Same fingerprint in ATMA readout = Duplicated item?

[mtzang]

OK... the situation is this. I found 3 Horizon's Tornado over 2 days and 2 of them had the same %ED and I decided to compare the 2 of them and guess what they had the same fingerprint. They are totally indentical!(except for durability) I found them on separate occasions... so any idea what is happening?

[Lothos]

I've just always assumed the same fingerprint meant a dupe item. Not knowing how the fingerprint is generated, I would guess there is a chance somehow that the same character could potentially find enough of the same item to have a dupe fingerprint.

[erics]

It can happen...extremely rare...but it can happen. Have you used any of the scourges?

[JihadJesus]

Well, it is possible but pretty rare for two items of differing types to generate the same fingerprint, so I suppose it is technically possible in this case, but I think you'll have a very hard time convinving anyone that items that are identical in every way and have identical fingerprints are not copies. It's not that hard to create accidental copies, either. I have a habit of renaming characters sometimes, for example, and this will create dupes you then have to manually remove. This is why ATMA has the dupe detector - so you can find them and get rid of them.

[Cattleya]

The chances of finding the same item, with the same fingerprint, and the same stats are astronomical.

Did you use the seed command to reset your map and forget to remove it before you started playing again? I'm hardly an expert on the seed command, but this is the only thing that comes to my mind.

[Tracul]

Did those scourges drop from Pindle/other monsters, or you found them while rummaging through your stashes?
Mind if you post all the readouts of your four (?) scourges? Maybe we can help you then.

Btw, one last question, do you play with other -commands except for -windowed?

[jrlafrance]

He did say that the durability was different. So, unless he used one of them, I would have to say the astronomical happened. :grin:

[mtzang]

I just ran the dupe detector and all the shields and all the short staves on my level 1 mules have the same fingerprint too.

@erics,

No I haven't used any of them.

@Cattleya,

I think you are right. I just removed the command... I am going to delete one of the 2 Horizon's Tornados. Does this clear up this issue?

[mtzang]

Don't mind here is the readout:

Stormlash
Scourge
One-Hand Damage: 11 to 295
Durability: 49 of 65
Required Dexterity: 77
Required Strength: 125
Required Level: 82
Mace Class - Very Fast Attack Speed
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 86
Fingerprint: 0xf3e1faab
+269% Enhanced Damage
Adds 1-473 lightning damage
30% Increased Attack Speed
150% Damage to Undead
Attacker Takes Lightning Damage of 30
33% Chance of Crushing Blow
+4 Lightning Absorb
20% Chance to cast Level 18 Tornado on striking
15% Chance to cast Level 10 Static Field on striking

Horizon's Tornado
Scourge
One-Hand Damage: 9 to 266
Durability: 44 of 65
Required Dexterity: 62
Required Strength: 100
Required Level: 64
Mace Class - Fastest Attack Speed
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 86
Fingerprint: 0x74adb10a
+233% Enhanced Damage
Requirements -20%
50% Increased Attack Speed
150% Damage to Undead
Slows Target by 20%
20% Chance to cast Level 15 Tornado on striking

The 2 identical Horizons:

Horizon's Tornado
Scourge
One-Hand Damage: 11 to 301
Durability: 30 of 65
Required Dexterity: 62
Required Strength: 100
Required Level: 64
Mace Class - Fastest Attack Speed
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 86
Fingerprint: 0xb0453eb6
+277% Enhanced Damage
Requirements -20%
50% Increased Attack Speed
150% Damage to Undead
Slows Target by 20%
20% Chance to cast Level 15 Tornado on striking

Horizon's Tornado
Scourge
One-Hand Damage: 11 to 301
Durability: 40 of 65
Required Dexterity: 62
Required Strength: 100
Required Level: 64
Mace Class - Fastest Attack Speed
Item Version: 1.10+ Expansion
Item Level: 86
Fingerprint: 0xb0453eb6
+277% Enhanced Damage
Requirements -20%
50% Increased Attack Speed
150% Damage to Undead
Slows Target by 20%
20% Chance to cast Level 15 Tornado on striking

Please don't tell me all these have to go.. =(

[DeePee]

Yeah, it's very possible to get two exact same items using the Seed command. I once used it to reroll my accidently lost Mephisto running map and forgetting to remove the seed command proceeded to do some runs.

I popped Meph's special chest and behold, out pops a Pul and some random crap. I was quite happy and continued with my runs. A few runs later, another Pul. Couldn't believe my luck. When I got the third pul it got me thinking that something must not be right.

After some investigating, I noticed that everytime the chest gave me the pul it also dropped the same magic item (I think it was Ceremonial Javelins) and they all had the same fingerprint.

Of course, once I figured out what was happening I deleted all of the puls except the first one - it was a fair find, I figured. Thankfully Meph dropped nothing I decided to keep during those dozen runs.

Edit - I think it's enough if you just deleted one of the identical Horizon's. It looks like the first two scourges aren't related to the seed-command at all.