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    Re: Amazon Tables (IAS, FCR, FHR, FBR, FRW and some more!)

    no one looks at sigs. Quick, what does mine say?

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    Re: Amazon Tables (IAS, FCR, FHR, FBR, FRW and some more!)

    I couldnt have quoted it word for word, but (without looking) I could have said it was a doctor who quote from a doctor/companion duo that I've seen (read: recent).

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    Re: Amazon Tables (IAS, FCR, FHR, FBR, FRW and some more!)

    This is the best thread in the whole site.

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    Re: Amazon Tables (IAS, FCR, FHR, FBR, FRW and some more!)

    While this is not a sticky, it is linked in a sticky so I thought it would be best to respond to it rather than starting new threads.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kijya View Post
    "Facts And Formula Archive"
    Type: Guide
    Author: Dracoy
    Updated: 2004-06-08
    Made with the help of forum members from diabloii.net.

    "faster run walk breakpoint"
    Type: Forum Post/Thread
    Date: 2007-02-22
    Formulas by Tommi Gustaffson, posted by SSoG showing how
    FRW determines your speed depending on if you are walking,
    running or using charge.

    "Valkyrie damage?"
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    Date: 2005-05-01
    Post made by Leohappy containing the info on at what levels
    the valkyrie gets her equipment upgraded, and what the
    upgrade is.
    The Facts And Formula Archive link is defunct, and the other links need to be updated since they are currently broken (at least for me). Replace diabloii.net/showthread.php?p= with diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php? (including this thread's internal links).

    faster run walk breakpoint
    http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/s...alk-breakpoint

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    http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/s...alkyrie-damage

    Quote Originally Posted by Kijya View Post
    01: Breakpoints (FCR, FHR, FBR)
    Code:
    Cast Rate       Block Rate         Explinations
    Frames  FCR     Swinging Weapons   Why are there two blocking tables?
    19      0       Frames  FBR        Amazons have a far slower blocking animation
    18      7       17      0          when  using 1-h swinging  weapons then  when
    17      14      16      4          using other weapons.
    16      22      15      6
    15      32      14      11         Dodge/avoid/evade speeds?
    14      48      13      15         These  skills  are  locked at 8 frames.  You
    13      68      12      23         cannot  increase  their speeds.
    12      99      11      29
    11      152     10      40
                    9       56
    Hit Recovery    8       80
    Frames  FHR     7       120
    11      0       6       200
    10      6
    9       13      Block Rate
    8       20      Frames  FBR
    7       32      5       0
    6       52      4       13
    5       86      3       32
    4       174     2       86
    3       600     1       600
    Dodge, Avoid and Evade animations are not locked at 8 frames: their length can be reduced by Fanaticism and, more significantly, increased by cold length, Holy Freeze and Slows Target (but not Decrepify, for some reason). Consult the Paladin Blocking as Werebear topic in the Amazon Basin's Technical Discussion forum and the AB Diablo II wiki's Dodge page for details.

