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    Re: Occupy OTF

    I'm not sure all the occupiers would agree with your graphic. Sure there's polotical groups trying to co-opt the Occupy movement--just like the group that ruined the Tea Party for me. Once the social conservatives came, the tea party turned into a branch of the GOP. That's when everyone stopped paying attention, because that's not what it was all about.

    Similiarly, if the Dems co-opt the occupy movement and make it about some union agenda or whatever they're trying to make it, it'll fizzle the whole movement. That's why these things never work. no change can happen when all the sudden it becomes some partisan issue.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevinator View Post
    I'm not sure all the occupiers would agree with your graphic.
    Well, duh. People don't like truth, or sunlight.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevinator View Post
    Sure there's polotical groups trying to co-opt the Occupy movement--just like the group that ruined the Tea Party for me. Once the social conservatives came, the tea party turned into a branch of the GOP.
    The difference is that OWS was authored, rather than co-opted, by ACORN/SEIU/Soros et. al. They are what they were always intended to be. The TEA Party is decentralized, but their overriding theme isn't one that is easily co-opted. Furthermore, they're actually non-violent, in contrast to the OWS filth, and the media is going to have a hell of a time trying to continue misrepresenting <THAT>... no matter how many NPR staffers are members.

    Incidentally, what group do you claim ruined the TEA Party for you? Did it contain Dick Armey or Bill Bennet? Because as far as I've seen, they may have the funding but at best they're able to provide megaphones & buses. Michelle Bachmann is being discredited because of her attempt to claim the TEA Party Queen crown, as were Christine O'Donnell and a few others.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevinator View Post
    Similiarly, if the Dems co-opt the occupy movement and make it about some union agenda or whatever they're trying to make it, it'll fizzle the whole movement.
    You really <don't> know about OWS, I take it? The supposedly spontaneous, organic aspect is a cheap facade. The hilarity is that amidst all the Socialist sponsorship, an organic movement really has taken root, and the OWS types are apparently immune to irony.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stevinator View Post
    That's why these things never work. no change can happen when all the sudden it becomes some partisan issue.
    When your originating themes basically consist of "BREAK THE SYSTEM! EAT THE RICH! OBAMA 2012!!" then how can you even imagine that there wasn't partisan intent from inception?




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    Re: Occupy OTF

    Quote Originally Posted by krischan View Post
    Who said what?

    a) "100 fools aren't smarter than one fool"
    b) "Make things as simple as possible, but not too simple"
    c) "The die has been thrown" (things are in motion now, inevitably) <-- easy one
    d) "If people knew how sausages and laws are made, they couldn't sleep anymore"

    1) Einstein
    2) Bismarck
    3) Caesar
    4) Hitler
    Nobody knows? Nobody even gives it a try?

    It was a riddle BTW, it's not that the first cite is from the first guy, the second from the second one etc. I think I already used a few of them before.



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    Quote Originally Posted by krischan View Post
    Nobody knows? Nobody even gives it a try?
    Oh, sorry. I just got back from lunch, so I'll use post-gorge sleepiness as my excuse.
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    Re: Occupy OTF

    Almost correct

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    Re: Occupy OTF

    Quote Originally Posted by jmervyn View Post
    EDIT - Here's a nice graphic examination in the bargain...
    That is a great graphic, but only for some (most?) of the protesters.

    Steve isn't wrong; there are libertarians there too, protesting the fed and the crony corporatism that passes for "capitalism" these days.



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    Re: Occupy OTF

    I like my Corporate employers but the Governments squeezing them too.
    Hard to be Capitalist with the Capital markets the way they are.

    Not to mention the problems in communication and transport tax and regulation vs real infrastructure spending.

    And all the stupid WARS.

    They need to demand peace and cuts to war spending.



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    Quote Originally Posted by krischan View Post
    Nobody knows? Nobody even gives it a try?

    It was a riddle BTW, it's not that the first cite is from the first guy, the second from the second one etc. I think I already used a few of them before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SaroDarksbane View Post
    That is a great graphic, but only for some (most?) of the protesters.
    Most, at the start. What's side-splitting-ly hilarious is what is happening to the population as the protests evolve... the so-called "99%" as a sum of all protest locations used to be probably 40% squishy socialists, 35% violent communists, and the remaining 25% were assorted moonbats. NOW polling at the various places indicates they're probably 65% violent communists, 15% squishy socialists (the bravest ones), 10% homeless, and 10% moonbats. Of course, the media is desperately trying to continue misrepresenting the movement as legitimate and mainstream, or at least something to be "understood"...
    Quote Originally Posted by SaroDarksbane View Post
    Steve isn't wrong; there are libertarians there too, protesting the fed and the crony corporatism that passes for "capitalism" these days.
    With good reason; there's a few left-libertarians just like there are a majority of right-libertarians; people can achieve some very strange logic (such as anarcho-communists). But they're very strange bedfellows with the vast bulk of the Occupiers - hopefully they can find common ground with the illegal aliens that ACORN is paying to carry placards.

    EDIT - Are You Smarter Than a Wall Street Occupier?
    Quote Originally Posted by BobCox2 View Post
    Hard to be Capitalist with the Capital markets the way they are.
    Not at all. The problem is that for several (many?) decades the Gov't has been corporatist, rather than capitalist - and these vile punks are pro-Gov't and pro-Communist. Regulation hurts capitalism, but nowhere near as much as the Gov't playing favorites. That's why OWS has no legitimacy; they recognize the conflagration and demand the solution is more flammable material.
    Quote Originally Posted by BobCox2 View Post
    Not to mention the problems in communication and transport tax and regulation vs real infrastructure spending.
    Uh, you mean the "shovel ready jobs" which THE ONE admitted lying openly about, and then made jokes about? Well, the infrastructure really isn't as bad as we like to think it is; there's just so many 'provincial' Americans that they don't know what bad infrastructure really is.
    Quote Originally Posted by BobCox2 View Post
    They need to demand peace and cuts to war spending.
    Sorry, Bob, but that's not legitimate (to say nothing of the juvenile belief in demanding peace). The only thing that the U.S. can pride itself on is the efficacy of the U.S. Armed Forces; no country is even close at this point. The issue isn't 'war spending', but how the money is spent. Billions go missing, billions more vanish through corporate favoritism, and the "Military-Industrial Complex" canard is actually an exhibition in inefficiency.

    Someone on here is/was a defense contractor; I suspect they have as many stories of inefficiency and waste/fraud/abuse as I do. The problem is our methodology, but it still out-performs that of many other countries. Take a look at some of the scandals with Britain and Canada if you really want to see how a socialist-style procurement system works. Hint - it doesn't.



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    Re: Occupy OTF

    The OWS protests remind me a bit of a text line of the Sex Pistols: "I don't know what I want, but I know how to get it."

    I'm a bit torn whether I find that good or bad, as good or bad could evolve from it. People might find out what the problem is and inform themselves, so they become more competent about making decision or getting a funded point of view (which might differ from mine or yours), but an unsatisfied mass of people which is afraid of or angry about something which they cannot clearly define or understand, or feel suppressed, treated unjustly or intimidated is a typical foundation for fascist movements.

    For me, the whole issue is an expression of frustration and dissatisfaction. No matter how silly or uninformed the people are, they are unsatisfied and there are a lot of them. Something will have to be done about it because people want to be happy or at least content with what they have. No matter whose fault it might be, if too many of them get too unsatisfied, they will start riots or a revolution.

    There are still too many people in the US who are well off and thus have much to lose, so the risk for that is rather low, however..



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