Occupy OTF

[jmervyn]

I know I'm cheeky sometimes, but if it's not a majority, then it's not fallacy of the majority.

Of course it is. You're illogical AND wrong.

The youth especially, so this is an issue the GOP should downplay if they're smart.

After all, the youth are probably our most wise demographic after Hollywood, right? The issue I was slapping you across the face with is that people aren't honest with polling, and even if they are there's many other factors to consider, while in every vote in which queer marriage is suggested goes down in flaming disaster. Nevertheless, I already stated that it was masterful of the Obama camp to fabricate this issue (as well as the War on Wimmunses) and make Romney do the shuffle rather than having to discuss Fast & Furious, Obamacare, or the economy.

Yes, because my insistence that private citizens freely buying food from private food producers have better information to allow the market forces work better is clearly advocating for a government takeover of the food industry. [/sarcasm]

Nice try. You're all about the Gov't regulation, and imposing it. How's that polling now, sport?

The government isn't inherently bad, but in its current state, it's broken in many ways.

I'll just stop you right there. You're wrong. Government IS inherently bad. I've worked for it for over 20 years; I ought to know. Why do you think the Founders took such pains to make it as weak and decentralized as possible? Y'all sneer at me when I talk about Socialism and Progressivism, but what I'm trying to pound through your febrile brains is that ANY time you have centralized planning and decision making, it inevitably leads to disaster. Even the military structure is illegitimate under these auspices; a special ops team is vastly more efficient than a closely regulated Infantry unit (I once led my platoon "USSR"-style while playing the enemy AKA OPFOR, and while it's great for control it's disastrous for efficiency).

I'm just a tad higher (~40 I think),

I haven't taken at least one level. That's something that really ticks me off; even in the PC version, once you advance a level you can't stop to train, but instead have to shoot up as far as you can.

I'm on a console, so no modding for me.

Do yourself a favor. Modding is fantastic, even the simple ones (glowing ore veins).

Do you think everyone else likes to read us bickering? maybe they do. I'm going to continue anyway since I come here when i specifically don't want to be productive.

Well, somebody else reads these. Maybe it's just the green people preparing to knock me out of the park with the ban stick... As for productivity, I'd refer you to my statement above.

Prepare yourself for many many more mispellings and typographical errors. I apologize in advance.

Why aren't you using Firefox?

[Stevinator]

After all, the youth are probably our most wise demographic after Hollywood, right? The issue I was slapping you across the face with is that people aren't honest with polling, and even if they are there's many other factors to consider, while in every vote in which queer marriage is suggested goes down in flaming disaster. Nevertheless, I already stated that it was masterful of the Obama camp to fabricate this issue (as well as the War on Wimmunses) and make Romney do the shuffle rather than having to discuss Fast & Furious, Obamacare, or the economy.

Perhaps, but times are changing and the GOP is on the wrong side of that issue. It's only a matter of time before that comes back to bite them.

Nice try. You're all about the Gov't regulation, and imposing it. How's that polling now, sport?

If that regulation is food labelling, then I suppose that's true. OMG!

I'll just stop you right there. You're wrong. Government IS inherently bad. I've worked for it for over 20 years; I ought to know. Why do you think the Founders took such pains to make it as weak and decentralized as possible? Y'all sneer at me when I talk about Socialism and Progressivism, but what I'm trying to pound through your febrile brains is that ANY time you have centralized planning and decision making, it inevitably leads to disaster. Even the military structure is illegitimate under these auspices; a special ops team is vastly more efficient than a closely regulated Infantry unit (I once led my platoon "USSR"-style while playing the enemy AKA OPFOR, and while it's great for control it's disastrous for efficiency).

There is a substantial difference between central planning and the important role that government should play in society. I will grant that in many areas that we've previously discussed, there is too much government, but that does not mean that ALL government is "illegitimate". What's illegitimate is the way we allow people to buy influence and votes through cushy jobs and suspect hiring practices.

I haven't taken at least one level. That's something that really ticks me off; even in the PC version, once you advance a level you can't stop to train, but instead have to shoot up as far as you can.

I don't entirely follow but then, I'm playing pretty organically. Not very strategic on the training...perhaps the next char I'll think about it more.

Do yourself a favor. Modding is fantastic, even the simple ones (glowing ore veins).

That would be nice.

Why aren't you using Firefox?

I dunno, when maxathon got old, I started using chrome. I've played with firefox but it doesn't seem much different unless you use a lot of plug ins (I don't). Chrome seemed pretty striped down to the basics, and the each tab is a process was kinda cool. I always have a million tabs open, so it's handy to kill just the one you want. There's only one site I frequent that has a feature that doesn't work on chrome (it's a banking thing), otherwise everything works great. It's weird though, I had spell check, and somehow have turned it off. maybe if I can part with the other tabs I can turn it off and try to fix it.

[BobCox2]

Libor: The Crime of the Century - The interest rate scandal surrounding England’s Barclays Bank is corruption like we’ve never seen it before.

http://www.thenation.com/article/168...crime-century#

[jmervyn]

It gets worse: the New York Fed, headed by none other than Secretary of the Treasury Timothy Geithner, knew as far back as 2007 about the rate rigging. 2007? You know that this means, right? It means that at least a few key players involved in TARP [Troubled Asset Relief Program] knewbig banks were understating their borrowing costs!

Too big to fail?

EDIT - fun link one (doubling down)




Fun link two (messaging)

[jmervyn]

Anyone up for some lightly grilled Geithner?

You have been before this committee countless numbers of times since 2008, and if this is the crime of the century, as so many people are reporting today, never once did you ever once come and mention it as being a problem -- never once did you come here and say this is what you're going to do about it.