    Both the Beast and Faith Rune Words' Fanaticism Aura When Equipped reduce Dodge, Avoid and Evade animations from 8 to 6 frames in the absence of cold length, Holy Freeze and Slows Target.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kijya View Post
    02: Run/Walk Speed (FRW)
    Code:
    Runspeed      Instructions
    FRW  Speed    Armor and Sheild Penalty
    0    6        The table only shows the base runspeed depending on your FRW from
    5    6,16     items,  without any penalties  or speed increasing skills active.
    10   6,36     If you care  about your runspeed I assume  you are only  going to
    15   6,52     use light armor and shields.  If you do use medium or heavy armor
    20   6,68     or shields,  then you will  have to subtract 0,2  for each medium
    25   6,84     piece and 0,4 for each heavy. Example:
    30   7
    35   7,12     Lets say our amazon has 120 frw from items,  she uses heavy armor
    40   7,24     (plate mail), and a medium sheild (large shield).  This gives us:
    45   7,36     8,64 - 0,4 - 0,2 = 8,04 yards per second.
    50   7,48
    55   7,6      Harmony Vigor Aura
    60   7,68     The only source of  skill baised FRW an  Amazon can aquire on her
    65   7,8      own items is the level 10 vigor aura on harmony. It will increase
    70   7,88     your runspeed with 1,44 yards per second.
    75   8
    80   8,08     If we use our previous example our amazon would get:
    85   8,16     8,04 + 1,44 = 9,48 yards per second.
    90   8,24
    95   8,32     Walkspeed?
    100  8,4      Your walkspeed is 2 yards per second slower then your runspeed.
    110  8,52
    120  8,64     Exact runspeed?
    130  8,76     If you have  FRW amount not listed in the table,  you can use the
    140  8,88     formula below. Armor penalty is -5 for medium, and -10 for heavy.
    150  9        
    160  9,08     Runspeed = 6 + SkillFRW + ArmourPenalty +  6 * ItemFRW 
    170  9,16                              25               ItemFRW + 150
    Base run speed is actually 9 yards per second, while base walk speed is actually 6 yards per second. Tommi Gustaffson mistakenly multiplied 9 tile units per second and 6 tile units per second by 2/3, believing that this referred to adjacent tile units like radius measurements (each tile unit is 2/3 by 2/3 yard square). However, movement speed is measured in tile units corner to corner.

    Spoiler


    Consult the Clarification of movement speed topic in the Amazon Basin's Technical Discussion forum for details.

    Consequently +1% Effective Faster Run/Walk increases movement speed by 0.06 yards per second, so medium armour or shield (-5) reduces it by 0.3 yards/s and heavy armour or shield (-10) reduces it by 0.6 yards/s. Harmony's Level 10 Vigor Aura When Equipped applies +36% EFRW, increases movement speed by 2.16 yards/s. Basically, all yards/s values should be multiplied by 1.5 (3/2).

    Quote Originally Posted by Kijya View Post
    10: Strafe IAS Breakponts (Bow)
    Code:
    No Fanaticism Aura                          EIAS Table
    Strafe Sequence         -10  0    5    10   Strafe Sequence        EIAS
    7,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4+8                  0    8,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4+9  -20
    7,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4+7             0    5    8,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4+8  -15
    6,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3+7   0    0    10   15   7,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4+8  -14
    6,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3+6   5    15   20   30   7,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4+7  -8
    5,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3+6   -    -    35   45   6,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3+7  0
    5,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3+5   15   30   40   50   6,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3+6  11
    5,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3+4   40   60   70   80   5,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3+6  21
    4,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2+5   60   90   105  120  5,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3+5  23
    4,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2+4   80   115  135  160  5,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3+4  38
                                                4,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2+5  50
    Level 12 Fanaticism                         4,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2+4  58
    Strafe Sequence         -10  0    5    10
    5,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3+6                  0    Explanations
    5,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3+5        0    0    5    -10 0 5 10
    5,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3+4   0    10   15   20   Weapon WSM. (See List of Bows)
    4,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2+5   10   25   30   40
    4,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2+4   20   35   45   55   Strafe Sequence
                                                Full strafe sequence of 10 arrows.
    Level 13 Fanaticism                         First number is the frames  before
    Strafe Sequence         -10  0    5    10   the  first  arrow is  fired,  then
    5,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3+6                  0    comes  the follow-up attacks  each
    5,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3+5        0    0    5    with  their  own  delay  from  the
    5,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3+4   0    10   15   20   previous.  Last  number  after the
    4,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2+5   10   25   30   40   plus sign is  the frames  it takes
    4,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2+4   20   35   45   55   for  the animation  to  end  after
                                                the last arrow has been fired.
    Level 14/15 Fanaticism
    Strafe Sequence         -10  0    5    10   Red Marked
    5,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3+5        0    0    0    These speeds are bugged, video
    5,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3+4   0    10   15   20   demonstration here.
    4,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2+5   10   20   30   35
    4,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2,2+4   20   35   40   50
    The bug resulting in the last two Strafe breakpoints being 4/2/7 and 4/2/6 on the client but actually 4/3/7 and 4/3/6 on the server has led many to believe that these breakpoints are either completely or mostly pointless.

