Hi need help to make PVP FoH

[chaozhc]

Do you not see Enigma in my "Spare items"?
Do you not see me mentioning that I always use Doom VS Melees? Doom > ANY Melee but WWers, and there are no good WWers on HC because Zerkers ****ing rip them up. I never said Hybrids suck, I said going half-assed two ways never works well in PvP. Certain builds are meant to be dual element, but starting a WWer and going Zerker half way through is not a build, its stupidity.

I had a point in smite as a pre-req and I want to see ANY melee besides WWers take down a Smiter with Holy Freeze aura from Doom. I do not have DR because I have more defence than any build besides pure smiters, and I rarely get hit (Read, Eth items ROCK). If I feel I will be unable to kill a build in a few hits, I will play more defencively, using enigma and HoTo rather than my base equipment, allowing me to out-tele tele-WWers/Zerkers, while still hitting them. 205 Res Shield + 75 res in hell only makes for 380 Light Res, And I would knock you down to 50 Light Res anyways. I did not say my build was infallible, as no build is, but at the time, it was the closest thing to being perfect with the current duelers around. Winning duels is all situational, so do not bash my build because I took advantage of the situation. This is a "PvP FoH" help thread, and I was simply giving my advice on the build to maximize effectiveness, so if you have nothing positive to contribute, shut the **** up and walk away.

[dkay]

Do you not see Enigma in my "Spare items"?
Do you not see me mentioning that I always use Doom VS Melees? Doom > ANY Melee but WWers, and there are no good WWers on HC because Zerkers ****ing rip them up. I never said Hybrids suck, I said going half-assed two ways never works well in PvP. Certain builds are meant to be dual element, but starting a WWer and going Zerker half way through is not a build, its stupidity.

I had a point in smite as a pre-req and I want to see ANY melee besides WWers take down a Smiter with Holy Freeze aura from Doom. I do not have DR because I have more defence than any build besides pure smiters, and I rarely get hit (Read, Eth items ROCK). If I feel I will be unable to kill a build in a few hits, I will play more defencively, using enigma and HoTo rather than my base equipment, allowing me to out-tele tele-WWers/Zerkers, while still hitting them. 205 Res Shield + 75 res in hell only makes for 380 Light Res, And I would knock you down to 50 Light Res anyways. I did not say my build was infallible, as no build is, but at the time, it was the closest thing to being perfect with the current duelers around. Winning duels is all situational, so do not bash my build because I took advantage of the situation. This is a "PvP FoH" help thread, and I was simply giving my advice on the build to maximize effectiveness, so if you have nothing positive to contribute, shut the **** up and walk away.

your cockyness pisses me off. nothing more ^^

pure foher once again = crap.

heres some fun facts for you:
most of pubs are CASTERS not MELEE. if they are melee theres 2 that are competeitive:

wwbarbs
smiters.

any smiter with charge with backup will tear this build apart. esp mine since i shoved 10 points into light resist and all i have to do is stack.

wwbarbs.. well obviously they own the crap outta pure fohers.

now with all the melee covered lets go to casters:

once again a windy will pwn you.
once again a bp necro will pwn you.
once again any decent es/sorc will pwn you.
hammerdins will beat you.
v.ts will beat you.
mages will beat you.

hell.. even 7 frame zons have a chance to beat you unless you bm them with doom.
then what build is a pure foher exactly good in?

heres the reason why you DONT want a pure foher:
because you can hit 6k foh and 8k hammers with mage build.

you can hit 10k smite and 3.5kish foh with v.t
you can hit 5kish smite and 7k foh with t.v
YOU CAN HIT 4k HOLY FIRE AND SAME FOH DAMAGE WITH AURADIN.

half assed? once again its obvious that you havent dueled any good pallies/auradins.
you obviously have too much pride in your "number 1 foher " however you even claim yourself to be number one, than to admit your wrong.

[dkay]

forgot to mention the melee list:
ghosts

also it doesnt matter how much defence your have. smiters will always hit you and wwbarbs/ghosts only need about 8k whirls to beat you. its already been proven.

[dkay]

Also: Max Holy Bolt if you will be facing any beast necs, as the Bolts rip through summons insanely fast when maxed.

max holy bolt against beast necros... heh... that tells me a lot already.

[GkT]

Don't listen to that guy. It's easy to get that kind of Res in Pubs. 205 LR Shield, 20 Res from Hellfire Torch, 20 Res from Annihiuls, 30 Res from CoA. Also on NL, there are duped rings that give 60+ LR & FCR + other Mods...My Mage was built specifically to be able to have Max Res against Blizz Sorcs & FoHers at the same time. I'm sure any decent dueler would try to do the same.

Don't make a pure FoHer...they suck. Big balls.

With 'Grief' out now, you can make a T/V; yet still having a nice 8k Smite.

[chaozhc]

ES has no Res. I Win.
I Tele VS Necs, BP Necs, I Win.
Hammerdins at the time were unable to beat me simply because most sucked on HC or were pure PvMers. A good one could kill me.
Smiters "can" beat me, if made well.. then again, what cant smiters kill? At the time there were no smiters.
Mages just die, offensive builds vs me = Me win since I always get the first 1-2 hits.
Zons? Don't make me laugh 1 Hit KOs.

