Had the US not been attacked in 1941, would the 3rd Reich still exist?

[Module88]

that's a lousy definition of reich

since you guys like wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reich

Modern day Germany would still qualify in pretty much all of those. So yes, it is still a Riech, although I imagine it isn't marked as such due to the negative connotation and lack of world changing events.

Then the answer is yes, the 3rd Reich still exists because it exists even in the real world where the US WAS attacked in 1941. Arguing with you is like beating my head against a brick wall.

The 3rd Reich exists? As opposed to the First or Second one? Reich's, as far as I know, are characterized by their leaders- not the events that started them. Even if they were named after that, they wouldn't be named after WWII, since the Third Reich existed before that. So, no, the Third Reich doesn't exist, unless previously mentioned conditions are met (I obviously didn't mention all of them). You're the brick wall here. You're not making any sense whatsoever.

[Ash Housewares]

Then the answer is yes, the 3rd Reich still exists because it exists even in the real world where the US WAS attacked in 1941. Arguing with you is like beating my head against a brick wall.

I'd say it's like you were cloned and started headbutting yourself

[Sir EvilFreeSmeg]

Then the answer is yes, the 3rd Reich still exists because it exists even in the real world where the US WAS attacked in 1941.

That's the most incoherent thing I've read in years. Is there a gibberish to rant translator in here. I think there's something in there but I can't figure it out.

[Dondrei]

That's the most incoherent thing I've read in years. Is there a gibberish to rant translator in here. I think there's something in there but I can't figure it out.

I'm illustrating how absurd Mod's argument is.

[zrk]

nazi germany didnt win the war because of russia. They concentrated their main forces on attacking russia, but failed (like everyone else in history). Their smaller forces on the west side couldnt handle the american, english and french troops, true, but the main reason was still the huge mistake of taking on two fronts at the same time

[Anakha1]

Lol

Well sinse it's made...

No it wouldn't. Pearl Harbor changed the entire course of WWII because it set in line the comino effect that eventually led to America coming into the War.
If the US hadn't been attacked, we'd be speaking German and prejudicing **** for everything wrong in the world...

Germany would have been overthrown by Russia and Europe would be taken over by them instead of Germany. And nothing can ever convince me that Germany had the resources or manpower to take over N. America. Nothing would have stopped Nazi Germany from falling eventually.

[Dondrei]

Germany would have been overthrown by Russia and Europe would be taken over by them instead of Germany.

You mean like in Red Alert?

And nothing can ever convince me that Germany had the resources or manpower to take over N. America. Nothing would have stopped Nazi Germany from falling eventually.

All that I totally agree with.

[Daethwalker]

Even without the attack on Pearl Harbor, the US would have eventually been drawn into the War. For one reason or another.

1. We were supplying war material to the allies. Eventually Japan and/or Germany would have attacked us. It was a question of when ... not if.

2. Rumours of the Holocaust would have eventually become fact and caused enough of an uproar by the american public to force us into the war.

3. Invasion and occupation of Great Britain would have eventually brought us into the war.

4. Even if we had not supplied war materials, ignored the Holocaust and not come to GB's aid, German and/or Japan would have eventually attacked us. We were to sweet a target to ignore and to dangerous to ignore.

[Dondrei]

Even without the attack on Pearl Harbor, the US would have eventually been drawn into the War. For one reason or another.

1. We were supplying war material to the allies. Eventually Japan and/or Germany would have attacked us. It was a question of when ... not if.

Japan probably, Germany I think not. Germany was too tied up in Europe, there's no way they could mount a serious attack on an entire continent on the other side of the world. Although they demonstrated a willingness to foolishly start wars on multiple fronts, even they couldn't be that crazy.

The Japanese on the other hand were spoiling for a fight and seemed happy enough to suicidally provoke America into open war at Pearl Harbour, so why not elsewhere?

2. Rumours of the Holocaust would have eventually become fact and caused enough of an uproar by the american public to force us into the war.

I dunno, they were doing a pretty good job of keeping that quiet. And in the context of the time, rumours would quite likely be dismissed as such.

3. Invasion and occupation of Great Britain would have eventually brought us into the war.

I would've thought so too, but America sat back through the Battle of Britain so...

But maybe given time they might have realised that Britain falling to Hitler was kind of a bad thing. And worth fighting against.

4. Even if we had not supplied war materials, ignored the Holocaust and not come to GB's aid, German and/or Japan would have eventually attacked us. We were to sweet a target to ignore and to dangerous to ignore.

Maybe sometime in the later 60 years, assuming Germany pacified Europe, not to mention Britain (and I dunno, maybe they could've worked out a truce with Russia, it seems unlikely though). I don't see how they could do that long-term, I suspect that after that initial lightning invasion they'd get bogged down trying to control a whole continent against an inimical populace.

But yeah, Japanese aggression if not a twinge of conscience at the fall of Britain would surely have brought America in. Although if it took too long to do so then the war would have dragged out a lot longer.

[Pitboss_2000]

But maybe given time they might have realised that Britain falling to Hitler was kind of a bad thing. And worth fighting against.

True, but by the time the US would have the army ready to help the English, the Germans would probably have taken all/most of the Isles, and then the US would be the side fighting a war on the other side of the world (seeing there would be no bases between the East Coast and GB), which would lead to the same suicidal kind of invasion, wouldn't it? :-S