Random Tournament 2012

[kestegs]

You can have any merc you want but only rolled weapons/armors can be equipped on him.

Grisu just said that as long as he can't use any of my types that he can use anything, which one is it? :P

[Grisu]

Also, I understand pretty much nothing from this section:

RANDOM CHARACTER RULES: Unless specified to not include, an Amazon rolled gets: Bow, Javelin and possibly Spear depending on Class one. Necromancer gets a Wandx2 and other random, Sorceress gets Orbx2, Staff x2, Paladin gets Scepter(can possibly be x2 if it rolls to be the multi one) Assassin gets Claw x2.

this is only meant for completely random characters. Some people wanted to have a completely random char the last few tourneys. i.e. a random character class with random weapon choices. So unless you want such a completely random character, you can ignore this section It's a bit confusing though.

What the 'multi one'?

if you roll a completely random character for someone, you have to roll the weapon types, too. Since normally one can choose 3 rolls from 2 different weapon types, if you roll the weapons randomly, one weapon type has to be the one with 2 rolls in it (that's what Vang means by multi IIUC), the other with one roll. Again, it only matters if you roll a random character for someone else.

What´s a 'Random' character anyway?

Random class with random weapon choices instead of the player choosing class and weapon types.

Am I expected to go back to the earlier threads and find these answers there?

Hope you don't have to anymore after my answers

Grisu, what´s this about additional class weapons for Assassin/Amazon/Sorceress?

It's not really an additional weapon. It's something missing in the 2010 and 2012 rules: Every character gets a random roll on their class items. Since it's Katars for Assassins, Orbs for Sorceresses and Amazon Bows/Javelins/Spears for Amazons, they practically have one more weapon at their disposal.

In Vang´s example barb, were the barb-specific helms included in the roll for helm type (the roll that ended with Skull Cap)? Or is a barb helm rolled as an extra (but he just forgot to include that in the example)?

Good catch! I think Vang simply forgot the class-specific items when writing the example...Vang?

Will a Paladin get a Pally-specific shield type rolled? Or two? And what if I prefer regular shields instead (since they can be shopped/gambled)? Can I get a Barb helm roll (for my merc) even if I am a Paladin?

Paladins will get one Paladin Shield roll and one normal shield roll. Only Barbs get a Barb helmet roll, no other character. Else you would have to roll random items for each merc and that would be even more confusing...

I feel so confused. And stupid...

I agree with you about some confusing ruling and feel only less confused because this is the 4th Random tourney I participate in. Some clarifications or simplifications (esp. considering weapon choice) would be good, I guess

And a last question: Are all skill charges allowed for use?

They were last tournament.

[Grisu]

You can have any merc you want but only rolled weapons/armors can be equipped on him.

Incorrect:

8. Any merc allowed. They must use your Armor, Helm, Shield, and Weapon if able(So act 3 Mercenary will use your shield type and sword type if you got swords)

They have to use them if able - if they're not able, they're not limited. Of course, this only matters for weapons, because all mercs can use all armors and helmets and shields. But if your character has Scepters and Wands, your mercs can use every weapon. At least it was that way the last 4 tournaments IIRC.

So if the class-specific item type is not a weapon, it´s 3 weapon types we get (where two of them is of the same main type)?

Correct

EDIT @Vang: I hope my interpretations are correct and I'm not overstepping my/your territory! I took the liberty to answer the questions because I know a lot of these questions and answers from your last tourneys! If you want to take care of the questions yourself to avoid confusion, feel free to say!

[Vang]

Spoiler

Also, I understand pretty much nothing from this section:

RANDOM CHARACTER RULES: Unless specified to not include, an Amazon rolled gets: Bow, Javelin and possibly Spear depending on Class one. Necromancer gets a Wandx2 and other random, Sorceress gets Orbx2, Staff x2, Paladin gets Scepter(can possibly be x2 if it rolls to be the multi one) Assassin gets Claw x2.

What the 'multi one'?
What´s a 'Random' character anyway?
Am I expected to go back to the earlier threads and find these answers there?

