Why should Hardcore characters not be able to make your account money?

**ShadoutMapes** · 17-09-2011, 17:28

It would make HC items more valuable, but imo items shouldn't be rarer or more expensive in Hardcore. The only difference should really be the perma-death.

Now as for why RMAH isnt just available in HC in general, with the risk of losing money and everything, I dont undertand, as it would be peoples own choice. People deciding to lose their own money surely can't be a legal issue.

I wont complain about it though, as I despise RMAH

So I'm happy HC will be 'clean', and it have made me want to play HC, while I didn't really before.

**Doppel** · 17-09-2011, 17:37

I guess i'm finding another reason (more then the "crap i'm dead" experience) to really play Hardcore.

If i knew my Hardcore character could be contributing to my Softcore character (but not vice versa) then i'd definately have atleast one Hardcore character.

**QQcrybaby** · 17-09-2011, 17:51

Because it would take time to code in a one way transfer, and this is not seen by Blizzard as a priority feature. Time is money and they want the game out asap.

**TheOatman** · 17-09-2011, 20:10

Originally Posted by QQcrybaby

Because it would take time to code in a one way transfer, and this is not seen by Blizzard as a priority feature. Time is money and they want the game out asap.

Why even bother posting this? You could apply this logic to anything and it would still be just as meaningless.

**etezo** · 17-09-2011, 21:20

My guess is that Blizzard dont want ppl to sue them that they spent x tousands on gear and now they lost it coz there was Z bug in game. And / or they dont expect many hardcore players (probably 1/10 of normal) and they are too cheap to setup hardware to support it.

**AlexanderBarin** · 17-09-2011, 21:23

Originally Posted by Peter

Legal reasons

Don't think it's legal reasons. Blizzard makes you agree to a whole lot of stuff in their TOS.

More like... "don't want to deal with the whiners who died and lost $400 worth of stuff then went on the forums to cry about it and depress other players" reasons.

**Crudesash68** · 17-09-2011, 21:50

Originally Posted by AlexanderBarin

Don't think it's legal reasons. Blizzard makes you agree to a whole lot of stuff in their TOS.

More like... "don't want to deal with the whiners who died and lost $400 worth of stuff then went on the forums to cry about it and depress other players" reasons.

Well...let me share a story with you...anecdotal, but I feel it applies well.

I worked for an engineering firm, before the RE bust here in Vegas, and being part of management, one of my fun things to do was learn about risk management. One training session, whilst I fought off sleep, we learned about one of our other offices settling a lawsuit out of court in a construction defect case. Now, our firm provided inspection and testing services, not the actual construction. Our reports in the matter were at client request, and therefore not the official statements of record. Furthermore, our reports were accurate, the official report had an inaccuracy, and all of our paperwork and contract is smeared with enough legalese to make your eyeballs bleed, all to the effect of "we are not responsible". Yet the firm decide to settle out of court. So, to wit, the firm: provided accurate service, was within the scope of the contract, and not responsible in any way for the defect. So why pay?

For the same reason Blizzard would; to avoid setting a precedent for everyone to sue, thus cranking up legal fees through the roof for every over-litigious blowhard in the US. If HC chars could buy/sell on the AH, and someone died with items that were valuable enough to care about, some d-bag would sue, and if it went to court, it wouldn't be a case of a sympathetic corporation with the law on their side vs. Johnny the Snark looking for a fast buck; instead, the jury would hear that the kid has 6 months to live, was trying to reach Guardian to support the troops, and was selling items to buy Grandma that new leg she's been needing since she lost the last one fending off packs of roaming wolves, eventually killing two with her detached tibia.

OK, OK...so I embellished a little; it was only one wolf. But the point is the same!

...of course, one wonders why subject themselves to any legal nonsense in SC too, so maybe they did just want to avoid the whining. I don't care, it was fun writing the story

**SEOLJL** · 17-09-2011, 22:03

I understand the fair point about the items having a fair chance to lose their value within moments from purchase but at the same time i dont like the idea that their argument for making this RMAH in the first place (to offer players a secure way of buying items with real currency) doesn't swing both ways. Its a tad hypocritical.

**Player** · 17-09-2011, 22:35

It's because people who don't wanna associate with riff raff who buys items for real money, needs a place to play. Hardcore is a safe haven for those real regular players who actually play the game instead of playing the Auction House.

In Hardcore your items don't worth any money, you should realize that. There's no "but" it would've been worth 200 dollars in normal games- No. You knew your items would be deleted in Hardcore so it didn't worth any real money in the first place. So there are no problems.

**Doppel** · 18-09-2011, 00:01

@ Crudesash68 and etezo: I agree that these legal issues should be reason to not allow money into the AH. But what i'm wondering is why prohibit stuff from being taken out of Hardcore (and into SC).
This would mean that since people can't put money into HC, then how can they sue Blizzard for loosing something they never even had in the first place?
You could try and sue Blizzard for potential money lost i guess, but then you might aswel try and sue Blizzard whenever in SC a legendary drops and you disconnect. And Blizzard doesn't seem the see any legal issues with that (since i'm sure the TOS states items simply belong to Blizzard, unless x and y and blahblahblah and mumbojumbo).

@ Player: I understand that, but i don't think it matters that much to Hardcore players really, since they would value their prized items anyhow, nomatter if they're worth money or not.

I also understand people who don't want to associate themselves with the RMAH. Unfortunately the RMAH will be a fact, and one you can't hide from unless isolating oneself completely. Sure, you could argue Hardcore is that isolation, but at what cost (rampant third parties?). Aslong as you can't buy items in Hardcore, i don't really see the problem with selling. Maybe it would even keep Hardcore fresh (since a lot of junk would be dropped into SC).