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    Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

    might is the only way to go. i mean if you're not using an ITD bow, have crappy ar, and cant get it anywhere else i guess a blessed aim merc might be alright, but really might merc or an act 1.




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    Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

    Quote Originally Posted by brownmoses View Post
    Nice guide, I had been wondering on how secondary attacks measure up for a Lightning zon hybrid.

    Also what are your thoughts about which auras are most effective from an Act 2 merc? I was thinking Defiance vs. Holy Freeze, but also considering might for the increased leach and especially when using the bow vs. LI.
    Depends to much on your personal preference when building your hybrid for me to say clearly, but I'd prefer might>HF>defiance on my own if I had to choose. Reason is of course the increased bow damage.

    Defiance or holy freeze would increase the time a merc can tank I guess, but I'd rather lessen the time a merc has to tank instead of increasing the time they can tank. Or something like that :azn:

    Quote Originally Posted by crawlingdeadman View Post
    might is the only way to go. i mean if you're not using an ITD bow, have crappy ar, and cant get it anywhere else i guess a blessed aim merc might be alright, but really might merc or an act 1.
    iirc there's something messy with penetrate and blessed aim, but could be wrong.




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    Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

    O my Gosh Kijya excellent guide.

    As always tho, a few questions

    1. I plan to make this on Bnet later in my life. Hwoever for now, just for SP , therefore who has the best prob to drop WF ? It seems good enuf for my zon.

    2. I heard this char is good for 8 player chaos. What skills u use while chaosing? java or bow? If bow, do you use multi a lot Kijya?

    3. Im afraid Im going to have AR issues. Any ideas to solve it?

    4. What CAN'T this char beat? (in terms of pvm ofc)

    More questions to come, LOVE ur zon

    Thanks!



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    Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

    1. I plan to make this on Bnet later in my life. Hwoever for now, just for SP , therefore who has the best prob to drop WF ? It seems good enuf for my zon.
    Baal has the highest chance, but pindle is your best bet, since you can run him over and over really fast.

    For percentage chances I recommend getting yourself ATMA and use its drop calc
    2. I heard this char is good for 8 player chaos. What skills u use while chaosing? java or bow? If bow, do you use multi a lot Kijya?
    I use both, LF when there are tight packs of oblivion knights or venom lords, multi when the enemies are spread out a lot or some LI around, strafe when grand vizier and his pack line up nicely, and CS to kill diablo him self. FA at times when something nasty spawns a bit to close for my liking.

    And I do use multi a lot, yeah.

    3. Im afraid Im going to have AR issues. Any ideas to solve it?
    Lava Gout gloves, obedience polearm, or other way to get hold of enchant. Enchant is equal to penetrate in terms of giving AR, so a level 10 enchant means another level 10 penetrate on top of the one you gain from skills. A level 20+ enchant is as it you had maxed penetrate on its own.

    4. What CAN'T this char beat? (in terms of pvm ofc)
    Ubers, at least not a hybrid as I've built mine. With other gear then the suggested and a healthy chunk of vitality you might be able to beat something in there, but I didn't really intend to make a uber viable build, it's for killing the normal areas in PvM.

    Souls pose a problem unless you get yourself maxed res and 600+ life, tgods might be a good idea.

    I've done ancients solo in 4p game iirc, tanking and killing them myself, but I think a lower budget hybrid might struggle there.


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    Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

    Cheers, is this build good for killing bosses ? will the CS be strong enuf?



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    Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

    Quote Originally Posted by iLoveSoccer View Post
    Cheers, is this build good for killing bosses ? will the CS be strong enuf?
    Depends on your budget, but with wealth 8p bosses are pretty easy, and even at lower budgets 1-2p bosses should still be fairly easy.

    At the top you're looking at something close to a pure java, if you focus your hybrid towards the java side. My own hybrid is more balanced and I only have a fraction of the cs damage of a full out high budget java, but 5k+ cs still works for me. :azn:

    The problem is surviving a hit while you stand close, for this I'd say you need at least 600 life, which might be hard to get on a low budget with base vit. So there you may have to spend some points on vit. Max block and some d/a/e of course help protect you quite a bit, but dia might still 1 hit you should you be amped in a 8p game if you have to low life.




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    Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

    Kijya, I realized in the "rich man's list" why don't you use Faith?

    Also for merc Im going to use might-based merc, however infi or pride? Is pride good ONLY because of more dmg?

    Whats so good about WF? Just the 20 IAS, high max dmg and KB?

    Lastly Zon master- Kijya =) , can you post the best bows in order from the best to worst? Let me start: Faith, WWS, WF, Buriza, correct?



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    Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

    Quote Originally Posted by iLoveSoccer View Post
    Kijya, I realized in the "rich man's list" why don't you use Faith?

    Also for merc Im going to use might-based merc, however infi or pride? Is pride good ONLY because of more dmg?

    Whats so good about WF? Just the 20 IAS, high max dmg and KB?

    Lastly Zon master- Kijya =) , can you post the best bows in order from the best to worst? Let me start: Faith, WWS, WF, Buriza, correct?
    Check possible alteration 2 under it for faith based build. Cannot compare just the bows, you must compare complete setups, and wf+faith merc does compare quite well to the faith+might&pride combo in terms of damage.

    wf+faith combo has a merc that doesn't die to IM, one of the main reasons I prefer it since I run dia a lot (my zon is lvl 96 ... from diarunning since she was 76, I didn't do hell ancients until I was 94 ...).

    There are much other things to, but there's already tons of threads on the subject so better look into those instead.


    Infi = your build will lean more towards being a pure java, it really buffs up the javelin damage a lot.
    pride = more damage, yes, nothing else about it really. Concentration aura does help your bow damage quite a bit, though not as much as infi does to the javelins.



    As said you cannot compare bows purely on their own, you have to consider full setups. Faith or WF might be best depending on what area you are running, what skills you use, your wealth, your playstyle, your merc, or who you play with. To many variables.


    Bows below those are even harder to compare, and they're far less discussed in general. I'll link you to two comparison threads and hope they'll help a bit towards finding your answer:
    http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=145812
    http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=293297




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    Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

    Kijya thanks those links help a lot.

    1 thing though, idk if i missed it, but i noticed that you don't put more than 1 skill point in the bow skills? so its 1 each in strafe, multi, magic, basically all prereq? If i wanna put more in bow, should it be strafe or multi etc?



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    Re: PvM Gunslinger - Physical Bow/Lightning Java Hybrid

    Quote Originally Posted by iLoveSoccer View Post
    Kijya thanks those links help a lot.

    1 thing though, idk if i missed it, but i noticed that you don't put more than 1 skill point in the bow skills? so its 1 each in strafe, multi, magic, basically all prereq? If i wanna put more in bow, should it be strafe or multi etc?
    It's discussed in "2.3 Extra Skillpoint Distribution".




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