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    Why RMAH will kill Diablo 3 (and how to save it)

    I had heard on Blizzard inclusion of RMAH since it was first revealed on 1 July last year, and up until now I was indifferent to it and bought into Blizzard reasoning that they are merely cutting the middleman and the reality that there will always be people going to sell in-game goods for real money.

    Now let's examine this in today's environment. Diablo 2 glory days was in 2000s before the breakout success of WoW, which along with it sprouts the rise of big gold seller site like IGE. Since then they had expand to practically all online games where there is profit to be made and devaluing the game's currency along the way. Look at IGE page for SWTOR for example, they had way more currency than what's healthy for the economy.


    So what is this has to do with Diablo 3? Well RMAH gives this gold farmer direct access to their eager customers, not just for the sale of gold (which will happen RMAH or not) but also high end gears. Another big problem is that unlike all other MMO games, best level loot could drop practically anywhere outside the hardest area of the game, even with boss acting as a skill gate, dedicated farmers could simply farm a more boring area and breaking urns that although boring, but there still that chance on dropping the 1337 loot. And Another obvious difference from MMO is the lack of soulbind or item binding mechanic.


    Now takes a step back and combine all of that, direct access to sell actual loot, no binding even for the best possible gear, and possibility for mindless no-skilled farming to still obtain highest grade loot. What will happen?
    IMO worst scenario will be a few months down the road, thousands of commercial farmers will flood the RMAH not just for golds but also with best gears which they obtained not from player skills and clearing content, but from infinite patience. Gears will be severely undervalued (think like $3 for Windforce) and when everyone have cheap access to best gears there will be little incentive to continue item hunts and hence no reason to continue playing.


    Ironically, IMO the best way to solve this while still keeping RMAH is to simply go back to their WoW mechanic and introduce item binding... And there you go, no buying for level 60 gear, no item recyling to AH and hence more gold sink . Solved all these issues but unfortunately I don't think Blizzard will ever introduce item binding to Diablo III :(



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    Re: Why RMAH will kill Diablo 3 (and how to save it)

    Doom, doom, doom... *yawns*



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    Re: Why RMAH will kill Diablo 3 (and how to save it)

    As people on the 'markets' forum have theorised, Inferno / late Hell will be very hard. You shouldn't be able to mindlessly farm zones such as those - they will require focus to survive.

    As a result, gold farmers will stick to Mid-Hell and below, and while they may affect the 'commodities and gold market' (I'm just like copy-pasting what I heard the folks in that other forum say :P), they shouldn't affect the endgame item market that much.

    As Blizzard has said, they imagine real-money transaction for gold to be inevitable - even WITHOUT the RMAH. As such, the RMAH isn't there to prevent real-money-for-gold, but to do so in an environment where customers can't get scammed. It should be win-win for everyone.



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    Re: Why RMAH will kill Diablo 3 (and how to save it)

    The only aspect of the RMAH I don't like is that no legit player will ever get their hands on a full end game set without reaching into his wallet. I find that a super-turnoff.

    Unless ofcourse you are again super lucky, but if the item system somewhat resembles the d2 randomization, you won't be getting your gear without trading.




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    Re: Why RMAH will kill Diablo 3 (and how to save it)

    The drop rates for these items are going to be so incredibly low on urns and random mobs that it will be (as many have said) like "making a living off the lottery - from what I've seen Hell is no walk in the park either and in order to get it on farm status you'd have to be inferno geared, if you look at gold farmers from wow they didn't exactly devote themselves to their characters.

    Also a lot of people have spoken about the idea of a glut and that everything should be BoE, but it runs on this bizarre assumption that every item in D3 is a tampon: good for a day then you flush it down the toilet. This is just unrealistic, it will take a long time for hell and inferno gear to build up to the point where everyone has it, if ever and they fully intend to release further expansions which will most likely raise the level cap and add new gear.



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    Re: Why RMAH will kill Diablo 3 (and how to save it)

    Quote Originally Posted by ael View Post
    The only aspect of the RMAH I don't like is that no legit player will ever get their hands on a full end game set without reaching into his wallet. I find that a super-turnoff.

    Unless ofcourse you are again super lucky, but if the item system somewhat resembles the d2 randomization, you won't be getting your gear without trading.
    What constitutes a legit player? - if you spend 100 game hours grinding for your 'Axe of i got shafted by blizzard' you can sell the stuff you picked up on the RMAH and use the cash you made from that to buy your axe... How is that any different from grinding for hours then swapping a bunch of SoJ's for your new gear?



