Roles of Madness. Mafia Thread

[Gwaihir]

@Gwaihir - Are you informed who received a relic after you give it?

No, so far the only response I have received from a night action is the block on day 2.

[Laarz]

My understanding is nothing at all Goryani, any action is moved to a random player and I assume that separate actions by more than one persons would be moved to as many as targeted me. RE was less than forth coming to questions. Lynching may be the only way to confirm my role.

[Goryani]

How much do we trust CG?

If he's telling the truth about being the last mafia, then we should be looking to third parties (I refuse to call them neutral unless they can win while the town wins). But that would mean there were 5 mafia and among them were a framer/tailor, roleblocker/redirector, cupid, rolecop and passive hammer. There seem to be at least two and maybe three third party roles, including a SK. Up to 8 players not pro-town. At least 6 are very definitely anti-town. That still seems a bit low for the number of type of pro-town roles. Quite a few confusion causing roles though. This game is close to having lots of bus drivers (bus driver, Chaos Sorcerer, Martyr, Blessed Child) and other confusion inducing elements. It just so happened that they seemed to adversely affect mafia more than the town.

If he's lying, then why would CG give up like that? I have to assume it was purposeful. Two cops, a tracker/watcher and a role cop are quite the lie detectors. I have to think remaining mafia fit one of several scenarios:

• already been investigated with not-guilty result
• can't/won't be investigated
• can't/won't be tracked/watched
• won't be found obviously anti-town from a role swap
• has some wild role/ability like compulsion or shapeshift
• there is a massive disinformation campaign of which deceased is mafia and which aren't

Interestingly, Laarz claimed role fits each criteria. I looked back to see if Laarz was concerned with warning the town about his aversion to being targeted. I can find some questions if the role thief stole alignment, not just role. I can find a claim that the investigator was right (888). But I can't find any warnings that you might randomly throw off townie abilities.

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Summary of night actions and results

Paladin (day cop)
D1 - Laarz - innocent
D2 - coju - innocent
D3 - korialstraz - guilty
D4 - blocked
D5 - Sathoris - unknown
D6 - Gwaihir - unknown

Monk (night cop)
N1 - korialstraz - innocent
N2 - ???? - blocked
N3 - Valhauros - innocent
N4 - Caluin Graye - guilty
N5 - flubbucket - innocent

Pyro, BA, FoE, Gory and Loz have yet to be investigated by either cop.

Rogue (watcher/tracker)
N1 - track Goryani - no targets
N2 - track Gwaihir - blocked
N3 - track Gwaihir - targets Noodle
N4 - watch FoE - targeted by Sathoris, BA, Loz, CG
N5 - track Sathoris - targets Loz

Pyro, flubb and Laarz have claimed roles which don't have night actions. Laarz claims a role in which, even though he doesn't have a night action, it's possible to track him and get a result and also he can't be tracked as the target for aonyone else. coju, FoE and Gory have claimed roles which have night actions but have not been tracked yet.

Power Thief (role thief)
N1 - Goryani
N2 - Noodle - blocked
N3 - coju
N4 - nobody
N5 - nobody

Requiter (no common name I'm aware of)
N1 - Goryani
N2 - Valh - blocked
N3 - Valh
N4 - FoE
N5 - Loz

Faith healer (doc)
N1 - Loz
N2 - Goryani - blocked
N3 - Loz
N4 - FoE
N5 - ???? - probably should be kept secret

Missionary (third party passer of protective implements)
N1 - FoE
N2 - Valh - blocked
N3 - Noodle
N4 - flubb
N5 - Goryani

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The Requiter actions are the most striking. Targeting a claimed cop N1. Targeting a claimed bodyguard+sidekick N3 (who ended up dead). Targeting a claimed cop N4 (who mafia think was doc saved). Targeting a claimed doc N5 (who had a habit of self-targeting on odd nights).

Ankeli wasn't targeted despite claiming to have a non-mafia killing role. Gwaihir wasn't targeted despite being accused of being the SK. Both Ankleli and Gwaihir received votes and arguments they should be lynched, risking lynching a needed win condition because they could be night targeted.

The players who should have been targeted to fulfill the claimed "find the SK and vigi" win condition weren't targeted. Roles which are barriers to a SK win were targeted. instead.

[FredOfErik]

I still see no better option than lynching Sath.

And I eccho the idea of coju steeling laarz' role tonight.

[flubbucket]

Do you want your role stolen flub?

You mean my role there Fredtastic?? He still won't be able to claim, just verify what I've said thus far.

I still see no better option than lynching Sath.

And I eccho the idea of coju steeling laarz' role tonight.

But then I'll be a thief.

[Goryani]

You mean my role there Fredtastic?? He still won't be able to claim, just verify what I've said thus far.

If you no longer have the role, will you still be restricted from talking about it?

[flubbucket]

A defeated Caluin Graye walks to the townsfolk, offering his life, repenting for his sins by means of the sword. Dark roils of clouds and thunder plague the sky as the townsfolk, sure of an ulterior motive relecunatnly plunge a knife into his chest.

A scream from the heavens can be heard as the clouds dissipate and madness leaves the world.

Back in [i]the real world[/b] players high five each other saying the final boss was defeated, until one scrappy young man says

"If we defeated the final boss? Then why are we still playing?", back in character the look around puzzeled.

Night time you have 24 hours.

Caluin graye was lynched Orc Warrior (Passive hammer voter) Anti-town

The flavor of the story seems to point to the end of the mafia threat. The Dream God was only with the mafia correct??

How much do we trust CG?.

...Laarz may be a better choice...

Sorry TeamFred...Saw this my second read through

[FredOfErik]

Nope, glib, I was actually talking about this quote:

Laarz may be a better choice. The rolecop is the best way a single role can tell if targeting Laarz would result in redirection to someone else. Gwaihir can target Laarz and we can see who ends up with a holy relic but there is a chance FoE, flubb, or I get selected for redirection. Will we be notified we have a second? Uncertain. It's much easier to detect a role swap than a holy ward. Gwaihir or I can target Laarz and BA can track one of us to see is targeted but that uses multiple powers to gather intel on a single player

I sorta trust you. Even though your "claim" is weird to say the least. Maybe I just have a thing for elderly southern men.

[FredOfErik]

Ninja's by the man himself.

And yes, I interpreted the story the same way.

[flubbucket]

I would have to ask to be sure, but it seems obvious to me since it's not longer my role I'm no longer the keeper.