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    Piles of Money Tourney

    A Very Simple Tourney: The Piles of Money Tourney!

    Various discussions of goldfinding methods and techniques suggest that it's time for a very simple tourney. The object is to get as much gold as possible in a 30 minute continuous stretch of play.

    The guidelines:

    • All classes allowed, but anyone with any sense expects barbs to excel.
    • All areas permitted, but most people would expect the Hell Council to be the best for gold hauling.
    • No multi-player- it's just your character and a bank account.
    • Existing characters of HC/SC, any version are eligible, and Vanilla/RRM/RWM/CRM are allowed.
    • Get your character ready to go, set a timer, play for 30 minutes, and calculate the total gold accumulated at the end of 30 minutes.
    • Any player setting may be used, at any time.
    • Save and exit is allowed.
    • TPing from the belt is allowed.
    • Killing monsters at /players 1 and popping chests at /players 8 is allowed. (For once! But it won't do you much good.)
    • Dying is allowed. But there isn't any money to be made there.


    Rules and timing:
    • Spend all the time you want building, equipping, and preparing your character.
    • When ready for an effort, look at a clock, begin playing and gathering gold by any means possible.
    • No selling of prepurchased items, but selling of items found in the 30 minute period is permitted.
    • ATMA and GoMule are permitted only for the purposes of removing gold from your character, and their use counts towards your 30 minute timed effort.
    • No suspending of time- if the phone rings or a puppy starts eating your shoes, you can either ignore it or deal with it as part of your 30 minute effort.
    • Multiple efforts are permitted.
    • Multiple characters are permitted, but each effort can use only a single character.
    • Adjusting gear and strategy is permitted and encouraged.
    • Any partial effort counts as a full effort and should be reported. Good faith efforts should be made to complete efforts once begun. Interrupting an effort out of frustration or a bad string of drops is not good form.
    • Gold totals are from gold picked up plus any gold from vendors obtained by selling items to them. Any item not sold to a vendor doesn't count towards your accumulated gold. The time spent selling items counts towards the 30 minute limit.
    • Costs of resurrecting mercs, deaths, repairing items, potions and other supplies must be deducted from accumulated gold, if any of these expenses are incurred.


    Just to be clear: any method of accumulating gold is permitted. If you want to pick up chipped gems and minor mana potions with a new level 1 character in the normal Blood Moor and sell them to Akara, that is fine. There are probably faster ways of accumulating gold, though!


    Scoring

    • Keep track of the gold on your character when you start your effort.
    • At the end of the effort, count the gold on your character and muled off during your effort.
    • Subtract your original gold on the character from your accumulated gold. That's it!
    • Keep track of your best 30 minute effort, and record the number of efforts made. If desired, you can keep track of average gold found over a number of efforts with the same character and equipment.



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    Comments:

    • I don't actually have a decent dedicated GF barb at the moment, so I'm hoping to use this as an impetus to build one. I have a 1.07 horker for NM council runs there, but that's mostly for charms, getting crafting runes and jewels and is not focused on gold. I'm hoping to learn from the experts and build a proper GF barb!
    • Descriptions of builds, targets and techniques are welcome!
    • Of course, the idea is to balance maximizing GF% with maximizing killing speed.
    • If there is sufficient interest, separating the tables into divisions may be warranted, and suggestions are welcome. Barbs/non-barbs or SC/HC are natural potential divisions.
    • When you sign up or report a score, give at least a brief description of your build and plan.
    • If you are having trouble spending all the gold you get, I suggest gambling!


    Clarifications:
    • None yet, but I'm sure there are things I forgot to mention and I can put them here later when I realize my mistakes or ambiguities.


    Signup and timing
    Starting now, and carrying on until June 15th, 2009. Hopefully that will give me enough time to build a reasonably decent GF barb!

    Trophy
    No prizes, but for the best single effort, there will be a personalized trophy of some appropriate type. Keeping track of the biggest single pile of gold is also welcome, but for scoring the object is to get the most gold in a 30 minute period.

    Scoring Table

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    |  forum name     | character       |  best effort | # efforts | avg. effort |
    |-----------------|-----------------|--------------|-----------|-------------|
    |purplelocust     | ????? 	    |          0 gp|       0   |          0  |
    Good luck to anyone who chooses to join, and may the New Year find us all rolling in piles of gold!




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    Re: Piles of Money Tourney

    Scoring Table

    Code:
    |  forum name     | character      |  best effort | # efforts | avg. effort |
    |-----------------|----------------|--------------|-----------|-------------|
    |purplelocust     | ?????    	    |          0 gp|       0   |          0  |
    |SnickerSnack     | Cortez 	    |          0 gp|       0   |          0  |
    I'm sure I won't win, since I don't have great gf gear/charms, but this should be fun anyway.