And for the record.. MANIAC pussed out of a duel against my FoHer in S2, as did Guerilla, and I 1 hit fluxxed bomb-z beast nec. But yeah, I've never dueled anybody good ever..

No wonder BM has only one good dueler (netdevil//xiled.), the rest of you think being in BM makes you good, when clearly it doesnt., I mean solidsnake alone basically ran you guys outta East, rather amusing

I was providing my experience for helping a FoHer, I never claimed it to be the best dueling class, I simply said you could gain alot of kills with it. I did not say I was the best dueler, simply that I had the best FoHer on East HC, so I was staying on topic providing help for a FoH build, and told him not to make a half-assed multi-branch FoHer. So *****, please run along, I've never even seen you on the dueling scene, maybe your a SC BM? lol..

[Bladewind]

Well you do certainly sound very arrogant but I guessed its well deserved. Anyone who plays HC demands respect, a HC dueller gets more salutes from me ever.

[dkay]

ES has no Res. I Win.
I Tele VS Necs, BP Necs, I Win.
Hammerdins at the time were unable to beat me simply because most sucked on HC or were pure PvMers. A good one could kill me.
Smiters "can" beat me, if made well.. then again, what cant smiters kill? At the time there were no smiters.
Mages just die, offensive builds vs me = Me win since I always get the first 1-2 hits.
Zons? Don't make me laugh 1 Hit KOs.

And for the record.. MANIAC pussed out of a duel against my FoHer in S2, as did Guerilla, and I 1 hit fluxxed bomb-z beast nec. But yeah, I've never dueled anybody good ever..

No wonder BM has only one good dueler (netdevil//xiled.), the rest of you think being in BM makes you good, when clearly it doesnt., I mean solidsnake alone basically ran you guys outta East, rather amusing

I was providing my experience for helping a FoHer, I never claimed it to be the best dueling class, I simply said you could gain alot of kills with it. I did not say I was the best dueler, simply that I had the best FoHer on East HC, so I was staying on topic providing help for a FoH build, and told him not to make a half-assed multi-branch FoHer. So *****, please run along, I've never even seen you on the dueling scene, maybe your a SC BM? lol..

-heh i KNEW you would say this and this is how i know you suck. so your saying that a foher can beat a necro with maxed resist... ever read threads in the pvp forum? you know why fohers beat necros? its because they desync and the necro cant see where the pally is. if you are forced to use tele then the necro has clear shots at you. "i CAn TElE sO i PwNZ nCro eZ" doesnt mean necros < fohers. it just means you havent dueled anyone good, any good necro can blast you with spirits and spears unless you desync.

-how do you win when es has no resist? ever duel a sorc with 5k mana? takes a lot more fohs than you think.

-yes any good hammerdin can beat you. were not taking "crappy duelers" into consideration.

- uhhh.. no mages = win because they have same foh damage (maybe 1k lower) and a 8k hammerd backup along with a powerful charge. if your saying your more skilled then them thats different. were talking about waht build is better than which with similar skill leveled duelists.

-zons = 61% dodge. once they shoot you have to charge away since you'll be in hit recovery.

-smiters make up for 50% of melee pvp, most i duel are very good at desyncing then coming in when you least suspect, not smart to underestimate them.

- what makes me bm? if i was really bm id just slap on x2 wisps + t gods + grief pb on my hammerdin and simply smite you with a crappy smite to death but i never took absorb into consideration. i dont know where you got BM from.

to me it seems that your saying that foh can beat builds and that mages and auradins are crappy half *** builds simply because you havent dueled good people long enough. probably because you were on ladder which i dont blame you ^^.

[dkay]

oh yes.. why didnt you mention anything about holyfire/foh auradins? i noticed you forgot to bag on them? possibily because this half assed build is better than pure fohers who max holybolt ? lol....... sorry but you maxing holybolt made me laugh.

[dkay]

Don't listen to that guy. It's easy to get that kind of Res in Pubs. 205 LR Shield, 20 Res from Hellfire Torch, 20 Res from Annihiuls, 30 Res from CoA. Also on NL, there are duped rings that give 60+ LR & FCR + other Mods...My Mage was built specifically to be able to have Max Res against Blizz Sorcs & FoHers at the same time. I'm sure any decent dueler would try to do the same.

Don't make a pure FoHer...they suck. Big balls.

With 'Grief' out now, you can make a T/V; yet still having a nice 8k Smite.

ya.... esp his. since he maxed holy bolt against those dangerous beast necros................!

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edit:

to the original poster:

you have 5 build options
- mage with high foh and hammer backup (8k hammer at high levels)
- v.t with medium foh and very very high smite (7-10k smite)
- auradin with same foh damage and a nice 4k holy fire (these guys are annoying as hell in pubs, very good too if you know how to use)
- t.v with same foh damage and VERY nice smite backup (round 5k damage)

...... or a pure foher with nothing more than maxed holybolt to kill off beast necros.... even though they cant minion stack haha..... oh ya.. "uBeR hGh defence".