    While it's true that a single Strafe sequence will only actually be one frame shorter on the server at 50 EIAS than 38 EIAS and two frames shorter at 58 EIAS than 38 EIAS, when firing continuously the Strafe sequence on the server gets interrupted when that on the client ends, and a new one begins on both client and server. While this can result in previous Strafe sequences firing fewer arrows than they should, it can also eliminate the wind-down of the animation on the server and still result in more arrows per second.

    Quote Originally Posted by onderduiker View Post
    When firing a bow continuously, Strafe's maximum attack rate against 2-9 targets (3.125 frames per arrow) requires 50 EIAS and level 28-31 Strafe (minimum 9 arrows); maximum attack rate against 10 targets (3.25/arrow) requires 58 EIAS, but this is only ~3.85% faster than 50 EIAS and level 28-31 Strafe. Maximum attack rate against a single target (5/arrow) can be reached with 50 EIAS and level 8-11 (minimum 4 arrows) or level 28-31 Strafe, or 58 EIAS and level 1-3 Strafe (minimum 2 arrows).

    So against all but the maximum 10 targets, 50 EIAS and level 28-31 Strafe will achieve maximum attack rate. This corresponds to the first of the bugged Strafe IAS Breakpoints (Bow), which means a Grand Matron Bow requires the following:

    • 120 IAS without Fanaticism
    • 39 IAS with level 12 Fanaticism
    • 37 IAS with level 13 Fanaticism
    • 35 IAS with level 14-15 Fanaticism

    Unfortunately, Strafe's attack rate is even more complicated than widely believed, due to the desynchronisation between client and server, number of arrows and its next delay. For more detail consult the Amazon Basin Diablo II wiki's Amazon attack rate page and the analysis reported in the Crushing Blow and Strafe topic, from this post onwards.

    ...

    As noted above, when firing a bow continuously 9/3 (5/3/7) with 38 EIAS is not Strafe's maximum attack rate: level 28-31 Strafe (minimum 9 arrows) and 38 EIAS averages 33/9 or ~3.67 frames per arrow while 50 EIAS averages 3.125/arrow when firing on 2-9 targets, which is ~17.33% faster. For comparison purposes, a 7 frame normal Attack is ~14.29% faster than an 8 frame Attack, while an 8 frame Attack is 12.5% faster than a 9 frame Attack.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kijya View Post
    13: Strafe IAS Breakpoints (Crossbow)
    Code:
    No Fanaticism Aura                          EIAS Table
    Strafe Sequence        -60 -40 -10 0   10   Strafe Sequence          EIAS
    11,6,6,6,6,6,6,6,6,6+11                0    11,6,6,6,6,6,6,6,6,6+11  -10
    10,6,6,6,6,6,6,6,6,6+10                10   10,6,6,6,6,6,6,6,6,6+11  -9
    9,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5+10             0   15   10,6,6,6,6,6,6,6,6,6+10  -5
    9,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5+9          0   10  25   9,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5+10   0
    9,4,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5+9              15  30   9,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5+9    8
    8,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5+8          10  20  35   9,4,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5+9    12
    8,5,4,5,4,5,4,5,4,5+8          15  25  45   8,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5+9    13
    8,5,4,5,4,5,4,5,4,5+7              30       8,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5,5+8    15
    8,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4+7          20  35  50   8,5,4,5,4,5,4,5,4,5+8    21
    7,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4+8          25  40  60   8,5,4,5,4,5,4,5,4,5+7    24
    7,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4+7      0   30  50  70   8,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4+7    25
    7,3,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4+7          50  70  95   7,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4+8    29
    7,3,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4+6      10  55  75  105  7,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4+7    34
    6,4,3,4,3,4,3,4,3,4+6  0   15  60  90  120  7,3,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4+7    43
    6,4,3,4,3,4,3,4,3,4+5      30  90  125 175  7,3,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4+6    46
    6,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3+5  10  35  110 155 215  6,4,3,4,3,4,3,4,3,4+6    50
                                                6,4,3,4,3,4,3,4,3,4+5    61
    Level 12 Fanaticism                         6,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3+5    67
    Strafe Sequence        -60 -40 -10 0   10
    8,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4+7                  0    Explanations
    7,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4+8              0   10   -60 -40 -10 0 10
    7,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4+7          0       15   Weapon WSM.
    7,3,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4+7              15  30
    7,3,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4+6              20  35   Strafe Sequence
    6,4,3,4,3,4,3,4,3,4+6          10  25  40   Full strafe sequence of 10 arrows.
    6,4,3,4,3,4,3,4,3,4+5          25  40  60   the  first  arrow is  fired,  then
    6,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3+5  0   0   35  55  75   comes  the follow-up attacks  each
                                                with  their  own  delay  from  the
    Level 13 Fanaticism                         previous.  Last  number  after the
    Strafe Sequence        -60 -40 -10 0   10   plus sign is  the frames  it takes
    8,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4+7                  0    for  the animation  to  end  after
    7,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4+8              0   10   the last arrow has been fired.
    7,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4+7          0       15
    7,3,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4+7              15
    7,3,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4+6              20  30
    6,4,3,4,3,4,3,4,3,4+6          10  25  40
    6,4,3,4,3,4,3,4,3,4+5          25  40  60
    6,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3+5  0   0   35  50  75
    