Random characters are just a random class chosen and random weapons chosen except in the above cases, unless you decide to randomize those as well(Before it use to be total random weapons, but trial and error showed giving each class their specific weapon types work the best) So basically, you say you want a random character following the above weapon rules.(*You do have the option of stated what weapons per class you'd prefer, as some have done that in the past and not gone of the random weapons auto choices)

Spoiler

Roll a random 1-7 for class(for example, you get a 3 and thats necromancer)
Then roll for the forever and normal set of skills
Next follow the weapon rules for necromancer, so 2 wands get rolled(1-4 x2, reroll if you get the same)
Then a 1-12 for the next weapon type, then randomize the actual item)
Same for equipment.

Grisu, what´s this about additional class weapons for Assassin/Amazon/Sorceress?

Each of those classes will get four weapons by default since their class specific is a weapon class. You can for example take an Assassin using spears and throwing weapons x2 and get a class specific weapon as well. Normally people split it though

Vang, with your example barb, were the barb-specific helms included in the roll for helm type (the roll that ended with Skull Cap)? Or is a barb helm rolled as an extra (but you just forgot to include that in the example)?

I'll go fix that if I didn't roll the example a helm. But yes, you roll it seperate, so a barbarian gets two helm choices.

Will a Paladin get a Pally-specific shield type rolled? Or two? And what if I prefer regular shields instead (since they can be shopped/gambled)? Can I get a barb helm roll for my merc if I am a Paladin and decide to go helmless myself?

You would get a paladin specific and a normal shield as well. No to the barbarian helm question, he would have to wear whatever helm you get.

I feel so confused. And stupid...


And a last question: Are all skill charges allowed for use?

Don't worry, its a different kind of tournament, and I don't think you've been in one of them since I've been hosting. Confusing for a lot of people.

Yes, skill charges are allowed to be used. This helps makeup for the lack of solid skills/synergy bonuses (for example a sorceress might want wands to possibly get lower resist charges)

Owned by Grisu, nope your good on the answers, feel free at anytime. This is a community effort.

[zgpmf]

Incorrect:

They have to use them if able - if they're not able, they're not limited. Of course, this only matters for weapons, because all mercs can use all armors and helmets and shields. But if your character has Scepters and Wands, your mercs can use every weapon. At least it was that way the last 4 tournaments IIRC.

I see, I thought if I don't have rolled spear/polearm type of weapon my act2 merc isn't allowed to use any weapon.
Kestegs, sorry for bad info.:P

[jiansonz]

Thanks all, I understand much better now!

Please roll me a Paladin with Polearm x2 and Javelin.

[Grisu]

Alright, I'll take a Druid with (2) maces and (1) sword roll.

I'm a bit confused on the merc, do I have to pick that to be rolled or can I use any one that I want?

You can use every merc of course. The barb and Act 3 merc have to use the same sword type as you though.


kesteg's Druid

Forever Skills:
Hurricane
Shock Wave --> Fissure
Heart of Wolverine

Normal Skills:
Hunger
Summon Spirit Wolf
Summon Grizzly
Molten Boulder
Twister

Armor:
Light Armor
Skull Cap
Light Gauntlets
Sash --> Light Belt
Boots
Kite Shield
Hawk Helm

Weapons:
War Hammer
Great Maul
Giant Sword --> Crystal Sword

Err...yes...no... bad luck really on the roll there, I guess, although I don't know very much about Druids...
Any rerolls? Want to lock a Normal skill forever?

[Grisu]

Thanks all, I understand much better now!

Please roll me a Paladin with Polearm x2 and Javelin.

I'm already at it - but you know my luck with the die! (see kestegs, logoutzero...)

jiansonz's Paladin

Forever Skills:
Conversion
Conviction
Defiance --> Concentration

Normal Skills:
Vengeance
Prayer
Holy Bolt
Blessed Aim
Sanctuary

Armor:
Light Armor
Great Helm
Leather Gloves
Plated Belt
Greaves
Gothic Shield
Aerin Shield

Weapons:
Poleaxe
Halberd
Glaive --> Javelin

That's going to be interesting...ahem. Except for Vengenace, Conviction and Conversion there isn't that much firepower in that roll, I guess...

Any rerolls or locking a normal skill forever?

[kestegs]

That is a bit of suck.

I think I'll reroll:

Shockwave, Looks like I have a stronger showing in the elemental skills.

Giant sword, 1H please!

and..

Sash, 2 slots through normal sucks. Thought about the skull cap, but with druid helms it's not so important.

[Vang]

@kestegs

Forever: fissure
Sword: Crystal Sword
Belt: Light Belt(still two slots :/ )