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    Then you probably have optimal equipment.




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    very very close. But thats not the point.




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    @ throttle; just try a psn necro its fun and then you can see, why psn necro does not use bone armor:lipsrsealed:



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    Quote Originally Posted by asakuraaa View Post
    @ throttle; just try a psn necro its fun and then you can see, why psn necro does not use bone armor:lipsrsealed:
    PSN nec doesn't use bone armor? I would say that bone armor is crucial vs melee. Also, I would say that stormshield is a must if you are not very defensive, and being defensive on a psn nec is rather difficult because of he low range of nova.

    Also, from my relatively limited experience with a psn nec you can expect two things:

    1. people will stack res vs you up to the point that they not only prebuff with antidotes but also chug ones during duels (not to mention running to akara all the time)
    2. zerk>ww, good barbs will zerk psn necs (or necs in general perhaps, my bone nec is still in the making) - bypassing the bone armor is a huge factor in those duels. Having duelled with Moritz and Imbecile from dii.net I am tempted to say that zerk is the main danger, ww can be "negated" by block and bone armor, if you don't block berzerk you are as good as dead :wink3:



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    Quote Originally Posted by Summerfun View Post
    very very close. But thats not the point.
    How is that not the point? I said that you need optimal equipment to have over 2k life, and you somehow argued against me by saying that your necro has over 2k life with optimal equipment.

    In terms of stats, life, block etc., a poisonmancer is almost the same as a bonemancer. I don't need to make a new necro who is identical to one of the several that I already have except for the skillset to know what kind of numbers you get. If you don't have optimal or near-optimal (the right runewords, uniques and rares socketed with the correct jewels/runes, life and fhr skillers, anni, torch etc.) then you might find yourself with less than 2k life. I consider 2k life the absolute minimum to safely bring into a duel, so I warned players not to attempt to make a poisonmancer (or bonemancer, for that matter) if they can't achieve this without sacrificing other things.

    Besides, I actually do have a poisonmancer, I just don't play him much because he was made back when I didn't have the kind of items I have now, and because I prefer other builds.




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    PSN nec doesn't use bone armor? I would say that bone armor is crucial vs melee.
    The poison skills give no synergies to bone armor, so a poisonmancer's bone armor won't be nearly as strong as a bonemancer's. Some do use it; some poisonmancers don't, or choose to just keep it as a 1-pointer instead and spend the points on something else, such as summoning skills.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Throttle View Post
    The poison skills give no synergies to bone armor, so a poisonmancer's bone armor won't be nearly as strong as a bonemancer's. Some do use it; some poisonmancers don't, or choose to just keep it as a 1-pointer instead and spend the points on something else, such as summoning skills.
    exactly, for using bone armor for real, you need 41 points, 1point for bonearmor and the 40 for the synergy -> wich counts as well as synergie for the other bone spells.

    vs. meelys just dont get hit :o)
    @ mike, make a ladder char and you can try it out on me

    and spirit > stormshield, i think the only critical fights are vs. bowamas and fho'ers.



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    I don't know if I'm doing something wrong but, i can't kill anything in PvP. Anyone can help me here? I'm partially PvM but mostly PvP.

    Here is my skills:
    20 poison nova
    20 poison explosion
    20 poison dagger
    +req
    20 bone wall
    1 bone armor

    1 skellies
    1 skellies mastery
    1 golem masterie
    1 summon res
    1 clay golem
    1 all curses except Dim vision, confuse and attract.

    Here is my gear (not finish tho)

    2-2 Deathweb with 5/-5 in it (2-2, -52 psn res)
    Enigma (or 46% Bramble)
    Shako (ISO: Gg necro circlet)
    3 PnB ammy (ISO: Gg necro ammy!!)
    Pdiamond' Homunculus
    Trang Gloves
    Arach
    RavenFrost (cannot be frozen +20dex)
    NagelRing (ISO: gg ring)
    Sandstorm Trek
    2x 12fhr skiller
    14 life skiller
    6 plain skiller
    Anny
    Torch
    4x5fhr + minor res
    CTA + Spirit on switch

    With all my gear on, I have these stats:
    Level 90
    163 str
    197 Dex (max block)
    357 Vit
    82 Energy

    1610 Life (with bo)
    669 mana (with bo)

    7k-8k nova dmg (with enigma + 3 skiller, anni, torch)
    I do 10k-11k with bramble + full skiller. I do 8k-9k without bramble and full skiller!
    -61 all res

    My res arent max at all:
    4 fire res
    41 cold
    0 light
    43 psn

    I've followed this guide, but still, i'm disappointed !