[BobCox2]

Anyone up for some lightly grilled Geithner?

Why you sound ready to join the protesters on this issue ? I want a refund and a hanging myself.

[jmervyn]

What's illegitimate is the way we allow people to buy influence and votes through cushy jobs and suspect hiring practices.

Which in turn supports the growth of Gov't and increase of centralization; "absolute power corrupts absolutely". You're just either unwilling or too naive to grasp that part.

Why you sound ready to join the protesters on this issue ? I want a refund and a hanging myself.

I keep forgetting how long I was posting on the GW OTF; I also wanted Hank Paulson strung up by his balls and whipped to the point of exposed bone. Just because I'm wiser about the insane belief that Gov't can police Gov't, or that corruption is not a fully bipartisan tendency, doesn't mean that OWS was lying about everything. It's just that the movement was created by Socialists to distract from the truth of the TEA Party, by blaming "Capitalism" for the problems when actual capitalism had relatively little to do with the disaster.

[Stevinator]

Which in turn supports the growth of Gov't and increase of centralization; "absolute power corrupts absolutely". You're just either unwilling or too naive to grasp that part.

I keep forgetting how long I was posting on the GW OTF; I also wanted Hank Paulson strung up by his balls and whipped to the point of exposed bone. Just because I'm wiser about the insane belief that Gov't can police Gov't, or that corruption is not a fully bipartisan tendency, doesn't mean that OWS was lying about everything. It's just that the movement was created by Socialists to distract from the truth of the TEA Party, by blaming "Capitalism" for the problems when actual capitalism had relatively little to do with the disaster.

but that's the whole idea behind separating the powers in the first place. That's why we shouldn't allow unlimited anonymous money to distort our campaigns. That's the first step. Plus it's a doable step. It's really hard to demand to news organizations to ask real questions when they know that embarassing candidates will lose them future interviews. It's hard to ask news organizations to stop focusing on gaffes and focus more on policy when policy would make most people change the channel. It's hard to instill a sense of civic duty into the populous when they care more about America can sing, or that show about housewives.

But we can ask for real campaign reform. we can require donors to identify themselves, what they donated, and when. we can broaden the legal definition of "electioneering".

[jmervyn]

but that's the whole idea behind separating the powers in the first place. That's why we shouldn't allow unlimited anonymous money to distort our campaigns. That's the first step. Plus it's a doable step.

Do you really think that it matters at this point? The "unlimited anonymous money" you describe is bedrock to the Democrat Party; they're the ones who rely heavily on Union donations and the Tides foundation, but the media doesn't bother discussing those - far simpler to shout "SQUIRREL!" about "Big Fill-in-the-blank".

It's really hard to demand to news organizations to ask real questions when they know that embarassing candidates will lose them future interviews. It's hard to ask news organizations to stop focusing on gaffes and focus more on policy when policy would make most people change the channel.

Nonsense. Helen Thomas sat in the front row of the White House press pool and did her anti-Semitic damnedest to humiliate George Bush as frequently as possible. Dan "Fake but accurate" Rather tried extremely hard to personally torpedo Bush using a known fraud. Katie Couric's ticket to lead anchor was based on a trumped-up story about a pointless 'gotcha' question for Sarah Palin.

You know what? The GOP ought to pull a "Harper" and refuse interviews to 'unfriendly' media - let the vile little mother-feckers starve. FOX already is the only non-"new media" source that doesn't consistently apply the old "Heren Standard of Journalism" unilaterally against the 'right'.

It's hard to instill a sense of civic duty into the populous when they care more about America can sing, or that show about housewives.

The Left has worked long and hard to eradicate the concept of patriotism and civic duty. What are you whining about?

There will never be real campaign reform as long as Progressives rule. If you didn't notice, a Progressive GOP candidate who didn't protest his party's attempt to squelch non-Progressives recently blasted 47% of the American populace as firmly Liberal Progressives.

[Stevinator]

Oh please, like this is only a problem with one party. Besides I'm right there with you on Union Donations. I don't think Unions should be allowed to donate money, I don't care if they try to convince members to donate individually, but it's not fair that they take people's paychecks and donate to politicians for them. This is one point where you can actually get some union members to see the light bulb once in a while. Hey, they are taking my money and donating for me.....

But allowing corporations to do the same is equally wrong and i find it amusing that you can't admit this (it's share holder's money but they don't get a say as to whom each contribution goes to) . you HAVE to get your partisan dig in, because you're not really interested in truth or justice, but in accomplishing your agenda. When people think like that nothing gets fixed, because at any given time new rules would benefit different parties, so we'll never agree. You and the Democrats you rant about are slowly destroying the country. Why do you hate America?

Sorry, couldn't resist the hyperbole. But seriously, if all the anonymous money is going to democrats, then why not support my cause to fix the system?




And how was "what newspapers do you read?" a gotcha question? If she had said basically anything else, it wouldn't have gotten the airtime it did. Hell, she could have told the truth (or the truth as i suspect it) that she doesn't have time to sit down and read a paper, but finds that she's able to "keep informed" via social media and staying close with her constituents. That's probably technically true, in her worldview, and sounds a million times better. Or she could have lied and said I get my news from google or some other aggregator. Again, that would have allowed the whole thing to pass. Hell, I have a guy on my staff pull together things that are important for me. That's a little pompous, but I would've been happy with that.

I agree that she got burned on that, but it was fairly clear she was in over her head, and it is the journalist's job to discover that. Don't you think the blame on that one should go to McCain for picking someone who wasn't ready? It's not like there weren't more experienced Reps they could have picked.

Sorry, that's hard to read and I'm not sure how to fix it.