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    Re: Why RMAH will kill Diablo 3 (and how to save it)

    Quote Originally Posted by ael View Post
    The only aspect of the RMAH I don't like is that no legit player will ever get their hands on a full end game set without reaching into his wallet. I find that a super-turnoff.

    Unless ofcourse you are again super lucky, but if the item system somewhat resembles the d2 randomization, you won't be getting your gear without trading.
    How can you be so sure of this? You don't know how long people will be playing, and it is pure assumption that everyone will buy gear.

    Beyond that, if there was no RMAH, how are legit players supposed to get full sets? Would they not still be trading? The items still have to be found, and the only difference is that some of the trades will involve real money.

    There isn't anything wrong with trading; in a game designed around random loot, it should be a goal, not a taboo activity, unless you just don't want to, and that is a personal choice. If I am lucky enough to find two IK chest armors, and I need/want the helm or boots for the set, of course I am going to trade.

    I will never need to take money from my wallet; I will sell excess items and build up my account, and use those funds, with no cash trading hands, or the GAH if it makes more sense. Again, these are all personal choices people make.




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    Re: Why RMAH will kill Diablo 3 (and how to save it)

    Quote Originally Posted by skien View Post
    The drop rates for these items are going to be so incredibly low on urns and random mobs that it will be (as many have said) like "making a living off the lottery - from what I've seen Hell is no walk in the park either and in order to get it on farm status you'd have to be inferno geared, if you look at gold farmers from wow they didn't exactly devote themselves to their characters.

    Also a lot of people have spoken about the idea of a glut and that everything should be BoE, but it runs on this bizarre assumption that every item in D3 is a tampon: good for a day then you flush it down the toilet. This is just unrealistic, it will take a long time for hell and inferno gear to build up to the point where everyone has it, if ever and they fully intend to release further expansions which will most likely raise the level cap and add new gear.

    I had thought about the skill-gate in Inferno (or even hell) that stops mindless players from farming the zone, but then again we had also heard that we can gain those gears from late hell act or from early act 1 randomly (kicking urn etc.). Yes the chance is low to compensate for that, but which outcome you think is better for the game?

    1) That the chance for random godly drop is so low that even a dedicated farming company with 50 PCs running for 18 hours/day at the same time cannot obtain a single godly gear from random urn kicking ---> no point for a player to even kick a single urn ever as your chance is as likely as getting a Zod in D2.

    2) Or, that even though it's still small it's still can be expected that a casual player running in early inferno could rarely get that random godly drop from an urn, hence keeping the gameplay exciting ---> but that farming company for sure is going to make a killing on random legendary drop, after all the power of luck from a single 'normal' player playing on reasonable hours is no match for the luck of 50 accounts running for 18 hours daily...

    Sorry but to me neither outcome is good for this game. I really think soulbind in WoW was a big improvement over D2 system of item recyling and trickling down, and we still need that gold sink right?



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    Re: Why RMAH will kill Diablo 3 (and how to save it)

    bots are biggest threat imo, and they will work, as they work in world of warcraft unfortunately



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    Re: Why RMAH will kill Diablo 3 (and how to save it)

    Quote Originally Posted by Crudesash68 View Post
    I will never need to take money from my wallet; I will sell excess items and build up my account, and use those funds, with no cash trading hands, or the GAH if it makes more sense. Again, these are all personal choices people make.

    Yes you can simply ignore RMAH if you don't like it, all true. But try imagine this scenario that might happen someday:


    **you login to your character, you're a reasonable skilled player but recently you're stuck on act 2 Inferno due to no small part to the fact that you haven't upgraded your sword since act 3 hell..
    Now you can as usual go through and farm act 1 inferno or act 4 hell again OR open RMAH and drop $3 for the best legendary tier-16 sword with the best mod that only has reasonable chance to drop from inferno act 4 boss**


    Honestly, which is more option is more tempting? which option is most players more likely to choose? which option is more likely to be boring after a while? which option is more likely to kill the game longetivity?


    Yes, as a single individual you can simply ignore RMAH, but I'm concerned for the larger and healthy playerbase, without those big numbers of players support for Diablo 3 from Blizzard would also dwindle over time and nothing good could come from a dying population in any game...



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