Wiki To Do List: Volunteers Wanted

[Dragonfriend]

I'm looking to become a regular Wiki contributor (only done a few minor proofreading edits so far) and for my first real challenge, I've decided to tackle attributes! Yeah! Obviously, I'll be following Flux's guidelines in the post above, as well as overhauling the main Attributes page and fixing other pages that mention attributes (such as the Basics page).

If Flux or the other admins have suggestions (specific details you'd like to see or carry over from the current Attributes page), let me know.

[Flux]

I'm looking to become a regular Wiki contributor (only done a few minor proofreading edits so far) and for my first real challenge, I've decided to tackle attributes! Yeah! Obviously, I'll be following Flux's guidelines in the post above, as well as overhauling the main Attributes page and fixing other pages that mention attributes (such as the Basics page).

If Flux or the other admins have suggestions (specific details you'd like to see or carry over from the current Attributes page), let me know.

Great to hear it. I was going to say be sure to use the attributes overhaul post Bashiok put up, but I looked at Precision and you're on that.

The page formatting looks fine, and the content is good. One point on wiki style; try to use 3rd person PoV. A quote.

Originally, Precision was part of Dexterity which governed your chance to critically strike a target, and so doing more damage. Dexterity also influenced your chance to dodge an attack and lowered the chance that your character will be interrupted by getting hit.

Instead of "your" try to use "the character's" or "the player" or "a Paladin" or whatever is appropriate. I'm sure I'm guilty of lapsing into second person informality in pronouns on pages I've done, but try and do as I say, not as I fail to do.

I will create a bottom of the page nav table that includes attributes and more (resources, character stats, inventory... more?) I don't think they'd fit neatly into the skill navbox, which is a little overcrowded as it is.
http://www.diablowiki.net/Template:Skill_navbox

There's also a big D3 items navbox coming, once I've caught up the rest of the media coverage and all the pages are up to date.

[Dragonfriend]

Thanks for the advice, Flux. I should be able to fix those 2nd person references and knock out small pages for the ex-attributes by the end of the day. BTW, the quote from the Precision page you gave is actually an (almost) exact quote from the current Attributes page... which I believe you wrote. Not that I'm blaming you or anything.

As for the main Attributes page, that's a pretty big one and it might take me a couple of days to work up something I'm comfortable with. I hope you like it.

Also, you read my mind; I was going to ask you about making a stats or attributes navbox. But you're already on it!

P.S. I really hope they come up with better names for the attributes. Precision - Attribute OR Monk Trait! Seriously, Blizzard?

[Flux]

Well, glad I didn't get holier than thou in condemning the 2nd person language. heh. The person most guilty of that? Jay Wilson. He goes into that odd tense in most of his interviews, to the point that the pronouns are often unclear in their identity.

Incidentally, you can figure out who wrote everything on a wiki page if you care to look through the history and compare versions. Though I don't exactly recommend that to anyone as a cure for boredom.

If you (or anyone else) wants to give thought to nav box contents or improvements, feel free. They are publicly editable aside from the main page of the wiki and the main left side nav bar (which I desperately need to update), but are kind of code tricky, so it's best not to mess with them if you're not sure.

I don't want there to be a lot of different bottom page navs, if possible. The cool tabs we have on them make it possible to put a LOT into each one without it being a wall of text overload. Compare the d3 and d2 nav boxes to the older one for D1/HF that I did before we had the tabs. The main Diablo Game page stacks up all 3 nav tables.
http://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Diablo_Game#Duping

The D3 skills/traits box is pretty good, but I don't know how runestones are going to shake out. Will we want a discrete page for every runestone effect in every skill? How to link to to all 700~ of them, then?
http://www.diablowiki.net/Monk#References

Other navigation boxes are okay:
http://www.diablowiki.net/Template:Game_navbox
http://www.diablowiki.net/Template:Monster_navbox
http://www.diablowiki.net/Template:Character_navbox

One for items is needed and I have it planned out in a word document, but it's not in the wiki yet. I'm not sure where to put the attributes; they don't really go with skills, but they're not enough for their own table. maybe a sort of misc char stats table, with resources, links to the main skill/trait pages (but not all individual skills/traits), basic links to items pages, etc.

