Barb vs smiters

[Imperor]

then ow does 66/2 seconds, 5 more dmg than the pala heals. And if he goes healing , OF COURSE i will go and teleww. And no, u cannot stay healing forever. And as people have already said, what's the point to duel someone who needs healing to win?

I don't agree that healing from my skills - it's my weakeness.
I never use mana potting on my pala, my barb and my druid. I think, mana potting = rejuvs potting.
Once i drink rejuv, when i see, that barb use mana potting This barb begin cry about bad manner LoL
I think, mana deficiency - main weakeness such chars, as WW-barb and necromancer. WW - is VERY powerfull attack. I think, Blizzard SPECIALLY create big mana price for this attack. But mana potting DELETED this weakeness!
(I'm sure, in diablo III Blizzards deleted mana potions from shops)
And after this barbs say me about weaken tactic of life replenish?

p.s.: I agree duel without replenish life, if barb agree don't mana potting. Ok, Ce Olba?

[Ce Olba]

I don't agree that healing from my skills - it's my weakeness.
I never use mana potting on my pala, my barb and my druid. I think, mana potting = rejuvs potting.
Once i drink rejuv, when i see, that barb use mana potting This barb begin cry about bad manner LoL
I think, mana deficiency - main weakeness such chars, as WW-barb and necromancer. WW - is VERY powerfull attack. I think, Blizzard SPECIALLY create big mana price for this attack. But mana potting DELETED this weakeness!
(I'm sure, in diablo III Blizzards deleted mana potions from shops)
And after this barbs say me about weaken tactic of life replenish?

p.s.: I agree duel without replenish life, if barb agree don't mana potting. Ok, Ce Olba?

As i already said, my d2 is all errors, so no dueling for me. And without repl life i would be ended in like 5 seconds because of each tele costing 20 mana and each ww like 35-40. Also, with lvl 24 holyshield (from the build basis i made) u would need 142 dex for max blocking. Now, u get total about

20+20+20+2+20=82; 142-82=60, so 60 points into dex. with this at lvl 98 u will have:
(97*5)+15)*3=1500
1500+(97*2)+55+315+200=2264
2264*1.92=4346
4346+120+6=4472

U CAN reach 4.4k life, which is DAMN good, but look at the gear needed:
9x 35 life skillers
10x 20 life scs
perf torch
perf anni
lvl 20 bo (6bocta+spirit+eni+arach+2sojs+anni+bc+maras+shako )

Not very hard to get though, but if u only get this char to lvl 91, u got:
4248 life (not a huge loss)
74life/2seconds, making it 37/second.

But, the question is, can u get all this? If u can, then good, your build will be good in 1v1, but in say 2v1 it will get desimated. It will be pretty good in TvT.

Now, without life skillers, and lvl 91 u have:
3643 life
74life/2seconds

So, i really wish u can get those 35 life sks, or otherwise your build will be pretty bad. Btw, this setup that i'm using, is the optimal choice i could find, without losing too much hammer dmg and to be able to get that huge life regen.

Also, u HAVE to use mana pots or insight merc on a barb to be able to last for more than 20 seconds. Also, i think that mana pots are like healing ones, IF A ENERGY SHIELD SORC USES THEM to regen her mana, because her MANA goes down when DMG'ED.

And no, the repl. life is not the problem, not at all, unless u do it for like 20 seconds (950 life regened), or more.

And also, u sure that there will be diablo III? And no, they won't delete the mana pots, because PvM ppl need those, especially casters. The game is not TOTALLY about PvP, u know?

[Imperor]

Ok. My pala now have 91 lev.

He have 4551 life and 98 repl life in 2 sek (with shako with perf rubi :lol: ).
He have 4335 life and 92 repl life in 2 sek (with CoA and max DR).

He have anni 20/xx/xx and torch 20/xx. And skillers: fhr,43,41,41,40,40,40,38,37 life.
Base str, base energy, not remember dex, rest in vita.
This is real data.

In 1.09 patch LoD mana potions don't trade in shops.
Diablo III project possible already exist... I hear about this anything... but i'm sure

[Ce Olba]

Ok. My pala now have 91 lev.

He have 4551 life and 98 repl life in 2 sek (with shako with perf rubi :lol: ).
He have 4335 life and 92 repl life in 2 sek (with CoA and max DR).

He have anni 20/xx/xx and torch 20/xx. And skillers: fhr,43,41,41,40,40,40,38,37 life.
Base str, base energy, not remember dex, rest in vita.
This is real data.

I do not doubt that, since u seem to have damn high skillers. Those all pc or defen?

I think your dex is about 60-70 base.

[morotsjos]

then ow does 66/2 seconds, 5 more dmg than the pala heals. And if he goes healing , OF COURSE i will go and teleww. And no, u cannot stay healing forever. And as people have already said, what's the point to duel someone who needs healing to win?

