BVB vs Smiter???

[Tiidus]

Hey all,

Well I got a bvc who does well, except when it comes to other barbs and smiters. So thoghut about making a bvb, but how do these compared to smiters??? is it still a pretty even duel or should the bvb win easily?

[stephan]

BvB probably does probably not much better than a BvC since smite is ITD and ITB.

[mephiztophelez]

first thing, smiters come in two varieties: 1: the ezpk and 2: the nigh-on-impossible 40k defence-lifetapping-holy freezing-telesmiter.

the first one should be easily defeatable with a BvC.

the second one is a grade A PITA. a duel wielding BvB with enchant should be cracking 30k AR and has a slight advantage over a bvc. however, a bvb has poured a ton of points in Dex to get max-block, so has lower life than a BvC.

[Tiidus]

Yeah talking about the 2nd types lol. Main trouble i'm having vs them atm is not hitting them enough and when I do im life tapped so don't really do **** all in the long run.

[xxxkillerxxx]

Yeah talking about the 2nd types lol. Main trouble i'm having vs them atm is not hitting them enough and when I do im life tapped so don't really do **** all in the long run.

Most smiters nowadays are closer to 2 than 1 in difficulty even if they aren't dedicated anti barb builds. Anyway bvc is obviously better, the extra life makes a huge difference but bvb with pumped str has one advantage, you can strbug your enigma to desynch more. A friend of mine did that and he's close to impossible to hit with smite when he plays defensive lol. Best gear is normally 50% dr and gores, if you have no shame you can use fade, hsarus and max/ar/5frw scs to ease it up.

Anyway here's how you play vs telesmiters (all variants but works best vs holy freeze/slow/barbkillers); DEFWHORE. The only way to play semi-offensive is to mix ww with running and try to whirl horizontally as much as possible but you'll still lose more than you win.

So, 90%+ of your wws should be long full-screen whirls. You are most vulnerable when you start whirling after a break so use teleport moderately. Running is better if you must stop wwing. These long whirls make it hard to flash you with holy freeze. They also make it very hard to predict ww and tele in your path to smite. Basically smiter must nl tele smite which rarely works especially if you whirl down (or any direction but upwards). Avoid swamps and objects as the plague, try to stay in the open to get a clear ww path. If you still lose you can smack on clegs+doom but that shouldn't be needed. Of course if the smiter starts using widow and doesn't blow you can't win but this works vs everything else.

[theheft]

I disagree.

In my experience being flashed with holy freeze works in your favour and not against
you when whirling, when they pursue/tele after me when im frozen they get hit more times than when im un-frozen.

Life tap is annoying but if you play it right you only get hit one or twice during the whole duel.

I laugh when I see barbs trying to tri whirl smiters and they wonder they their life suddenly dissapears, you should be whirling constantly vs tele smiters so as soon as he lands you knock him into a hit recovery and your out of his range before he can smite you.

Against non tele smiters you have range 3 (or should have) and they have range 2 (99% of the time) use this to your advantage, make long whirls that just "clip" him, they will either shift smite (hardest to duel but still easy) or chase in which case you should make angled whirls cutting across their path and whirling away from them, if they run after you its game over for them straight away, if they walk it takes slightly longer but you should still win in the end.

BVC/A should beat smiters 95% anyway IMO, and I see no reason why a BVB shouldnt do the same.

I have a BVA with 6.5k life...max block with stormshield when needed and I dual wield 90% of the time (beast and grief zerkers). My life is low compared to some of the other barbs ive seen running about and I can honestly say I beat 90% of the smiters I come across in duel games.

[jaxz]

Holy freeze should screw ww up. An anti-barb smiter has like 60k def to tank any 2fpa ww with 30k ar all day.

There are 2 points why ww is superior than most melee attacks:

1) What makes ww superior above other melee attacks is because it is movin and attacking at the same time, whereas other melee skills require you to stop before attacking. By programing those skills like this, every other melee builds are screwed up. While you stop and attack, and if you missed, that barb is already one step ahead from you and had at least give you 1 hit before he goes off.

2) The servers/game are no longer updated, and is not efficient in transfering bits of data, and ww can be desynched if it was done properly, which adds to the point that you can never hit him properly with your usual melee attacks. You stop and hit at an imaginary(desynched) target, while he escapes unharmed, and land two hits on you somemore before he escapes.

But with holy freeze, the barb would not be able to desynch properly, allowing you to catch up to him. Your huge defense will allow you to tank more unless the barb have like 35-40k ar which is not possible on realm. So those tele smiters whom you think you had hit more after your barb is frozen must have crappy defense.