Most wikis are awful in terms of navigation, so I give it a lot of organizational-level thought in terms of how to improve on that with this one.

[Dragonfriend]

I'm not sure where to put the attributes; they don't really go with skills, but they're not enough for their own table. maybe a sort of misc char stats table, with resources, links to the main skill/trait pages (but not all individual skills/traits), basic links to items pages, etc.

That's a good idea; maybe if you need more content, you could add secondary stats, individual resistances, or even damage calculators. True, we don't have gobs of information about these things yet, but we will. Eventually.

[Flux]

As you say, finding more things to include in the nav is not usually a problem. Especially as content expands over time. Which makes it nice to have room to grow in the nav boxes. Which means I shouldn't be real concerned with stuffing them completely full at this point...

[MrFrye]

Hey, Flux, I just remembered a post you made earlier in this thread. Since I'm already making a polish pass through the skill pages, I'll take a stab at quoting the relevant passages from your Blizzcon char reports. Speaking of skill pages, I noticed that pages for War Cry and Rend are... missing. Maybe they were kidnapped by space monkeys.

Also, at some point I thought I'd add a section in the Attributes page giving bullet point lists of pros and cons for the changes, taken from Bashiok's post and the rather large forum thread here on that topic. Unless you want to do it.

--MrFrye (formerly Dragonfriend, and no, I won't keep mentioning this forever)

[Flux]

Lots of new skill pages got made after blizzcon with the new info. RisingRed made most/all of the DH pages, as I recall. But no one ever made the 2 new Barb skill pages. They've been sitting there ever since, red links, taunting us. TAUNTING!

Attributes: I'm still in early November on the media coverage update making/updating pages from everything in the news that needs it. And the attributes thing was in late December, so it'll be a while before I get there, and since the info is fresh in your mind after you dissected it all for the individual attributes pages, do what you see fit.

I'll read over the pages eventually and might make some additions, but that's the whole point in a wiki; other people can add tidbits. The hard part is getting up the initial page; once it's there more casual readers can generally be counted on for smaller additions and typo fixes and such.

[MrFrye]

But no one ever made the 2 new Barb skill pages. They've been sitting there ever since, red links, taunting us. TAUNTING!

I've heard Barbs can do that.

P.S. You get up way too early.

Update:
They were taunting me, too. So I created them. Now I can sleep at night.
Also, I made the update to the Attributes page. And since 2 weeks practice has given me mad wiki editing skills, I prettified the individual attribute pages. Cause I like pretty things.

[Flux]

Items navbox is live. Please take a look and make any suggestions for other pages that could be on it. I'll start pasting it to the appropriate pages (lots of them) later today.
http://www.diablowiki.net/Template:Items_navbox

I was going to make it with the clickable tabs, but as i started to plan it out... there really wasn't enough content for that yet. Easy enough to make tabs for armor, weapons, legendary items, etc... but there's nothing to populate them with yet, since we don't know many item types/names. So I just went with one big menu for now; it'll probably be beta time before we know enough to redo it and massively expand.

I'm not at all sure how those will fit, yet. The pages hold 7 or maybe 8 (at most) columns pretty well. More than that the columns get too narrow and any entry longer than 1 word gets doubled to 2 lines. And that sucks. But there are 9 type of armor, not including shields/jewelry, and like 13 types of weapons. So stack up 7 over 7? I tried that in HTML just to eyeball it, and it looks ugly. And very tall. However, since there will likely be variety in how many of each item type, some might fit neatly into mutual columns. If there are 18 types of body armor but only 12 helms and 7 boots and 8 shoulders...

That said, I think I'd like to have each item type's legendary (what if there are 2 or 3 or 4 legendary items for each item type?) right beside it. And maybe a link to crafting recipes (if any) that make that item type. And maybe links to that item in item sets (if any). And that's way more than would fit decently into the column format.

So something with tabs, definitely. Format yet to be determined...