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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptnSparrow View Post
    I don't like the fact that every elemental character's counter strategy was "Sorb."



    I'm surprised your Novamancer strat wasn't "Belt full of Anidotes eZ"
    Well why dont you go and make a better guide ay?

    Post a rude comment, expect one back.




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    Quote Originally Posted by soul killer View Post
    THE MAX BLOCK BONE NECRO!!!
    A good Bone Nec can perform flawless victories when your opponent is off your screen
    *skilless victories (and usually ibs spam is ineffective anyways)

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    BOOTS- Treks FTW here, dont see any other boots that can match Treks. 20FHR, 15Vita and FR/W make
    these boots the top choice.
    Eth ones are nice but awfully expensive.
    Shadowdancers > Treks for max block necs, especially with
    a stormshield.
    Quote Originally Posted by soul killer View Post
    Stormshield is also a favorite and perhaps>homunculus in terms of dueling Melee and Zons.
    Ber (only Cham for Windies) that Stormshield and youll have an extremly powerful shield which will make zons, barbs, pallys
    and other builds focused around physical damage cry.
    With Stormshield you will have 43% DR (51 if you choose to Ber it) and Max Block, very important when dueling barbs
    and especially those pesky zons.
    So stormshield's dr is basically more effective in... any situation requiring block?
    Isn't that the premise of a max block build?

    Quote Originally Posted by soul killer View Post
    iBS- Invisible Bone Spirit is your secret weapon to gg victories offscreen.
    iBS occurs after youve clicked on the place you want the Spirit to go to, it goes to that place and if it does find a target, it turns
    invisible (to your opponent) but still tracks.
    Your opponent is getting hit but cant see it. (Just like Invisible Guided Arrow and Blessed Hammer).
    Not quite how ibs works...

    Quote Originally Posted by soul killer View Post
    BvC- This can either very easy or very hard, very interesting duel.
    The first thing BvCs tend to do is run after you with there astronomically high run speed, Tele far away until they ease off, spam Spirits in their direction when you see them on the mini map, they will run straight for you
    and tele when your about 0.5 of a screen away for them.
    As soon as you see the tele flash you tele South and Spam Spirits, then when they get close tele North and Spam Spirits.
    If they run around with Spirits after them, use the Teeth Trick.
    Barbs should be easy...
    Spamming spirits alone doesn't work too well.
    Namelock spears work wonders vs barbs.
    I don't see many barbs literally run straight after necs... well, none actually.

    Quote Originally Posted by soul killer View Post
    Hammerdins- Hard if their good (i.e using h4x)
    A hammerdin should be easy for a nec no matter what

    Quote Originally Posted by soul killer View Post
    FoH- Hard, Easy if your sorb.
    SORB HARD HERE, but dont go under 75FCR.
    160 monarch anyone?

    Quote Originally Posted by soul killer View Post
    Windies- Hard.
    Get out your Chamd SS and go into the fray....
    Good Windies are very hard to duel.
    Dont tele, get lots of frw and run them, they will catch you if you tele (thier bp>yours)
    Teeth off the minions and them go offensive, spiriting and spearing them.
    You have the basic idea, though druid's fcr isn't as fast as yours (stunlock is what f*cks people up)
    Though I don't understand why you don't just ber the ss and use a cham's circ or ravenfrost. 7% dr will make a difference.

    Quote Originally Posted by soul killer View Post

    ASSASINS

    Trappers- Medium.
    Try to get FHR Gcs to get to 86FHR and then just spirit/teeth them.
    Tele into their traps and just spirit.
    Rinse and repeat until one of yous dies :P
    "One of you dies" will ALWAYS be you if you use that horrendous strategy...
    Hint, cast golems.

    Quote Originally Posted by soul killer View Post
    Ghost Sin (WW/Trapper Hybrid)- Hard..
    Always when your on low life (and so are they) they will come to you and try to finish with a ww.
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    Quote Originally Posted by soul killer View Post
    They finish people with mindblasts when they're low :/ ?

    ZONS :P
    Bowazons- Medium.
    Be really defensive here and watch for those killer multi spams, DONT RUN.
    Never play defensive; similarly bone prison is unnecessary and in many cases bm (as most zons don't wear nigma...). Get spirits on them, cut them off and teeth them into dodgelock.

    Quote Originally Posted by soul killer View Post
    NECROMANCERS

    Bonemancer- Hard if theyre good.
    Crap ones will just tele around spam stuff, get close to em and fire off some spirits and theyre toast.
    Good ones will go try to namelock you and are usually very good at doing this.
    You stay defensive and try to see the namlock coming, and teeth them to kill and minions they mite have.
    Once youve done that go spiriting and spearing them, teething occasionally when they come close.
    Very important here to be able to tell the difference between your spirits and your opponents.
    When you see theyve got low life, go offensive and teeth/spear them, dont get scared to get close.
    West NvN isn't teeth/spear only.....?

    Quote Originally Posted by soul killer View Post
    Not gonna do Sorcs because everyone knows how to duel a sorc.
    Just sorb and watch out!!!
    What about a gm duel?
    There's much more to it than just sorbing and spamming as well.


    A for effort, but that's it D:




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    West NvN is usually spear/teeth only.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Camden View Post
    *skilless victories (and usually ibs spam is ineffective anyways)



    Shadowdancers > Treks for max block necs, especially with
    a stormshield.