You miss the point; it's _impossible_ to keep the pally bleeding the whole time. In fact he probably wont bleed more than 1-2% of the duel. GA:s are _so_ easy to avoid with charge.
And no, you _cant_ tele/ww a clued hammerdin. Then you will die. So ya, hammerdins can heal as much as they want forever while barbs cant do _anything_ about it.

But who cares? I just dont bother dueling ignorants wannabes who cant play well enough to be offensive vs barbs lol. I can always get my own hammerdin as well even though 10 minute duels are zzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

[morotsjos]

I don't agree that healing from my skills - it's my weakeness.
I never use mana potting on my pala, my barb and my druid. I think, mana potting = rejuvs potting.
Once i drink rejuv, when i see, that barb use mana potting This barb begin cry about bad manner LoL
I think, mana deficiency - main weakeness such chars, as WW-barb and necromancer. WW - is VERY powerfull attack. I think, Blizzard SPECIALLY create big mana price for this attack. But mana potting DELETED this weakeness!
(I'm sure, in diablo III Blizzards deleted mana potions from shops)
And after this barbs say me about weaken tactic of life replenish?

p.s.: I agree duel without replenish life, if barb agree don't mana potting. Ok, Ce Olba?

Hammerdins have so big advantage over barbs even with base prayer that manapots shouldn't be a concern at all.
Remember that D2 is a pvm-game, it's _not meant_ to be balanced in pvp.
If it was, blizzard wouldn't have given infinite mana to _only two_ classes. That makes no sense.

So basically, without manapots paladins >>> sorcs >>>> everything else. In a non-mana-regenerating enviroment barbs would be far superior to anything else.

Now nothing of this matters since manapots are generally accepted by 99.98% of all people who pvp, while healing/rejuvs are _N O T_. It's as simple as that.

I use meditation on my hammerdin all the time. Makes it more even vs manapotting eshield sorcs etc. I just dont use 50 or even 20 life repl/sec vs barbs or other meleechars since they are weak enough already.

In the end it's just common sense. High life repl = immunity vs melee. Do you use 100% absorb vs sorcs and call it "dueling"? Cause it isn't...

[Imperor]

Hammerdins have so big advantage over barbs even with base prayer that manapots shouldn't be a concern at all.
Remember that D2 is a pvm-game, it's _not meant_ to be balanced in pvp.
If it was, blizzard wouldn't have given infinite mana to _only two_ classes. That makes no sense.

So basically, without manapots paladins >>> sorcs >>>> everything else. In a non-mana-regenerating enviroment barbs would be far superior to anything else.

Now nothing of this matters since manapots are generally accepted by 99.98% of all people who pvp, while healing/rejuvs are _N O T_. It's as simple as that.

I use meditation on my hammerdin all the time. Makes it more even vs manapotting eshield sorcs etc. I just dont use 50 or even 20 life repl/sec vs barbs or other meleechars since they are weak enough already.

In the end it's just common sense. High life repl = immunity vs melee. Do you use 100% absorb vs sorcs and call it "dueling"? Cause it isn't...

1. I mean using repl life in duel smite vs WW in my words above.
2. I agree, hammerdin is hard for barb without repl life. But what about other classes? Barb with mana potting is very hard for melee druids, melee assa, melee pala, traps assa, fire, cold and lighting sorc, bow and light ama and poison necro... Barb is hard enough for winddruid and necros (hi is mana potting too So, WW is very powerfull attack...
3. IMO trading mana potions in shops - is error of Blizzard, increasing disbalance, and this error will fixed in future. I hope also, Blizzard will reduce damage of hammers. I hope also, absorb will reduce too. But this is my IMO.

[MoD]

I would like to think I am an experienced Barbarian player. I can beat 90% of all smiters. I use BOTD ghost spear and dish out 11k, with 6.7k life. I can actually outreach smiters, even if it doesn't always seem like it. The ones who run at me are quickly sliced up with retreating whirlwinds at awkward angles. The ones who sit there are much harder, but can still be dealt with, using calculated whirlwinds and leap to stun and outreach them. The hardest ones to duel are the smiters with over 30k defense and who teleport right on top of me. I rarely beat those guys.

[zirilion]

not that hard to get 30k def

especially with exile

i did a legit single def tester for a smiter with all perf gear and he had 70+k def
(not using eni)

[kingdryland]

not that hard to get 30k def

especially with exile

i did a legit single def tester for a smiter with all perf gear and he had 70+k def
(not using eni)

Let me guess. 3k-ish eth glitched prudence, 1.8k def exile, high def coa,dungo,eth treks or uped gores, prebuff holy shield with hoz and astreon's 4, 9xpala combats,torch/anni etc etc