The Greatest Depression

**jmervyn** · 12-01-2012, 16:58

Originally Posted by krischan

Four horsemen, a great two-word version of my point of view regarding what will resolve population problems if we don't do it ourselves in a civilized manner

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It is, isn't it? If you think about it, Europe is already resolving these problems as fast as possible in a civilized manner - the question is, what does that future hold with open immigration and lack of cultural assimilation?

Originally Posted by krischan

I don't know many families with 5 or more children, but there are a few.

A few you know personally, or a few you've read about in Stern? Point is, compare the rate with that 60 years ago when lebensraum was the catchphrase. You're on the receiving end of such logic now.

Originally Posted by krischan

Regarding the expected number of muslims here, the number of children isn't tied to religion that closely.

You wish.

Originally Posted by krischan

The amount of children is often a consequence of wealth and safety. If you are well off and you live in safe conditions, e.g. with a pension system which people put trust into, you won't need children that much in order to survive when you are old.

You make Steyn's point yet again. Why the hell should aspiring young Shi'ite wife-abusing males consider giving up a significant portion of their income to maintain you in your toothless dotage? Particularly when they despise you, your sexual and cultural mores, and pretty much anything about you that comes to mind (particularly given German official sensibilities about da J00z, when they openly admire the more "traditional" German view)?

Originally Posted by krischan

Likewise, the amount of religious faith is influenced by wealth. If you are well off and well informed, you are less likely to take things literally which were reasonable conventions or a good approximation of nature 2000 years ago, but outright silly nowadays, and you also have to worry about the four horsemento a far lesser extent.

Steyn, yet again. Sophisticates in the Arab worlds aren't liberal, but rather cynical. They don't seek to lead their culture out of barbarism, but either to profit in it or escape from it.

Your rosy belief in reform is laughed at by those in the totalitarian Arab culture whose personal benefit you would deny. If it's amazing what you can do with an angry German populace 70 years ago within the confines of Western law and cultural tradition, just imagine what you can do with a barely literate, conspiracy-minded, paranoid culture full of repressed homosexuality, pedophilia, and misogyny?

**Technomancer** · 13-01-2012, 00:36

Originally Posted by jmervyn

just imagine what you can do with a barely literate, conspiracy-minded, paranoid culture full of repressed homosexuality, pedophilia, and misogyny?

Are you talking about the Arab Right or the American Right?

*runs away*

**stillman** · 13-01-2012, 01:38

^Ah ha ha.

Regarding Krischan's horsemen, I figure it will be more like if they lost their horses. That is, things will continue to go down the crapper in the slow, gradual way as opposed to some catastrophic event. It will be one bubble bursting at a time, taxes going up slowly, freedoms lost one by one, another little war or two here and there, etc.

Which means I have to pay back the rest of my student loan.

**SaroDarksbane** · 13-01-2012, 04:03

Originally Posted by technomancer

are you talking about the arab right or the american right?

Oh SNAP!

**krischan** · 13-01-2012, 10:41

Originally Posted by jmervyn

A few you know personally, or a few you've read about in Stern? Point is, compare the rate with that 60 years ago when lebensraum was the catchphrase. You're on the receiving end of such logic now.

If it's amazing what you can do with an angry German populace 70 years ago within the confines of Western law and cultural tradition

We just haven't become angry again so far

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just imagine what you can do with a barely literate, conspiracy-minded, paranoid culture full of repressed homosexuality, pedophilia, and misogyny?

I agree that it's a more serious issue in Muslim societies, I didn't deny that. I just don't care which kind of people might live in Germany if no Germans are left anyway.

BTW, Germany has laws which allow anybody with German ancestors to immigrate and become citizens. I'm not sure about details, but it might mean that about 80% of all North Americans would have a right to do that, it's just a matter of finding a proof in the registry office, church recordings or whatever. If you want to prevent civilization being swarmed by barbarians, come back to the land of your ancestors

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**SaroDarksbane** · 13-01-2012, 22:19

France and Austria dropped one notch to AA+.
Italy dropped two notches to BBB+.
Portugal dropped to junk status.

Once they're all at junk, the S&P will finally have caught up to what they're really worth.

**Technomancer** · 14-01-2012, 08:27

Originally Posted by krischan

BTW, Germany has laws which allow anybody with German ancestors to immigrate and become citizens. I'm not sure about details, but it might mean that about 80% of all North Americans would have a right to do that, it's just a matter of finding a proof in the registry office, church recordings or whatever. If you want to prevent civilization being swarmed by barbarians, come back to the land of your ancestors

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Haha, this reminds me of something. My family always thought our last name was French (egads!) but some of the folks doing genealogy in our family finally tracked it back, and it's German.

Of course, our original ancestor from which the name comes came over before the American Revolution and had 3 sons, all of whom fought in the Revolution and survived. So, I guess I could become a German, but since we helped create the country, I think I'll stay.