First of all Steve Nash did not deserve the MVP last year, seeing as he had Joe Johnson, Shawn Marion, and Amare Stoudemire on his team and still didn't finish with a better record than the Spurs. Tim Duncan should have received the MVP award once again, because without Tim Duncan the spurs are a below .500 team, while the Suns minus Steve Nash are still a solid playoff contendor. Anyways back on the topic of football. When people start saying that someone took touchdowns away from their player, it just gets ridiculous, but whatever. Matt Hasselbeck threw for 3,459 yards and 24 touchdowns, and from what you're saying I guess that should be added to Shaun Alexander's stats, so here ya go: 5339 yards and 51 touchdowns. Now do you see how inaccurate it is to say, "oh they brought in a backup and he scored," or "they ended up throwing a touchdown pass so that would have been his touchdown."
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02-01-2006, 17:58 #31
02-01-2006, 19:39 #32
0Originally Posted by Gibbzilla
Alexander, due to the Seahawks style of offense, gets more opportunities to score touchdowns. That's not an insult to Alexander, just the facts of how Seattle runs their offense. And EVEN IF you refuse to acknowledge any of that information about the touchdowns, Barber still outgained Alexander by *400* yards from scrimmage on the year, and was *300* yard above the nearest person to his lead. Barber also has 27 more yards a game than Alexander and was MORE IMPORTANT TO HIS TEAM.
Even if you go with Alexander, which isn't a bad call, you're completely dismissing that Alexander has serious competition, which is just ridiculous.
02-01-2006, 19:53 #33
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0Originally Posted by Lostprophet
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02-01-2006, 20:59 #34
Cause I like stats (mmm, stats), here are Alexander's and Barber's final rushing numbers, along with a third player from a few years back:
Att Yards Avg TDs Alexander 370 1880 5.1 27 Barber 357 1860 5.2 9 Player X 253 1359 5.4 18
Total yards Total TDs Alexander 1958 28 Barber 2390 11 Player X 2189 26
Alexander led his team to the number one seed this year while Barber led the Giants to the NFC East title. Player X led his team to a wild-card spot where they were bounced out right away.
Among those three, who's the best? Alexander for having the most TDs and leading his team to a number one spot, but with the least yardage? Barber for having the most yards from scrimmage and leading his team to a division title, but the least amount of TDs? Or Player X for being close to the top in both stats, but leading his team to "only" a wild-card spot?
Like Croup said, it's not completely cut-and-dry that Alexander will get the MVP. He probably will, but it'll be closer than you think.
02-01-2006, 22:40 #35
0Originally Posted by Raft Boy
It's not Barber's fault that his team only won a division title and not a first round bye. In fact, it's probably Barber's "fault" that his team is in the playoffs in the first place. As I said earlier, a Seahawks team with a more average running back is not a dominant team, but is still in the playoffs. The Giants without Barber don't make the playoffs and the Bengals without Palmer don't make the playoffs. Those players are more important to their teams than Alexander is to the Seahawks.
03-01-2006, 00:06 #36
0Originally Posted by Croup
What I purposely didn't mention right away, is that Player X was Marshall Faulk in the 2000 season when he won the MVP award that year. Faulk won not just because he was the best player in the league, but because without him, the Rams don't make the playoffs at all. That team needed every yard and touchdown that Faulk gave them just to stay alive in January. The Giants, and especially the Bengals, will say that their MVP candidates are in similar situations like Faulk. Seahawks could also make that arguement, but it doesn't ring as solidly as the other two.
Look back to last year when Manning won it. He got every vote but one, which went to Vick. There was (and still is) some griping from me about it, but I can see the arguement for it. Heck, there were some who said that Culpepper should have gotten a vote or two for his record-breaking season, but the Vikes went 8-8. Hardly crucial to the team's "success".
This is going to be a very close finish, and every player I mentioned in the poll has a legitimate arguement for why they should win. Which is just fine with me, cause it makes for good discussion.