evaluate my orb build/gear please

[whensheepattack]

Hi guys,

I am thinking about making a PvP ES/Orber cause I like how it hits a huge area and I don't have to aim. I was also thinking about makeing a pure blizz sorc but I didn't like the idea of not having ES and no max block.

For my personal reasons, (which I dont really understand, myself) I hate using rare items. I know that in many cases rare items can overpower uniques and runewords, but I guess I just don't like the idea of not having "set" mods on my items and that there is no "perfect" version of that item. So for that reason, I do not want to get max block on my sorceress because then I would have to use fcr rings/ammy (correct me if im wrong) to achieve 105 fcr.

1. Is max block required for ES orber? Or could I just go full NRG?
2. Would memory be recommended or should I just use CTA on switch? Would a memory with +3 ES and a cold armor be expensive/hard to find?

This is what I plan to use:
Doom Zerker (no fathom yet, but I plan to get one, hopefully)
Vipermagi 35 res Um Runed and Upped
Nightwings faceted
Spirit Monarch 35 fcr
Maras 29 res
Spider
SoJ
SoJ
Magefists (Frostburn if I can get fathom)
Treks

As far as charms go I'll have 8 plain skillers and 1 fhr skiller to get to 86 fhr


3. Also, should I max ES, ice bolt, or cold mastery last?
4. Should I put a point into a cold armor? Or just let Memory take care of that?

FO - 20
IBolt - 20
CM - 20
ES - 20
TK - 20

Sorry for my bad format =\
Any and every suggestion is appreciated. Thanks for reading.:grin:

[Ragnaroksi]

:grin:

Hi guys,

I am thinking about making a PvP ES/Orber cause I like how it hits a huge area and I don't have to aim. I was also thinking about makeing a pure blizz sorc but I didn't like the idea of not having ES and no max block.

For my personal reasons, (which I dont really understand, myself) I hate using rare items. I know that in many cases rare items can overpower uniques and runewords, but I guess I just don't like the idea of not having "set" mods on my items and that there is no "perfect" version of that item. So for that reason, I do not want to get max block on my sorceress because then I would have to use fcr rings/ammy (correct me if im wrong) to achieve 105 fcr.

1. Is max block required for ES orber? Or could I just go full NRG?
2. Would memory be recommended or should I just use CTA on switch? Would a memory with +3 ES and a cold armor be expensive/hard to find?

This is what I plan to use:
Doom Zerker (no fathom yet, but I plan to get one, hopefully)
Vipermagi 35 res Um Runed and Upped
Nightwings faceted
Spirit Monarch 35 fcr
Maras 29 res
Spider
SoJ
SoJ
Magefists (Frostburn if I can get fathom)
Treks

As far as charms go I'll have 8 plain skillers and 1 fhr skiller to get to 86 fhr


3. Also, should I max ES, ice bolt, or cold mastery last?
4. Should I put a point into a cold armor? Or just let Memory take care of that?

FO - 20
IBolt - 20
CM - 20
ES - 20
TK - 20

Sorry for my bad format =\
Any and every suggestion is appreciated. Thanks for reading.:grin:

Yes...u should get a deaths fathom :grin:

[AgentMarth]

Well, i'll try to go into more detail then a one liner so here goes.

1. Max block isn't required, but I like it. A 90%- 95% ES with max block makes a good tank. However, you then have to sacrifice spirit. Max block with spirit = No No. The leaves you with a few choices, A good sanctuary, Whistans, or my favorite, and up'd viscernant. I personally use a up'd eld'd Vis, and at level 89, It takes ~180 dex to have max block, good block rate, and plus 1 skill.

2. Both. Keep a good memory for prebuffing once before dueling, but a cta on switch normally. With just a CTA, my sorc can reach a level 90 ES, with a memory alone 93, with CTA 94. I could get 95%, but my Memory was made in a +2 to Enchant/ Chilling Armor/ ES Staff. So I'm one level short. Finding a +3 ES and armor maybe hard, but you could also just put one point in frozen armor. Then there is always the CTA in an archon staff with +3 ES, thats real tough to find though, and not really worth it.

As for gear:
Weapon - I would have to say fathom. I personally don't have one yet, so i'm using a hoto. I may not switch though because I like the mods. Dex helps block, increase mana, res(not to important though) and high fcr. Without spirit, you'll need to make fcr up somewhere else.
Armor - I would take out the um, and put a jah/ sur/ or cold facet in there. Maybe even a sheal if you need the fhr. Res with an ES build don't matter, and poison will be made up with buy treks.
Gloves - Frostburns. More mana = more "life"
Helm - Nightwing's good, unless if you can find a better Circlet type helm. I use a circlet myself.
Ammy - Mara's is nice again, but a crafted ammy is nice too. I know you put you don't care for rare type things, but the right one my be alot better. Plus you may need a bit or fcr on it. I use a +2 sorc, fcr, +100 mana with a few other mods ammy i crafted.

