So it's 6 times more patterns than in 1.12? At least? Hmm. Are there still the same 65K possible pattern?
I think that is a fair assumption to make.Originally Posted by ZeN
Bare in mind I have seen like 1 or maybe 2 El, Elds etc. from my running to get the Sur - not nearly as much as pre-1.13
I have a hunch if we looked at 1.12 drop patterns for every rune, we'd see that some of the new drop patterns for surs were old drop patterns for lower runes.
It makes sense really. Rune drops were increased by a factor of 8-10 for mob drops; chest drops are restricted to 65k so they simply altered the proportions of rune drops.
edit - The last two lines need clarification on my part. I meant the top runes were increased by a factor of 8-10 to offset the lower runes having their drop odds decreases.
Last edited by Bugzy; 05-05-2010 at 10:54.
Seems like most of us are running P7, and understandably so.
However, I have been also running other settings to assess drop patterns.
Please post the number of runs thus far on each to gauge whether P3, for example, is simply a poor setting to run, or just getting little attention.
My runs: Highest Rune
P1 35 runs Dol
P3 75 runs Fal
P5 150 runs Io
P7 580 runs Vex (Sur from ancillary drop; Ohm before formerly
counting runs)
Where to find Eth Zerker Axe question that was left unanswered twice:
I had another go at searching for the answer (seriously, tried about 6 or 7 different google/forum search terms, searched over 4 nights, each giving up after getting links only to the 1.07 rack guide and trade threads.)
But you cannot rack 'zerker axes in 1.10+. No area is high enough to drop them. However, in 1.07, I believe you can.
Edit @mattinm below:
Thanks man. I knew people knew the answer, but no one posted a reply. I agree, Durf's fault.
Last edited by Drystan; 05-05-2010 at 14:12.
I did answer this question, but I attempted to submit during the mystical forum down time that happens every night (local time), so the squid ate it and I forgot to re-answer. Blaming Durf.
For further clarification, racks drop items at ilvl = alvl - 1, where the item's qlvl must be equal to or lower than the ilvl to be able to drop. Because Berserker Axes are of qlvl 85, and the highest alvl is 85 (thus the highest possible ilvl from a rack is 84 [I'm pretty sure that at least the Causeway temples have racks, right?]), then Berserker Axes cannot drop (nor can any other TC87 base) in the latest patch.
I believe that back in the day these were rackable because of the older TC classes and the much higher alvls. I think Nihlathak's area could drop anything in the game back then, but I'm not certain on older mechanics.
We lost Crazy Bear's 2 patterns so I added them back and I moved one item in the list to keep the runes in increasing order.
Players 1-2
Players 3-4Code:Rune Item #1 Item #2 Item #3 Item #4 Finder
Players 5-6Code:Rune Item #1 Item #2 Item #3 Item #4 Finder Mal #1 Flail Large Charm War Hammer Wrist Sword ZeN Gul #1 Splint Mail ZeN
Players 7-8Code:Rune Item #1 Item #2 Item #3 Item #4 Finder Pul #1 Ceremonl Bow Martel de Fer Ziambe Ist #1 Dirk Ziambe Lo #1 Hyp. Javelin Legend Sword Military Pick Vambraces Ziambe Lo #2 Full Plate Poleaxe Pellet Bow Crazy_Bear Sur #1 Coronet Long War Bow Ring +2 others Ziambe Ber #1 Heraldic Sh. Srpntskn Armr Ziambe
Code:Rune Item #1 Item #2 Item #3 Item #4 Finder Pul #1 Cleaver Colossus Vlg Crossbow Trident parsetdx Mal #1 Morning Star Short Spear mattinm Mal #2 Battle Dart Sabre Trident EatSleepDiablo Ist #1 Long Bow Rune Scepter SmallCrescent +2 others Painman Gul #1 Battle Axe CrystalSword Edge Bow +2 others mattinm Gul #2 Claws Cerm. Spear DmnhdBoots +3 more mattinm Gul #3 Amulet Defender DmnhdGloves Long Bow mattinm Gul #4 Gothic Bow Drystan Vex #1 Balrog Blade Burnt Wand Chaos Armor +2 others Ziambe Vex #2 Breast Plate Long Sword Military Pick +3 others Ziambe Vex #3 Crystal Sword Grand Scepter HeavenlyStone EatSleepDiablo Ohm #1 Amulet Crown Francisca +2 others mattinm Ohm #1 Amulet Crown Francisca +2 others Ziambe Lo #1 Bill Ring Ziambe Lo #1 Bill Ring Drystan Sur #1 Defender ElegantBlade Suwayyah Tusk Sword wielanja Sur #2 Ring wielanja Sur #3 Amulet Barbed Club Flamberge +6 others Drystan Sur #4 Bramble Mitts Double Bow Gilded Shield +6 others Bugzy Sur #5 Martel de Fer Swirling Crystal Crazy_bear Sur #6 Crystal Sword Espandon Fuscina +2 others svidikus
Just an easy way to compare the changes - I've brought back the summary table. Giving credit to this FAQ by MuddyWaters for the pre-1.13 table.
@mattinm - Maybe we can move the tables to the first post in the thread and update the summary every so often.
Code:Version 1.13 (Found Thus Far) P1-2 P3-4 P5-6 P7-8 Pul - - 1 1 Um - - - - Mal - 1 - 2 Ist - - 1 1 Gul - 1 - 4 Vex - - - 3 Ohm - - - 1 Lo - - 2 1 Sur - - 1 6 Ber - - 1 - Pre-1.13 P1-2 P3-4 P5-6 P7-8 Pul 2 3 1 6 Um 1 4 1 1 Mal - 1 2 2 Ist 1 2 1 2 Gul - 1 1 - Vex - - - 1 Ohm - - 2 - Lo 1 1 - - Sur - 1 - 1 Ber - 1 - 1
I've added that really handy "overall" table to the first post currently, and made a spoiler for the mostly up-to-date tables.
I'm not sure if I understand what you mean in the quote above, but I've noticed that having people update the tables fully when posting is making pages quite long (I do 50/page, so it's even crazier), but I'm guessing we would eventually get to a point where updates just won't come very often.
I guess the two options would be to: 1.) continue as we are, updating tables fully on update; or 2.) have users post their latest find with all relevant information (e.g. /p7 Gul #4 Cleaver Crossbow and the link... note that this isn't a real find, just an example) and have every 10th poster or so update the tables, and I'd subsequently update the main post.
I think (2) is what you meant by your post, but if you could clarify, that would be great.
@mattinm -
All I meant was to copy the summary table to your first post and update it every so often, which you did.
As for updating the pattern table, I think what we're doing right now is fine. Look at Page 103 in your linked post - that's what sirpoops had going for the pre-1.13 patterns.
Have another Gul on p3 with the same pattern as before.
Gonna add it later.
Actually. woow.
I am going to highlight the following just to be sure that everyone sees it (although it might be insignificant or well known).
I had the same gems (FTopaz and FSkull) drop on both Guls (different chest) in addition to the same item (Splint Mail). Perhpas that changes the way we assess patterns and junk drop (aren't gems in it) also has an effect?
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