bvc armor

**Loptop** · 21-10-2006, 20:58

i got dusk nigma and ring mail one
ringmail looks better but its medium armor
will this be bad 4 my ww ?

**jake007** · 21-10-2006, 21:05

I'd stick for a dusk enigma, mobility is one of the reason why BvCs invest on Increase Speed.

**happyslayer** · 22-10-2006, 08:40

increase speed is kind of dumb, since slower ww = more hits.
16 points leap, then rest to shout ftw.

Might as well go dusk enigma, you'll likely need the extra defence. bvc doesnt have a whole lot of defence, unless you went the shout/iron skin route.

**Ce Olba** · 22-10-2006, 09:40

Originally Posted by happyslayer

increase speed is kind of dumb, since slower ww = more hits.
16 points leap, then rest to shout ftw.

Apparently you have never played a proper BvC.

Increased Speed is not dumb. The more hits thing is only true for long whirls. For triwhirls and shortwhirls, the slower you go, the worse, as you will be taking more damage too.

And you shouldn't put a random amount as 16 to Leap. 13, 14 or 20. As for the Shout argument, you will NEVER need it. Put the rest to Shout AFTER you got points in Nat Res and Increased Speed.

To the Opening Poster: You should use the Dusk.

**dmngd** · 22-10-2006, 12:23

rofl @ you don't need faster run walk skill. That skill is especially important for seriously desyncing your wws.

Mage eni over dusk if full vita, quite a few people make these builds. Dusk if you are geared to use forti aswell.

**Ce Olba** · 22-10-2006, 12:41

Originally Posted by dmngd

rofl @ you don't need faster run walk skill. That skill is especially important for seriously desyncing your wws.

Mage eni over dusk if full vita, quite a few people make these builds. Dusk if you are geared to use forti aswell.

You are pretty correct on the Mage Plate.

As for the Fortitude argument, I have to disagree. You see, if you can use CoA with a str belt and Beast, you can use any armor up to an Archon Plate, as you will have 103 STR with torch and Annihilus.

**dmngd** · 22-10-2006, 14:59

Well i meant dusk eni, forti should generally be archon.

Basically forti can be in any armor with a str req less than 136.

Correct me if i'm wrong but you stated that one can use any eni in any base up to archon if you have str belt on all the time? I prefer arac+draculs over to and str belt..

**Ce Olba** · 22-10-2006, 15:16

Originally Posted by dmngd

Well i meant dusk eni, forti should generally be archon.

Nope. They can be in ANY ARMOR up to Archon Plate.

Basically forti can be in any armor with a str req less than 136.

Actually, Fortitude can be in any armor that has 174 or less STR required.

Correct me if i'm wrong but you stated that one can use any eni in any base up to archon if you have str belt on all the time? I prefer arac+draculs over to and str belt..

I did not say so. If you build with the 63/57 stats base, you will end up with 63+40=103= Enough for Archon, so you can use Archon Enigma. As for the STR belt, it's there to do funny stuff like 63+40+15+20 = 138=enough for Beast+Grief.