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    IncGamers Member Spankeh's Avatar
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    Re: Grief/Grief vs Grief/Beast vs Grief/Death etc

    Now do yr tests again with Laying Of Hands gloves and a 15%IAS jewel in arreats.
    This will now boost most of those weapon combos that are below 5fps, up to 5fps.



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    Re: Grief/Grief vs Grief/Beast vs Grief/Death etc

    Sure, for most of them, but you cannot reach 5fps with grief/death even with LOH and a 15IAS jool.
    Furthermore, the choice of LOH instead of Dracul's Grip opens a new issue in terms of goal in the game : ubering or mob killing or maybe mfing. And we should ask ourselves the fundamental question before constructing any build, what is it made for !

    Back to the question from saphodbrx, the best combination between grief/beast, death/beast, grief/death is : grief/beast. Imho, I think CB is irrelevant when you only crash mobs because you kill them too quickly to see a difference with a CB combo.
    Considering Death Cleaver, Grief have an advantage which is "ignore defense" ; all the stats we produced assumed the fact that all weapons hit targets with the same probability, which is not true in the game.


    So long !



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    Re: Grief/Grief vs Grief/Beast vs Grief/Death etc

    What did you use to calculate attack rate? Titanseal's current calc is pretty far off right now, though it's largely thanks to him that we actually do know what's going on. Read more here.

    My 2c: For anything other than Ubers it's hard to make a case against Grief PBs. 30 IAS Grief PBs with 35 more IAS off-weapon swing at 6 FPA with the very first Frenzy hit, and out-damages all the other options (you can't make up the deficit with ED from +str and Fanat in any case). CB is nice to have but doesn't compete with straight damage for general area clearing, and you should already have at least 75% crit so the extra on Death doesn't make that big a difference either. In uberland you can definitely make a case for Beast and especially Death as it allows you some freedom with your other gear and choosing bases for you weaps. I fail to see the point to BotD unless you're making a titan barb or refuse to use war cries or something.



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    Re: Grief/Grief vs Grief/Beast vs Grief/Death etc

    I used this for attack rate
    http://diablo2.ingame.de/tips/calcs/...lc_english.php
    Titanseal version 3



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    Re: Grief/Grief vs Grief/Beast vs Grief/Death etc

    Okay I need some help.
    I respeced my second barb to use swords with frenzy. Since I'm still waiting on the runes for 'Death', I decided to go with Grief/Oath. The problem is, it didn't seem to work. I kept getting pwned in the chaos sanctuary even on p1.

    I then swapped out the oath for a lawbringer phase blade. Wow. It was amazing. I could do chaos sanctuary on p5 with no problem at all.
    I know LB is great due to the sanctuary aura and ctc decrepify, but it isn't that good. I mean, it like doesn't do any damage.

    Is it because of range differences? My Oath is in a balrog blade with range 3. I remember reading something about range differences causing problems. I had 'Grief' in the mainhand weapon. Was it not hitting anything? Or was the Oath not hitting anything? What the f is going on here?



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    Re: Grief/Grief vs Grief/Beast vs Grief/Death etc

    No. it's because of the sanct aura and decrep. It makes you a lot less vulnarable and ~doubles the effectiveness of your Grief.




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    Re: Grief/Grief vs Grief/Beast vs Grief/Death etc

    naw, it can't be just that.
    My merc had a reaper anyway, so decrepify isn't much of a difference.
    Sanctuary only works against undead. Grief/LB was much better than grief/oath even against demons.



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    Re: Grief/Grief vs Grief/Beast vs Grief/Death etc

    Ok, then not.




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    Re: Grief/Grief vs Grief/Beast vs Grief/Death etc

    Quote Originally Posted by zaphodbrx View Post
    naw, it can't be just that.
    My merc had a reaper anyway, so decrepify isn't much of a difference.
    Sanctuary only works against undead. Grief/LB was much better than grief/oath even against demons.
    You don't think that having the ctc decrip on LB as well maybe means it procs more often and where you need it?

    It could also be that the BB slows you down. Since Frenzy doesn't just average WSMs (right minus left WSM is also used) having a slower base in the right* slot really slows you down: Just swapping the BB and PB around takes you from 15 to 12 frames at the first swing (before Frenzy starts charging up).

    Onderduiker did tests that showed that weapon range for both is determined by the primary weapon only, so it's not that.


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    Re: Grief/Grief vs Grief/Beast vs Grief/Death etc

    So there's no downside to using weapons with different range? It works fine?



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