    After all these godly, i can't kill anyone in PvP. I think i lack in FCR. Can anyone help me here cauz i'm really frustrated after all these efforts. I want that poison nec to work! Anyone got a video to show me how u kill ppl ? (technique)

    Thx!



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    Quote Originally Posted by asakuraaa View Post
    exactly, for using bone armor for real, you need 41 points, 1point for bonearmor and the 40 for the synergy -> wich counts as well as synergie for the other bone spells.

    vs. meelys just dont get hit :o)
    @ mike, make a ladder char and you can try it out on me

    and spirit > stormshield, i think the only critical fights are vs. bowamas and fho'ers.
    My psn nec is currently stripped but I am quite sure my bone armor absorbed around 500 dmg and helped a lot vs melee (it was a max block nec).

    As for the need for max block, I am surprised that you didn't list barbs as a major threat.

    Given the low range of poison nova it isn't that easy not to get hit vs quick lockers.

    Quote Originally Posted by thioacetamide View Post
    I don't know if I'm doing something wrong but, i can't kill anything in PvP. Anyone can help me here? I'm partially PvM but mostly PvP.

    Here is my skills:
    20 poison nova
    20 poison explosion
    20 poison dagger
    +req
    20 bone wall
    1 bone armor

    1 skellies
    1 skellies mastery
    1 golem masterie
    1 summon res
    1 clay golem
    1 all curses except Dim vision, confuse and attract.

    Here is my gear (not finish tho)

    2-2 Deathweb with 5/-5 in it (2-2, -52 psn res)
    Enigma (or 46% Bramble)
    Shako (ISO: Gg necro circlet)
    3 PnB ammy (ISO: Gg necro ammy!!)
    Pdiamond' Homunculus
    Trang Gloves
    Arach
    RavenFrost (cannot be frozen +20dex)
    NagelRing (ISO: gg ring)
    Sandstorm Trek
    2x 12fhr skiller
    14 life skiller
    6 plain skiller
    Anny
    Torch
    4x5fhr + minor res
    CTA + Spirit on switch

    With all my gear on, I have these stats:
    Level 90
    163 str
    197 Dex (max block)
    357 Vit
    82 Energy

    1610 Life (with bo)
    669 mana (with bo)

    7k-8k nova dmg (with enigma + 3 skiller, anni, torch)
    I do 10k-11k with bramble + full skiller. I do 8k-9k without bramble and full skiller!
    -61 all res

    My res arent max at all:
    4 fire res
    41 cold
    0 light
    43 psn

    I've followed this guide, but still, i'm disappointed !


    After all these godly, i can't kill anyone in PvP. I think i lack in FCR. Can anyone help me here cauz i'm really frustrated after all these efforts. I want that poison nec to work! Anyone got a video to show me how u kill ppl ? (technique)

    Thx!
    Your life is very low, my welfare psn nec had around 2200 life with rather low skillers and crappy small charms at level 90.

    The biggest problem I've experienced on a psn nec was getting good fhr with mediocre gear if you go for max block (I did) and thus lose the spirit monarch. In order to achieve 86% fhr (which is the recommended breakpoint) i was forced to use shadowdancers (30 fhr) and 3 or 4 fhr skillers.

    I would also say that 125 fcr breakpoint is not just a good thing, it's a must. It helps both with escaping locks and with drive by psn-nova laying.

    Given your resistances I would definitely give up using Dweb and get a wizzy instead, 50 fcr and 75% res all are just amazing.

    Get some fcr rings with sought after mods such as life, dex, mana, resistances, etc. My psn nec had over 1k mana when I still played him. As for your current nagelring almost any ring will work better :smiley:

    Don't use bramble, use enigma - mobility is king these days.

    I'd go for a crafted amulet or with mara's kaleidoscope since it would boost your battle orders by two levels which is a good thing Shako isn't bad but when you aim at 125 fcr it will most likely have to be replaced by a fcr circlet in the max block setup.

    Stormshield is the choice of shield for when you face melee, max block itself is nice, max block with 40+dr is much better, I used a ber'ed storm.

    The verdict :laugh: Your life is low and you have horrible resistances which is probably why you don't kill too many people in games - it's quite possible that you get 1hit pk'ed by a high dmg hammer or fireball while your damage needs a short while to kill. I bet ES based sorcs cry a lot when you enter though

    Also, you don't seem to mention fire golem, if you have one summoned you can aurakill others after you got them to 1 life with novas.



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    So my stats and skills are ok, i just have to switch my gear to pvp and i'm ready to rumble?!

    I know shako and rings will go away! I jsut need to find some gg stuff!



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