    Level 14/15 Fanaticism
    Strafe Sequence        -60 -40 -10 0   10
    8,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4+7                  0
    7,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4+8              0   10
    7,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4+7                  15
    7,3,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4+7          0       25
    7,3,4,4,4,4,4,4,4,4+6              15  30
    6,4,3,4,3,4,3,4,3,4+6          10  20  35
    6,4,3,4,3,4,3,4,3,4+5          25  40  60
    6,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3,3+5  0   0   30  50  70
    The Strafe bug also applies to the last three breakpoints with crossbows (50, 61 and 67 EIAS).
    Last edited by onderduiker; 01-06-2013 at 18:42.

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    Re: Amazon Tables (IAS, FCR, FHR, FBR, FRW and some more!)

    Quote Originally Posted by onderduiker View Post
    While this is not a sticky, it is linked in a sticky so I thought it would be best to respond to it rather than starting new threads.



    The Facts And Formula Archive link is defunct, and the other links need to be updated since they are currently broken (at least for me). Replace diabloii.net/showthread.php?p= with diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php? (including this thread's internal links).
    Thanks for the heads up. I will track down the proper threads and relink them. Give me a few days to complete.
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    Re: Amazon Tables (IAS, FCR, FHR, FBR, FRW and some more!)

    Apologies if this is considered a necro. I'm an old newbie (returned after ten years). Lots of dead links in the top post this thread. Was looking for crossbow IAS breakpoints.

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    Re: Amazon Tables (IAS, FCR, FHR, FBR, FRW and some more!)

    No problem posting in a help thread like this one.

    Here are a couple threads. Give me a bit of time to find the broken links and I'll fix the main post in here.

    http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/s...AS-breakpoints

    http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/s...t=crossbow+ias
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    Re: Amazon Tables (IAS, FCR, FHR, FBR, FRW and some more!)

    The first seven links in the opening post are simply links to posts in this thread:

    Post 1
    Post 2 - General
    Post 3 - Bows
    Post 4 - Crossbows
    Post 5 - Javelins
    Post 6 - Spears
    Post 7 - Other Weapons

    The Facts and Formula Archive is defunct.

    From my previous post:

    "faster run walk breakpoint"

    "Valkyrie damage?"

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    Re: Amazon Tables (IAS, FCR, FHR, FBR, FRW and some more!)

    Agree with you point onderduiker.
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