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    Re: pure light mf

    Quote Originally Posted by hubb View Post
    20 Ice Blast
    20 Blizz
    1 CM
    20 Ligthning
    20 CL
    rest LM/synergies

    Knocks the socks off any Orb build ;D
    Curious, do you end up using Ice Blast to fight in hell games, or is it just there as a synergy for Blizzard?



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    Re: pure light mf

    Quote Originally Posted by gakky View Post
    Yes for pure damage. But I have runs I had to abandon due to unbreakable immunity + PI in a seal champion.
    And on the way to baal you often get unbreakable groups you have to skip over which I really hate, occasionally too on river of flame.
    fire/orb can kill anything with merc as backup in the extreme case of dual unbreakable. Heck even without Infinity fire/orb kills everything.
    I won't be able to pump it up to the power of pure lightning, but I might be able to make it close enough to make it worth it. Fire/orb is much hardier, and carries a lot more mf. so "do as well' is not a very descriptive target. I think I mean hunt items/runes and not die as fast as possible.
    Well, I'm considering a dual build.

    Because it allows me to use Doom. With a Defiance merc, you got both Defiance and Holyfreeze. It also allows me to sue Chilling armor instead of frozen armor which improves defense even further. Well to be honest I actually already tried this, and the killspeed was slow as hell.



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    Re: pure light mf

    Quote Originally Posted by diabloplayer45 View Post
    Well, I'm considering a dual build.

    Because it allows me to use Doom. With a Defiance merc, you got both Defiance and Holyfreeze. It also allows me to sue Chilling armor instead of frozen armor which improves defense even further. Well to be honest I actually already tried this, and the killspeed was slow as hell.
    Infinity on merc really has no good alternative. Was that dual lightning/cold ? I think that would make lightning too weak, fireball/orb will be better in any dual build.
    Lightning has the huge advantage that all lightning immune packs are breakable, and there are no lightning immunes in baal minion waves. There are plenty of unbreakable cold and fire immunes in both chaos and throne of destruction.



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    Re: pure light mf

    Yeah I tried a cold/fire build, with Forb being my main skill and fireball the other, it was too weak without Infinity, the killspeed was insanely slow compared to pure lightning so i switched back, imo pure lightning is the ebst in terms of killspeed, I'd never change back again unless of course that I couldn't afford infinity. Full tals is cheap, what costs with this build is p-spirit, infinity and efort, the rest of the items are highly affordable.



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    Re: pure light mf

    Quote Originally Posted by Tbone View Post
    Curious, do you end up using Ice Blast to fight in hell games, or is it just there as a synergy for Blizzard?
    Yep, Ice Blast is pretty much a necessity for the single monsters that are hard to hit with Blizz, and spamming that in between Blizz casts makes a huge differences against bosses and the like.

    @diabloplayer: Playing a dual-tree build without Infi and expecting it to be comparable to any build with it is very silly.



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    Re: pure light mf

    Hmm gheeds. Thinking of junking them. Crunching the numbers, even a plain light GC adds more than a perfect gheeds. If I want the MF, replace CoH with Enigma, adds 70MF. For resists, tri resist boots (45FRW from Enigma makes this easier), or aldurs, and occy (+2/10ammy) or hoto resists become maxed.



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    Re: pure light mf

    Quote Originally Posted by gakky View Post
    Hmm gheeds. Thinking of junking them. Crunching the numbers, even a plain light GC adds more than a perfect gheeds. If I want the MF, replace CoH with Enigma, adds 70MF. For resists, tri resist boots (45FRW from Enigma makes this easier), or aldurs, and occy (+2/10ammy) or hoto resists become maxed.
    For the space it takes up, gheed's is easy mf/gf. Not to mention the vendor bonus helps when gambling. I've never needed so many gcs on a pvm sorc that I felt the urge to throw it out.



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    Re: pure light mf

    Quote Originally Posted by Karth View Post
    For the space it takes up, gheed's is easy mf/gf. Not to mention the vendor bonus helps when gambling. I've never needed so many gcs on a pvm sorc that I felt the urge to throw it out.
    Yeah, I'm with you on this. MF is actually the least important thing about gheeds to me. Gold find and reducing vendor prices are both huge benefits to gambling over the long haul. And gambling for rare rings and rare amulets are really where it's at as far as I'm concerned. Or even if you're crafting amulets it helps because you'll be best off gambling for the amulets you're going to craft. Again, gold find and reduced vendor prices keep this at a high level as well.



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    Re: pure light mf

    For the gold find makes sense. But for vendor you would keep it in the stash or on another character wouldn't you ? You have to go to your stash to get your Edge bow anyway.



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    Re: pure light mf

    Quote Originally Posted by hubb View Post
    Yep, Ice Blast is pretty much a necessity for the single monsters that are hard to hit with Blizz, and spamming that in between Blizz casts makes a huge differences against bosses and the like.

    @diabloplayer: Playing a dual-tree build without Infi and expecting it to be comparable to any build with it is very silly.
    Even with Infinity it still sucks compared to pure lightning.



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