Your character being Stunned, Feared, and Charmed

**konfeta** · 23-10-2011, 03:27

Yup.

/tenchar

**cacophony** · 23-10-2011, 03:39

Also, PvP reports/ninja videos should be rolling in sometime tonight/tomorrow. Hopefully, that's a whole feast for thought on crowd control.

**MerLock** · 23-10-2011, 04:51

Originally Posted by Such Violent Storms

Ah, I'm glad you brought that up! Fear is effectively stun and then the computer takes control of your mouse. That's a pretty big disconnect, if you think about it.

Sure, there's the singular gameplay design element of "Oh, well, what if... perhaps, the fear causes you to run into a group of mobs! Aha! See, exciting!" when in actuality it's just not fun. Blizzard throws around the word "fun" a lot. If something is fun it's more likely to be included, and it won't be in the game if it's not fun. That's pretty simple; and it's just as simple to say that fear/charm are not fun.

Agreed. I'll comment on it as I imagine it since actual game play may be different. If it's like WoW and I'm playing a melee toon... it's very frustrating being feared and having to run back to the enemy. Stun I can live with if it's short duration. But charm and fear? Actually, it's pretty frustrating when your character is moving on its own and you're just sitting there watching. It's a what the heck moment.

**smurphys** · 23-10-2011, 05:05

I also feel that losing control of my character is extremely not fun. I can tolerate disconnects because they are something "outside the game". I can understand, respect and enjoy being slowed, rooted or debuffed. These make my character more vulnerable but I still have a chance to do something. Losing control of my character is like someone pulling the mouse or keyboard out of my hands. If I wanted that to happen I'd get a cat.

**MerLock** · 23-10-2011, 05:18

Yeah, slowed , rooted and debuffed works for me. Lost of character control doesn't. I can only guess that in the harder difficulties, the enemy can fear more frequently. I can imagine attacking an enemy... watch my character run around like a fool, gain control (yay moment) and run back to enemy to see him run around like a fool again... and repeat. *cries*

**demasked** · 23-10-2011, 09:11

I can almost imagine it...

My char runs toward enemy, gets feared and while running away gets crushed by a charmed Wizard's meteor :(

Quite sure pet classes will suffer from charm and fear a ton lol...

Witch Doctor summons Gargantuan... Gargantuan turns Witch Doctor into a pancake...

I'm really looking forward to seeing these implemented in pvp and pvm as it will definitely amp up tactics.

**NotaBot** · 23-10-2011, 10:10

Neverwinter nights had fear effects , you would simply move in the opposite direction from the generator for a short time it was Pre WoW .

in addition Dungeons and Dragons had numerous types of fear effects, it is not a WoW only concept and never has been.

**Such Violent Storms** · 24-10-2011, 01:53

Did anybody see any fear/charm effects in the PvP demo? Does the WD have any skills that do those things in the PvP demo? Would be nice to know if they actually made you lose control of your character.

Originally Posted by konfeta

Death is unfun and not heroic. They should remove dying.

Death is perfectly heroic, and a lot less common than fear/charm.

The next post you make should say something like "Waiting for D3 to install is not fun. They should remove installing." There's a point at which trying to be clever merges with succeeding to be stupid.

Originally Posted by MerLock

Agreed. I'll comment on it as I imagine it since actual game play may be different. If it's like WoW and I'm playing a melee toon... it's very frustrating being feared and having to run back to the enemy. Stun I can live with if it's short duration. But charm and fear? Actually, it's pretty frustrating when your character is moving on its own and you're just sitting there watching. It's a what the heck moment.

I agree. Stun almost always works as intended regardless of the game. If they really wanted those skills to hold some sort of an effect, they could be converted to apply stun instead for PvP.

**yovargas** · 24-10-2011, 02:39

Originally Posted by Such Violent Storms

Did anybody see any fear/charm effects in the PvP demo? Does the WD have any skills that do those things in the PvP demo? Would be nice to know if they actually made you lose control of your character.

Hex was in constant display and, yes, you turn into an animal and lose control. Very brief duration, though.

**Inarius** · 24-10-2011, 03:36

Fear and Charm need to work in PVP, or else you limit build choices - one thing they stated a million times shouldn't happen.

Just add diminishing returns to fear, stun and charm in PVP and it's ok. For example: fear in PVP always applied to the same enemy could be like this:
- First Fear: 3 second fear
- Second Fear: 2 second fear (1 second diminishing return)
- Third Fear: 1 second fear (2 second dminishing return)
- Fourth Fear: immune.

Death of your character or death of their character resets the counter.

In a game like Diablo, where players die constantly in PVP judging from the PVP videos, you'll probably never fear someone 4 times before he dies or you die. I dont think you'll fear the same character more than twice. That way your skill (fear) won't become useless due to immunity to fear.
The feared player has to live with it, I think. It is a skill of a class and thus a weapon in their arsenal. Barbarians can on the other hand stun you, Wizards can freeze you, monks can also stun and slow you. Different classes, different abilities. If you kill the "fear" for WDs, you'd have to limit the other characters similar skills too. That won't and shouldn't happen.

Possible problems: what happens if 2 or more WDs use fear after each other on the same enemy? Should the diminishing return apply to the WD fear spells of the other WDs? I think it should not, because having fear as one of your skills basically limits your character to only 5 other skills. You made the choise to choose fear as a skill, so you should be able to use it even if other WDs in your team also use the same skill.

Originally Posted by The Rockman

Personally I hope they make Feared = character can only move around for X secs but player still has control over where he/she goes. Charmed maybe it make players team colours-names-appearances switch in PvP etc I.E. if your not paying attention it really easy for youy to start chopping up your wizard mate instead of the other side monk.

The fear effect needs to send you away without you piloting the character. Or else a barbarian will just run around the WD "in fear", avoiding damage and at the same time staying close to the WD (which is not the idea of fear!). Maybe fear could let you pilot your character on a VERY limited basis. For example: WD fears you, your character starts running away in a straight line from the WD and you are allowed to change the angle of your movement by - lets say - 20%. That way you dont have to run into walls while feared or randomly into other packs of monsters in PvE (something that happened ALOT in WoW, so annoying).