Everything else seems fine.

Go ES, Cold mastery, then ice bolt. However, you may not want to. 40% damage seems a bit weak to me. I'm still debating putting it into warmth for the faster regeneration rate. rather than a bit more damage. I'm gonna just plan on the -res helping out more. That and don't forget about prerequisites, the lighting tree takes up a few, and warmth, and the skills leading to orb. at 89, I have 7 left overs after maxing 4 other skills. Though i put in armor, and static. Dont' plan on maxing another skill though, also considering you will only level to maybe 90 or so.

You can still get the 105 bp without rares, but you'll be to at odd's with gear though. 40 hoto, 20 mage, 20 arach, 30 viper = 110. Or maybe a griffons helm, but that won't due much good other than the fcr. I reach it by 20 helm, 40 hoto, 30 viper, 20 arach, and a bit on ammy, but thats using a rare helm.

Btw, I share that strange feeling of not liking rares so much. Don't know why myself either.

Hope that helps. I myself i'm still trying to tweak my sorc before starting to pvp with her. My thread though fell into oblivion without anyone replying though...

[NoFleshAllBlood]

sup...i dont use as many words as other people but here it goes lol..
es/orber is the only pvp char i use these days and i suggest u go pure energy.The only thing you would need block for is a barb and u can just tele out of the way of any whirlwind with 105 fcr..kind of easy to actually :P Bowazons wont even scratch your health unless they are using maxed out poison scs.

for gear this is the best possible legit setup in my opinion..
Nightwings veil
maras kelidascope
Deaths fathom
spirit
vipermagi
2xSoJ
arachnid mesh
Frostburns
Sandtorm treks.

storch
anni
1x12% fhr cold gc
8xcold gcs

this setup will get u around 1.5k orb,75 psn resist,86%fhr,105%fcr.



WOW! just realised this is a 3 day old post :O

[whensheepattack]

Thanks guys
all this is VERY helpful

But just today I dueled my friend's sorc.
Actually, it was a frost nova sorc =P but he still maxed FO.
It took him a few (although somewhat indirect) orbs to kill me.

What I want to accomplish with this sorc is to have a chance against BvCs and smiters because they are pose a big problem for my other characters. I am a little worried that my orb won't do enough damage to kill them before they kill me.

Does anyone have any experience or advice for this?
Or would a blizz sorceress be better for this?

[AgentMarth]

I still would advocate the use of block. You do end up needing block for more than just a barb. Strangely enough for the other char mentioned not needing it for, the bowazon. If they use a lot of poison, or have high open wounds, it will bypass your ES and go right to your lower health. Poison can be negated to a degree, but open wounds can't. The only way is block. Stopping 3 out of 4 attempts to put open wounds on you can save you from dropping to one health and running for Akara. It would really be helpful against melee sins who always have high poison and open wounds. Don't forget too, those bvc's like to use widowmaker on you if you don't like to stay still, and it can be tricky to tele if you get leap'd knockback/stun. IMO, you can only just dodge so much until they get a lucky hit on you, and then it can hurt a lot.

Don't forget to take into account that you will also need 156 strength to wear spirit, while about the same amount of stat points could go into block as well. You would however lose some of spirits better bonuses though. In the end its all up to your play style, if you wanna survive better aka be defensive, or kill better aka offensive.

About the bvc's and smiter's though, keep in mind bvc's are made to kill, well, casters. They usually stack and absorb alot so it can be a long drawn out fight. Smiters, well, if they tele-smite good, your almost as good as dead, even with block (which will then do nothing) if they desynce, you can be grief-charged, but may have the chance to block it. If they just run and smite, well there just stupid. If you really want to fight a bvc or smiter, you may want to pick another char. I'm not sure about a bvc, but for a smiter, maybe a bonemancer. Bad manners or not, you can decrp, revive, and prison them, topped with a clay golem, should damage pretty well.

If you find yourself dieing a lot to anything other than poison or open wounds, just try to get your mana as high as possible. Try to have all you sc's with mana on them. If your a bit low on life, try to get life on your skillers. Also, consider investing more into warmth for the faster regeneration, which will only get better with higher mana.

How far along is she right now? Are the 4 main skills maxed? Whats you life and mana at? ES%? That may help to determine why you died so easy to your friends sorc.

Geez, I wrote alot again, I guess its because I'm trying to make a good pvp orb'er myself.

[NoFleshAllBlood]

Agent good point, but i make use of the dodge lock with orb :P bowas cant attack me if i attack them.I guess if u were ever to duel a barb with widowmaker it could be usefull but id rather stay on their *** and make them keep wwing while i tele out of the way and hit them w/ a orb.Leap is nothing with your 86% fhr and by the time they ww u will be a screen away. Trust me, orb is great for a bvc even when he wears 2 ravens :P it just takes longer