[theheft]

Holy freeze should screw ww up. An anti-barb smiter has like 60k def to tank any 2fpa ww with 30k ar all day.

There are 2 points why ww is superior than most melee attacks:

1) What makes ww superior above other melee attacks is because it is movin and attacking at the same time, whereas other melee skills require you to stop before attacking. By programing those skills like this, every other melee builds are screwed up. While you stop and attack, and if you missed, that barb is already one step ahead from you and had at least give you 1 hit before he goes off.

2) The servers/game are no longer updated, and is not efficient in transfering bits of data, and ww can be desynched if it was done properly, which adds to the point that you can never hit him properly with your usual melee attacks. You stop and hit at an imaginary(desynched) target, while he escapes unharmed, and land two hits on you somemore before he escapes.

But with holy freeze, the barb would not be able to desynch properly, allowing you to catch up to him. Your huge defense will allow you to tank more unless the barb have like 35-40k ar which is not possible on realm. So those tele smiters whom you think you had hit more after your barb is frozen must have crappy defense.

Whoa...wait a minute dude

Hey all,

Well I got a bvc who does well, except when it comes to other barbs and smiters. So thoghut about making a bvb, but how do these compared to smiters??? is it still a pretty even duel or should the bvb win easily?

I answered THAT question and gave advise on how to fare better. Somehow you've both turned this into an anti-barb smiter debate which wasn't what he originally asked. I gave him advise on how to beat smiters, not anti-barb smiters. If your facing an opponent built specifically to beat your build your never going to win are you?

Anyway, I know how dysnc works and use it against certain opponents, VS smiters doing the long angled cutting whirls dysncs it and they get hit before they can hit me.

HOWEVER, even when frozen via holy freeze or whatever what you need to remember you have a greater range weapon than they do, you whirl and they walk into it but as your moving slower they can get hit more as you stay within range for longer whilst they are put into a hit recovery/block motion. You may not agree with me but is form my experience in using my barb.

I'll admit that tele-smiters pose more of a threat but I stand by my advise of whirling constantly away from them and you should win. A properly played BVC should be able to beat EVERY build apart from dedicated anti barb builds.

And doesnt WW top out at 4fpa???

Any way, enough of the useless arguements.

Tiidus, if your on ladder whisper me *hefty1 and ill be more than happy to try and help you out.

[jaxz]

I do have my fare share of barb experience. I am not going to argue with you, but you should not be able to hit a smiter a lot due to his huge defense. Even if you manage to hit him once, he is going to tap it back anyway. Each and everytime he teles on you, he can hit up to 4 times. Yes, range do matter here, cuz Holy freeze is going to keep you in range for his itb/ltd attack, you are going to lose out.

What keep a barb survive is his ability to whirl fast, if you move like 1 feet per second after frozen, you are not going to make it. Tell me, how many times do you hope to hit him in one second compared to him? He is defintely going to hit more than you and even if you manage to pull ds in all hits, he is going to tap it all back with just 1 or 2 hits.

A good tele smiter is going to have 5k life at least, and that is just 1k less compared to most bvbs. If each smite takes away ~1k life, he is going to out tank you. Most of the smiters nowadays are using cube bug exiles, having 40k def at least. Unless you have the best set of steel vita gcs, angelic + hsarus + demon limb, with clegaws, boosting your at up above 30k, you can't win.

Btw, A good smiter should be able to tap you within one tele, be it you are still whirling or not.

And ww tops out at 4fpa for each weapon, so total of 2fpa. I am not factoring the first hit check in. Anyway, you should already be whirling instead of starting to whirl as he teles on top on you, so that's the reason for 2fpa. That's for clarifying your doubts, and thanks for voicing out what you are unclear about.

Anyway, i am responding to you, not him. And from your post#6, it is not about real anti-barbs or normal smiters, but generally, most smiters I see in pub games in my realm are anti-barb smiters, so if they are not, why would they bother hostiling you in the first place and then lose in the next? If they have the confidence to hostile you, then they must have the necessary equips to do so. And a bvc should have the same AR as a bvb, with the exception of having more life, so if a bvc already has some problems, a bvb should have more problems then.

Are you on west? But anyway, I am not here to prove you are wrong. I believe you are an experience barb player as well in your realm.

[Tiidus]

Yeah Jaxz that's what I find. Ive got 7.7k life. 50% dmg reduce but theres no way I can kill a good smiter in less than 3-5ww's. By this time he has life tap on me and its game over. Even with shift smite a well geared smiter, beats me most of the time.

Any tips? I know ppl say just clip them, but ive tried this and seem to hit smiters even less this way.

Would a bvb not do alot better than a bvc, due to the the large dmg increase and increased ar?

Ans yes im on west