McClellan Gone (we've gotten lazy around here)

[Nerf-Herder]

Just sayin McClellan isn't important, he is just the messenger.

And... also sayin that you seem to lean very much to the right, in spite of your claims of being a Libertarian.

[Dondrei]

that Clinton believes the 'enlightened mullahs have made Iran into a much freer nation than the United States will ever be.'

Ugh, what an idiot. Did he really say that?

[myleftfoot]

There was a time when this would have been posted before there was even a link to the story. Buncha slackers.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/...lan/index.html

There's the CNN story.

He's such a loser. I've only ever seen him at press conferences and he appears to be of no use (probably the job he holds rather than himself).

[jmervyn]

Just sayin McClellan isn't important, he is just the messenger.

Thought that was what <I> was saying. If I were more leftie, I'd be using the old saw about "rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic".

And... also sayin that you seem to lean very much to the right, in spite of your claims of being a Libertarian.

Well, you're not paying attention then. :cool:

I'm extraordinarily conservative about a few issues (mostly military ones), very liberal about a couple (economic), and mostly centrist on the rest. One of the silly Internet tests put me square center politically; it is just that the OTF is and always has been markedly left-of-center for the U.S. Another thread (think one of the Bush competency ones) showed a substantial number of non-American participants, so it shouldn't be a surprise that I appear very right wing.

[SaroDarksbane]

Ugh, what an idiot. Did he really say that?

Here's the quote from the article:

"Iran is the only country in the world that has now had six elections since the first election of President Khatami (in 1997). (It is) the only one with elections, including the United States, including Israel, including you name it, where the liberals, or the progressives, have won two-thirds to 70 percent of the vote in six elections: Two for president; two for the Parliament, the Majlis; two for the mayoralties. In every single election, the guys I identify with got two-thirds to 70 percent of the vote. There is no other country in the world I can say that about, certainly not my own."

The quote J-man posted was a quote on the part of the article, summing up Clinton's quote (in their opinion). Unfortunately, his doesn't seem a whole lot better.

[jmervyn]

Ugh, what an idiot. Did he really say that?

No, that was a right-wing paraphrase. Thought you were big on reading? :laugh:

But what he did say is still pretty asinine -
"Iran is the only country in the world that has now had six elections since the first election of President Khatami (in 1997). (It is) the only one with elections, including the United States, including Israel, including you name it, where the liberals, or the progressives, have won two-thirds to 70 percent of the vote in six elections: Two for president; two for the Parliament, the Majlis; two for the mayoralties. In every single election, the guys I identify with got two-thirds to 70 percent of the vote. There is no other country in the world I can say that about, certainly not my own."

When BJ is saying that the guys he identifies with won in Iran, one really has to question his self-identification.

Or maybe he just thinks the "totalitarian theocrat who can sleep with minors & be excused" gig sounds really cool! :cool:

EDIT - looks like Saro's faster on they keyboard than I. Original source has been pulled, of course... but there's others, including some that include sound. The mullahs are making hay with it, of course.

[DrunkCajun]

You're a fine one to talk, accusing us of slippage - just not much point in rehashing the same argument 15 more times. Didn't you read the various conservative (including Dick Morris in this category) opinion pieces saying that a meaningless cabinet shuffle is just what the doctor ordered for this administration? Smoke & mirrors, good for what ails ya!

I think McClellan just got sick of this in his face...

EDIT - besides, members are whining about my posting habits. Otherwise, I would have trotted out these gems far sooner:
Iran prez arrests 4 over text message
*and*
that Clinton believes the 'enlightened mullahs have made Iran into a much freer nation than the United States will ever be.'

Good god, so defensive. I wasn't attacking, I was observing.

I tend to agree that a shakeup is what the administration needs--whether it'll help or not is another question, but it's not surprising. I'm still trying to decide whether Rummy'll last the weekend or not. Seems to me that the last two times Bush said he had complete and total faith in someone they were out the door a few days later...Harriet Meier comes to mind, as does a certain former FEMA director who was doin a "helluva job".

Question really is though, will it help? Cheney set a historical record yesterday for polling lower than any VP or Prez since polling was around, dropping lower than Richard Nixon. IIRC, he bottomed out at 17% approval yesterday, which is bloody deplorable.


Just some interesting observations to note as we come up on the midterms and as the GOP fights to hold a slim majority.

[myleftfoot]

But what he did say is still pretty asinine -
"Iran is the only country in the world that has now had six elections since the first election of President Khatami (in 1997). (It is) the only one with elections, including the United States, including Israel, including you name it, where the liberals, or the progressives, have won two-thirds to 70 percent of the vote in six elections: Two for president; two for the Parliament, the Majlis; two for the mayoralties. In every single election, the guys I identify with got two-thirds to 70 percent of the vote. There is no other country in the world I can say that about, certainly not my own."[/url]

Is he lying or is this the case?

[SaroDarksbane]

Question really is though, will it help? Cheney set a historical record yesterday for polling lower than any VP or Prez since polling was around, dropping lower than Richard Nixon. IIRC, he bottomed out at 17% approval yesterday, which is bloody deplorable.

I wonder if the majority of the populace even knows why they don't like Cheney.

I'm willing to bet they don't.

[jmervyn]

Is he lying or is this the case?

Well, it depends on what "Is" is. :laughing: He's in effect calling the mullahs fellow liberals.

If his self-definition doesn't offend you, then on your head be it. But he also doesn't seem to grasp the full dimensions to his claim, including that the elections are at least somewhat of a sham.