    How about we add "build" to the table? Warcry, leap, frenzy, necro.....



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    Re: Piles of Money Tourney

    Very cool idea. I have yet to make a GF character (in part due to not having a clvl93 toon for ammy gambling yet, but I'm close. Wait, it IS 93, right? That feels wrong now that I say it), so as you said this might be great motivation eventually.

    I won't join just yet since there's a lot on my plate in both RL and D2, but I'll be keeping an eye on this for sure!!

    Good luck to all participants!!



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    Re: Piles of Money Tourney

    Scoring Table

    Sounds fun! Added myself in the table and added a "build" column.

    Code:
    |  forum name     | character      |  best effort | # efforts | avg. effort |build  |
    |-----------------|----------------|--------------|-----------|-------------|-------|
    |purplelocust     | ?????          |          0 gp|       0   |          0  |       |
    |SnickerSnack     | Cortez         |          0 gp|       0   |          0  |       |
    |zerth            | ScroogeMcDuckII|          0 gp|       0   |          0  |Warcry |
    @TheReadMenace: clvl 93 will make sure that the ammies you craft with the ones you gamble have ilvl90+. For gambling ammies you need clvl 95. I hope that made sense, no coffee yet




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    Re: Piles of Money Tourney

    Code:
    |  forum name     | character      |  best effort | # efforts | avg. effort |build  |
    |-----------------|----------------|--------------|-----------|-------------|-------|
    |purplelocust     | ?????          |          0 gp|       0   |          0  |       |
    |SnickerSnack     | Cortez         |          0 gp|       0   |          0  |Warcry       |
    |zerth            | ScroogeMcDuckII|          0 gp|       0   |          0  |Warcry |
    TRM: The level 93 thing is really only needed for bnet players since they can't see the ilvl of their gambles. You can gamble at level 90 (probably) and then just pick out the ammies with the highest ilvls. For crafting.



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    Re: Piles of Money Tourney

    Code:
    |  forum name     | character      |  best effort | # efforts | avg. effort |build  |
    |-----------------|----------------|--------------|-----------|-------------|-------|
    |Fabian           | GoldBarb       |     8,087,365|       1   |    8,087,365|Warcry |
    |purplelocust     | ?????          |          0 gp|       0   |          0  |       |
    |SnickerSnack     | Cortez         |          0 gp|       0   |          0  |Warcry       |
    |zerth            | ScroogeMcDuckII|          0 gp|       0   |          0  |Warcry |
    Leveled an old Warcry GF barb I abandoned a while ago, re-equipped him and took him out for a spin in NM Trav, p7. Went reasonably well, 27 runs and about 300k per run on average.

    Strategy was simple, teleport on top of the council, sometimes Warcry a bit (I didn't use this much to be honest), and pick up gold piles and hork bodies as they dropped. GF was 2602/2514 on merc kills/horks (yup, only 88 GF on the merc, didn't even socket the Crown of Thieves).

    All in all, not bad at all, but if the real GF barbs participate they will blow this score out of the water obviously.

    Fwiw equipment was Lem'ed Crystal Swords (echoing + HoTo on switch), Wealth, CoT, Crafted GF/Teleport ammy, Dwarf Stars, Chance Guards, Rare Belt and Boots. Merc had eth Obedience, Fortitude, CoT. 561 GF from charms, plus Horadric Cube.



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    Re: Piles of Money Tourney

    Code:
    |  forum name     | character      |  best effort | # efforts | avg. effort |build  |
    |-----------------|----------------|--------------|-----------|-------------|-------|
    |Fabian           | GoldBarb       |     8,087,365|       1   |    8,087,365|Warcry |
    |purplelocust     | ?????          |          0 gp|       0   |          0  |       |
    |SnickerSnack     | Cortez         |          0 gp|       0   |          0  |Warcry |
    |zerth            | ScroogeMcDuckII|          0 gp|       0   |          0  |Warcry |
    |Corrupted        | Majestic       |          0 gp|       0   |          0  |WW     |
    I don't expect to come out on top of this as I optimized my barb for p3 hell runs as I wanted to have a shot at runes at the same time. setup is here

    I changed his gear a bit since to get more gf% when horking.




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    Re: Piles of Money Tourney

    I am in. I can see this is that kind of "lets find out how far can we push it" tourney, and Id like to be part of it.

    However, in the spirit of this tournament, I wont make a GF barb. Instead, I will take the role of an opponent to this approach! Someone has to boldly go where no man has gone before!

