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    Re: kiicking *** in high heels?

    If you zoom into the screenshots, you can see a slight dip in her boots, indicating a pointed heel. From the camera view, it is impossible to see.



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    Re: kiicking *** in high heels?

    So it's a nontroversy.




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    Re: kiicking *** in high heels?

    XD perfect wording.



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    Re: kiicking *** in high heels?

    it smacks of lazy lowest common denominator design to me, i would have given her some kind of flats, perhaps even leather . . . .

    but ultimately its a really minor issue in the scope of the game.




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    Re: kiicking *** in high heels?

    I agree with the people saying that high heels are plain ridiculous in an action based game. High heels are nothing more than a misogynistic accessory imposed on women by men solely for the purpose of further transforming the female gender into an object of lust. They are impractical in every way and serve only to objectify the women.

    However....

    When I look at the DH I don't really get the impression that she was designed as a lust object, They may have designed her as the "sexy" class but only relative to the other female characters in D3. She doesn't have the huge disproportions of the amazon, nor does she show off the amount of bare skin.

    Besides Sass has a good point too, she's the only female character in D3 that even remotely looks like a super babe model. The barbette, female monk and female WD look nothing like the skimpy broad chested porn/super models we see in many of today's other fantasy games.

    In my opinion D3 has been very original and non-conformist with its character so far.



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    Re: kiicking *** in high heels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sass View Post
    The Barbette, as we have called her, and Monk are both strong women, who are not overly sexy.
    Great, except that this is a discussion regarding the Demon Hunter and not the Barbarian, Monk, Wizard, and Witch Doctor. Thank you for answering my hyperbolic question though.

    Of course it's possible for game developers to create female video characters that are not overtly sexy but strong; however, it doesn't happen frequently enough. Most of the time, female video game characters are outfitted with skimpy clothing and given big breasts--and this somehow makes them strong enough to stand up to their male equivalents that are 220 lbs of pure muscle and wearing practical armor (not metal lingerie).

    Anyway, Blizz has only done the sexiness to one single char.
    And that's one too many as far as I'm concerned, especially when you consider how common this kind of thing is in all video games.

    It's like in D2 where they had the zon. Wouldn't running so fast she disrupts time and space be killer on her back? Those bazookas need one heck of a sport bra.
    I agree that the Amazon was ridiculous aesthetically.

    And it seems you have missed the point of the char. She isn't
    supposed to give off any strong vibe--she's the agile char.
    You're using the wrong definition of strong. I don't mean strong in the same sense as a power lifer is strong. I mean strong in the sense of being capable of defending yourself and other people. And since when does wearing high heels coincide with being agile?

    Her strength is an inner one where she not only has the courage to stand up to demons, she actively seeks them when others cower in fear.
    Inner strength alone cannot kill demons. She may be strong internally, but she's running around in a dominatrix outfit and high heels. When I look at the female Demon Hunter, I don't think, "Oooh, how impressive and strong!" I think... I wonder how good she'd be in bed if she were real? But this is exactly my point. The focus of video game developers isn't creating genuinely interesting and strong female characters. Their focus is creating sexy female characters that will attract boys and men (the primary audience for video games).

    Also, I'm pretty sure the dex based char wouldn't have problems wearing heels.
    She'd be more agile without them, not to mention taken more seriously.

    People choose now to be the time to complain? Were they blind for 10 years?
    Why are you being presumptuous? I've always complained about this type of thing.



    To iterate, Blizzard has succeeded in making a sexy female character with the Demon Hunter, but they've failed in making a character that I can take seriously. Although I don't think the latter was ever Blizzard's goal.


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    Re: kiicking *** in high heels?

    Quote Originally Posted by Contingent View Post
    Of course it's possible for game developers to create female video characters that are not overtly sexy but strong; however, it doesn't happen frequently enough. Most of the time, female video game characters are outfitted with skimpy clothing and given big breasts--and this somehow makes them strong enough to stand up to their male equivalents that are 220 lbs of pure muscle and wearing practical armor (not metal lingerie).
    Likewise, how often are men displayed as overly masculine with OTT, unrealistic muscles? I reckon large-muscled guys are portrayed about as frequently as sexilly-dressed women in games. Yet... people don't seem as bothered by it?

    Quote Originally Posted by Contingent View Post
    Inner strength alone cannot kill demons. She may be strong internally, but she's running around in a dominatrix outfit and high heels. When I look at the female Demon Hunter, I don't think, "Oooh, how impressive and strong!" I think... I wonder how good she'd be in bed if she were real? But this is exactly my point. The focus of video game developers isn't creating genuinely interesting and strong female characters. Their focus is creating sexy female characters that will attract boys and men (the primary audience for video games).
    If that was their sole aim, then why doesn't the female Witch Doctor look like some 'ebony goddess'? Their aim is to create visually distinctive characters. And while there may have been other ways to achieve this, the female DH as it is certainly is visually distinctive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Contingent View Post
    To iterate, Blizzard has succeeded in making a sexy female character with the Demon Hunter, but they've failed in making a character that I can take seriously. Although I don't think the latter was ever Blizzard's goal.
    'Serious' is almost never Blizzard's goal. Look at the visual effects in DIII; they are flat out over-the-top. When you look at strategy games, their critters explode when you click on them multiple times. In addition, the regular units also have funny quips when the same is done to them. Clearly, 'serious' is not their aim; 'entertaining' is.

    Personally, I think dressingly overly sexily is about as demeaning as forbidding someone to do so. Either way, you are forcing a person, regardless of gender, to conform to other people's expectations.



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    Re: kiicking *** in high heels?

    Inner strength alone cannot kill demons. She may be strong internally, but she's running around in a dominatrix outfit and high heels. When I look at the female Demon Hunter, I don't think, "Oooh, how impressive and strong!" I think... I wonder how good she'd be in bed if she were real? But this is exactly my point. The focus of video game developers isn't creating genuinely interesting and strong female characters. Their focus is creating sexy female characters that will attract boys and men (the primary audience for video games).
    You are seriously overestimating the amount of time anyone will ever spend thinking about the shape of shoes the model of their character are wearing in this game.




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    Re: kiicking *** in high heels?

    konfeta i have been in debates of how the prober etiquette would be to handle a tieflings tail in dnd as well as a very very large thread about why female dragonborns should not have breast since they are reptilians.

    and that is just concept art.

    i been in debates about the length of fantasy races and the fact it has changed from one edition to another and the outcry it created.

    i have watched how people have analyzed an entire character class from a single concept art picture way before it was released and seen how strong opinions on posture, clothing, weapons, attidude, shape of body parts, length as well as weigh!

    has all been generated from that single concept picture

    dont underestimate how serious people can take small issues.




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    Re: kiicking *** in high heels?

    Those people are clearly in the very vocal and very minor minority. Once the game come out and people start playing it, they will happily realize how much of a not-problem the Demon Hunter wearing high heels is when you are playing the game instead of staring at the concept art, nitpicking every detail out of sheer boredom.

    If after 5 minutes of playing the DH they stop and cry out, "Alas, I can take this mockery no longer! I cannot avert my eyes from constantly examining the high heels of this lady, the game is ruined forever!" these people have issues and need to see a doctor.




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