    So stormshield's dr is basically more effective in... any situation requiring block?
    Isn't that the premise of a max block build?



    Not quite how ibs works...



    Barbs should be easy...
    Spamming spirits alone doesn't work too well.
    Namelock spears work wonders vs barbs.
    I don't see many barbs literally run straight after necs... well, none actually.



    A hammerdin should be easy for a nec no matter what



    160 monarch anyone?



    You have the basic idea, though druid's fcr isn't as fast as yours (stunlock is what f*cks people up)
    Though I don't understand why you don't just ber the ss and use a cham's circ or ravenfrost. 7% dr will make a difference.


    "One of you dies" will ALWAYS be you if you use that horrendous strategy...
    Hint, cast golems.

    Never play defensive; similarly bone prison is unnecessary and in many cases bm (as most zons don't wear nigma...). Get spirits on them, cut them off and teeth them into dodgelock.



    West NvN isn't teeth/spear only.....?


    What about a gm duel?
    There's much more to it than just sorbing and spamming as well.


    A for effort, but that's it D:[/QUOTE]

    1) No there not.
    2) Im just giving some other sheild options, yes In some situations Homunc is useful too.
    3) Well how does iBS work then?
    4) Yeah lol namelock spear and wait there to ww you when your right next to em.
    I like my strat becasue it works for me, and yes I have dueled good bvcs.
    5) Yeah agree with you there, but losts of em use hacks.
    6) 160 Monarch...yeah? Ive got one and I use it.
    7) Well if I cham the circ, ill loose my gfg ^^ 56FHR bp. If I wear a raven, ill loose my 125FCR bp....lol
    8) Yeah I see ho that strat can be good, thx.
    9) I like spearing them offscreen.
    10) Yes it is, but I dont like it.
    I like to use all my atks on the enemy and surprise them, It works for me.

    Well thx for that breakdown of my guide, Ill take all this into account and update it in the near future.




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    Quote Originally Posted by soul killer View Post

    1) No there not.
    2) Im just giving some other sheild options, yes In some situations Homunc is useful too.
    3) Well how does iBS work then?
    4) Yeah lol namelock spear and wait there to ww you when your right next to em.
    I like my strat becasue it works for me, and yes I have dueled good bvcs.
    5) Yeah agree with you there, but losts of em use hacks.
    6) 160 Monarch...yeah? Ive got one and I use it.
    7) Well if I cham the circ, ill loose my gfg ^^ 56FHR bp. If I wear a raven, ill loose my 125FCR bp....lol
    8) Yeah I see ho that strat can be good, thx.
    9) I like spearing them offscreen.
    10) Yes it is, but I dont like it.
    I like to use all my atks on the enemy and surprise them, It works for me.

    Well thx for that breakdown of my guide, Ill take all this into account and update it in the near future.
    56fhr is horrible especially for vs druids

    only random hdins use hacks --

    Prison is GM on West since we duel in NM. Prison zons; it's #1.

    As for ibs'ing : http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=536928




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    Quote Originally Posted by Xombie View Post
    56fhr is horrible especially for vs druids

    only random hdins use hacks --

    Prison is GM on West since we duel in NM. Prison zons; it's #1.

    As for ibs'ing : http://forums.diabloii.net/showthread.php?t=536928
    Yes I know it is but Im not rich enough for PnB FHR Gcs.

    That where I got my iBS info from http://strategy.diabloii.net/news.php?id=511




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    Quote Originally Posted by soul killer View Post
    Well why dont you go and make a better guide ay?

    Post a rude comment, expect one back.

    Not my cup of tea.


    I just think that if you want a serious guide you should either not post strategies or post ones worth reading. I'd go with the "not post strategies" one myself, since a person should spend the time to learn the character... but oh well.




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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptnSparrow View Post
    Not my cup of tea.


    I just think that if you want a serious guide you should either not post strategies or post ones worth reading. I'd go with the "not post strategies" one myself, since a person should spend the time to learn the character... but oh well.

    So your saying miy strats arent worth reading?
    So why did you read them?

    If your gonna post, post interesting stuff, constructive critisism and not this crap.

    Im sure you couldnt write a guide on anything.




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    Quote Originally Posted by soul killer View Post
    So your saying miy strats arent worth reading?
    So why did you read them?

    If your gonna post, post interesting stuff, constructive critisism and not this crap.

    Im sure you couldnt write a guide on anything.

    You... do realize that to say they aren't worth reading I would have to read them, correct?

    I just don't think putting on absorb is a strategy. And... I guess you disagree.

    As for that final sentence... where'd you get that from? As impressed as I am in your ability to completely judge my knowledge in 2 short posts, I'd say you should give me more of a chance.




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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptnSparrow View Post
    You... do realize that to say they aren't worth reading I would have to read them, correct?

    I just don't think putting on absorb is a strategy. And... I guess you disagree.

    As for that final sentence... where'd you get that from? As impressed as I am in your ability to completely judge my knowledge in 2 short posts, I'd say you should give me more of a chance.
    Well thats all you had to say "I dont agree that sorb should be apart of every strat" and I wouldve been cool with it.
    But no....you had to make it with an offensive tone.

    I foyu dont like somthing about ma guide just say it nicely.

    Now if you have somthing negative to say which is also helpful to me in making my guide better, do tell.....if not then dont bother posting.




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