This will take some getting used to

[bg1256]

You can install a second OS on all the new Macs with BootCamp, you can do it on a generic box if you want to download a hacked ISO of OS X and break a lot of laws.

The former I knew was possible. Boot Camp seems nice. I wish something as polishd as that existed for Linux. Wine, Cedega, and crossover office just don't cut it.

The latter I did not realize was possible. Seems like Apple would have a pretty advanced method of keeping such hacked systems from existing.

[DurfBarian]

The former I knew was possible. Boot Camp seems nice. I wish something as polishd as that existed for Linux. Wine, Cedega, and crossover office just don't cut it.

Something does; it's called "booting into Windows instead." All BootCamp does is give you a burnable CD of drivers you need to make XP SP2 or Vista work smoothly on the Mac hardware; beyond that it's just a matter of partitioning (or installing on another drive) and rebooting to the OS of your choice.

There are things like the software options from VMware and Parallels that let you launch Windows apps from within the Mac OS. With BootCamp it's an either/or situation though.

The latter I did not realize was possible. Seems like Apple would have a pretty advanced method of keeping such hacked systems from existing.

Apple doesn't really proactively go out to break these attempts, but it sure doesn't give any thought to designing its updates to avoid breaking them. There's good info on the process of creating your very own FrankenMac here:
http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

Now that you can actually go out and buy a DVD with OS 10.5 on it, this isn't quite as legally iffy as it used to be when the only option was downloading a hacked disk image taken from an Intel Mac 10.4 install. You're still on your own for support.

[bg1256]

Something does; it's called "booting into Windows instead." All BootCamp does is give you a burnable CD of drivers you need to make XP SP2 or Vista work smoothly on the Mac hardware; beyond that it's just a matter of partitioning (or installing on another drive) and rebooting to the OS of your choice.

There are things like the software options from VMware and Parallels that let you launch Windows apps from within the Mac OS. With BootCamp it's an either/or situation though.

Hmmm. I guess I've misunderstood boot camp. I thought Boot Camp launched from within OS X.

A few weeks back during reading week before finals, I saw someone with a MacBook who had a windows XP install running in a windowed mode from withing OS X Leopard. What would that have been, VMWare?

Apple doesn't really proactively go out to break these attempts, but it sure doesn't give any thought to designing its updates to avoid breaking them. There's good info on the process of creating your very own FrankenMac here:
http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

Now that you can actually go out and buy a DVD with OS 10.5 on it, this isn't quite as legally iffy as it used to be when the only option was downloading a hacked disk image taken from an Intel Mac 10.4 install. You're still on your own for support.

By legally iffy, do you mean it's legal? I'm not sure why you would do it. If you want a Mac, just buy one. Seems like trying to keep it from breaking would be a giant pain in the ***.

[DurfBarian]

Hmmm. I guess I've misunderstood boot camp. I thought Boot Camp launched from within OS X.

There is some sort of partitioning utility that runs inside OS X, but once everything's installed you just have a computer with two OSs onboard.

A few weeks back during reading week before finals, I saw someone with a MacBook who had a windows XP install running in a windowed mode from withing OS X Leopard. What would that have been, VMWare?

Yeah, either that or Parallels.

By legally iffy, do you mean it's legal? I'm not sure why you would do it. If you want a Mac, just buy one. Seems like trying to keep it from breaking would be a giant pain in the ***.

Hey, some people like that sort of pain from their computers. :cool: I doubt it's entirely on the up-and-up, seeing as the licensing agreement on the OS install includes something about installing it only on Apple-badged hardware, but to my knowledge Apple hasn't ever dealt out a legal beatdown on some guy who stuck 10.5 on his Dell.

[{KOW}Spazed]

I'm pretty sure you can't use a standard install disk, part of the hack was to remove keys from the kernel to skip the "this is really a Mac system" check. I'm not hugely up to date on it, but I know in the beginning that was the issue and why it remained based off of a Dev preview for so long.

[BobCox]

Something does; it's called "booting into Windows instead." All BootCamp does is give you a burnable CD of drivers you need to make XP SP2 or Vista work smoothly on the Mac hardware; beyond that it's just a matter of partitioning (or installing on another drive) and rebooting to the OS of your choice.

There are things like the software options from VMware and Parallels that let you launch Windows apps from within the Mac OS. With BootCamp it's an either/or situation though.



Apple doesn't really proactively go out to break these attempts, but it sure doesn't give any thought to designing its updates to avoid breaking them. There's good info on the process of creating your very own FrankenMac here:
http://wiki.osx86project.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

Now that you can actually go out and buy a DVD with OS 10.5 on it, this isn't quite as legally iffy as it used to be when the only option was downloading a hacked disk image taken from an Intel Mac 10.4 install. You're still on your own for support.

"Truth"
Buy you copy use 1 copy - hobbyist type fair use. I like that the choice is out there.
VMWare is boot them at the same time same hardware virtually.

[{KOW}Spazed]

"Truth"
Buy you copy use 1 copy - hobbyist type fair use. I like that the choice is out there.
VMWare is boot them at the same time same hardware virtually.

The 'hobbyist fair use" is trumped as soon as it becomes your main box or you stop using in in an educational manner. Either way I'm wondering how it would stand up against the DMCA violations of installing it.

[bg1256]

There is some sort of partitioning utility that runs inside OS X, but once everything's installed you just have a computer with two OSs onboard.

Interesting. One less reason to want a Mac. If boot camp is little more than dual-booting, then I see no reason to not use a Linux/Widows dual-boot machine.

That said, I don't need any Mac-only software. I know many people do.

Realistically, if I could afford a pimped out MBP, I would own one. But for now, I'm content with what I have.

[{KOW}Spazed]

Parallels and VMWare actually boot Windows inside a window in OS X, with cohesion you can just start up a Windows app without seeing the rest of the environment.

[bg1256]

Interesting. I've got VMWare running on my Linux box, but it doesn't have good directx support to my knowledge.