    I have already made a test run with my absolutely ordinary MF trapper, which consisted of /p1 eldrich and pindle. I picked up anything of some value (armors, orbs, circlets etc) selling the items to vendors. The final score was 1,137,759 which seems fairly low compared to pure GF character - but ... and there are two notable butts (ahm):
    • Im sure I can double this with some practice. Also Im sure I can quadruple this (or even more) with something like 105 fcr infinity lightning sorc, which I planned a long time and now with the main piece of gear I can jazz it (even though Im short of one certain golden diadem, one godly crafted amulet and so on).

    • There are other things money cant buy you can find (and I did in those first 30 minutes), taking this route. Like

      Natalya's Shadow
      Loricated Mail

      Crown of Thieves
      Grand Crown

      Boneflesh
      Plate Mail


    Which finally brought me to an idea. Of course, this only apply if purplelocust, our honourable host, will agree. I am willing to stash all green and golden stuff I found during the tournament and let the winner take one item of his choice from it (This depends on number of participants and can grow slightly ). Any. I dont reserve anything for myself, should it be even griffons or such. Let those three be the base for the beginning. Oh, and the itamz are 1.12 RRM/RWM SC.

    But it wouldnt be fun without butt eh? The final score for all non-barbarian classes tripples. Oh yeah. If I get 5 mils, you haxorz will have to hork 15+. No, its not fair, live with it Of course, rules allow you to try more that one character, mmmkay?

    Sooo? Watcha guys think



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    Re: Piles of Money Tourney

    Code:
    |  forum name     | character      |  best effort | # efforts | avg. effort |build  |
    |-----------------|----------------|--------------|-----------|-------------|-------|
    |Fabian           | GoldBarb       |     8,087,365|       1   |    8,087,365|Warcry |
    |purplelocust     | ?????          |          0 gp|       0   |          0  |       |
    |SnickerSnack     | Cortez         |          0 gp|       0   |          0  |Warcry |
    |zerth            | ScroogeMcDuckII|    9172559 gp|       1   |    9172559  |Warcry |
    |Corrupted        | Majestic       |          0 gp|       0   |          0  |WW     |
    Managed to finish first session

    24 runs in 30:10. That's 75 secs/run. (BTW what should we do if the time is exceeded? I use the run counter to record final time and the glide wrapper clock to estimate how much I have left).

    Only 9.17M gold. Still not quite there, but will get it until the 15th.




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    Re: Piles of Money Tourney

    Wow, those are great runs already! I'm glad there is some interest. I'll have to get working on a GF build but I've still got many other projects in progress...

    @zerth: If the 30 minute time is going to be exceeded, I suggest stopping in the middle of the run right at the 30 minute mark. Then you can TP out, total your gold for scoring purposes, and then finish the run with the additional gold not counted to the score. That seems like the fairest method to compare apples to apples and it avoids people being tempted to push the last run. And you have six months, so there is plenty of opportunity to improve and experiment, if needed.

    @skiffcz: On the prize issue, that is fine by me. I suggested a trophy for simplicity and not worrying about RWM/HC/SC-type complications. But if you are willing to contribute a prize, great!

    So how about this: a trophy for the highest total score, and a prize (if desired) from skiffcz for the highest adjusted score, with that suggested tripling adjustment of non-barb scores.

    I don't know how non-barbs will compare. I did think about this, and one idea was a sorc who has a ton of survival and GF gear who lets her merc get the kills. I thought about doing it in 1.07, as Static Field there works all the way down to a sliver even in Hell. But there are a couple of problems, in that in 1.07 there is no Gheed's (and other gear problems as well) and in general it's hard to do quick hell Trav runs there without dying a fair amount. It's hard to do anything (except cows) in 1.07 without dying a fair amount, in my experience, actually. Static doesn't work against LI monsters. Perhaps a 1.10+ enchantress supporting her merc, but still it won't be easy and the immunities are again an issue. It's clear that without the ability to hork, you lose a big opportunity for more gold, of course. I suspect an Enigmadin could go pretty quickly but I don't know how much so.

    Let's try to keep the table sorted on best effort:
    Code:
    |  forum name     | character      |  best effort | # efforts | avg. effort |build  |
    |-----------------|----------------|--------------|-----------|-------------|-------|
    |zerth            | ScroogeMcDuckII|    9172559 gp|       1   |    9172559  |Warcry |
    |Fabian           | GoldBarb       |    8087365 gp|       1   |    8087365  |Warcry |
    |purplelocust     | ?????          |          0 gp|       0   |          0  |       |
    |SnickerSnack     | Cortez         |          0 gp|       0   |          0  |Warcry |
    |Corrupted        | Majestic       |          0 gp|       0   |          0  |WW     |



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