow be a much more appropriate fix? In the BM ruleset bowazons are a third-tier build in 1v1 but a first tier build in team games. With GM ruleset and no teleport they would become top tier 1v1, but that it much more a function of the how the skill guided arrow operates not a single piece of equipment. The same reasoning applies even more strongly to smite which is fundamentally a bugged and broken skill.

I think that the GM ruleset with the additional bannings of the skills guided arrow and smite is what would provide interesting balance to the duels.

[maxicek]

maxicek, RS1, UTC0


Amazon
Atalanta, Bowazon - 1.13d - IR1


Assassin
Trinity, Speederlander - 1.13d - IR1
Pris, WW Trap - 1.13d - IR1
Zhora, C/C Trapper - 1.13d - IR1
Ultraviolet, W/S Trapper - 1.13d - IR1
Karina, Kicker - 1.13d - IR1
Aeon_Flux, Ghost - 1.13d - IR1
Blaze, Firedancer - 1.13d - IR1
Obsidian, Whirlwind (melee duelling) - 1.13d - IR1
Ultima_II, Tiger Strike - 1.13d - IR1


Barbarian
The_Kurgan, BvA - 1.13d - IR1
Kastagir, BvB - 1.13d - IR1
Bane, BvC - 1.13d - IR0
Maugrim, Wolfbarb - 1.13d - IR1


Druid
Meliadus, Wolf - 1.13d - IR1
Boreas, Wind Druid - 1.13d - IR1


Necromancer
Yyrkoon, Bonemancer - 1.13d - IR1


Paladin
de_Carabas, Liberator - 1.13d - IR1
Inigo_Montoya, Smiter - 1.13d - IR0 (could go IR1 if required)
Morpheus, T/V - 1.13d - IR1
Ramirez, Charger - 1.13d - IR1
Kobaine, Zealot (melee duelling) - 1.13d - IR0 (could go IR1 if required)


Sorceress
Aurora, Fire - 1.13d - IR1
Serenity, Blizzard - 1.13d - IR1




Most of my characters could go IR2 if I made a 1.13d CtA.


Whilst I'm not really a fan of ATMA bugging (I have done it though) I don't think there should be a subset of rules that is unique to PvP when it comes to items. I don't really think IR1 should be considered, it is too confusing.


I'm open to a ruleset discussion, but I would like to know what specific problems that are seen with the current rules have before we rush into changing details. I'm adverse to anything that makes the rules more complicated. I don't want to be doing calculations in a Excel spreadsheet to work out how much resistance stack & absorb I am allowed.