Bush accepts responsibility for Federal response

[FreezerBurn]

Couple things from Amazon, but the first thing that popped up was

http://www.brine.com/bb/showflat.php...b=5&o=&fpart=6

Now I didn't read most of the stuff on there, but you aren't going to try to claim that that is a credible source, are you?

Do I really need to teach you how to use google? From CBS:

We broke up about 20 al Qaeda cells. We arrested some of their people. We prevented several terrorist incidents, including attempts to blow up planes flying into Los Angeles -- to blow up the Los Angeles airport over the millennium, to blow up sites in the Middle East as well as in the United States over the millennium

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in624848.shtml

Now do you think CBS is a credible source? :uhhuh:

No, tell the American public that terrorism was a serious threat that needed to be addressed seriously whoever came into power next. Tell the American public that they should be vigilant and encourage more spending and vigilance concerning airport security.

He and his administration repeatedly said it was a serious threat. Bush never mentioned it once in a single speech.

You really need to fix that problem. I never said he should have gone to war.

You said he should tell the public what he was doing. He was planning a potential war.

Eight years ago huh? What was that, 1997?

Wow, you must have gotten an A in math. Considering it says 1997 right there in the article, I hope you didn't strain too hard to figure that out.

Not really. You mentioned 20 foot snorkels IIRC.

I also told you I was joking about them driving around like submarines in New Orleans. But that they have the ability to do it if needed.

See, the problem is I don't know exactly how it happened, and you probably don't either. But essentially, the CAE basically said that they didn't have the time to prepare even if they had the money.

They said not everything would have been done. The levee system would certainly have been better off had their budgets not been slashed. Whether or not that would have made a difference, I don't think anyone knows. But the timing is almost beside the point. No one knew exactly when a hurricane would hit, but we knew it would happen sooner or later. People were working towards a solution. Bush hampered that.

And they money they did get they didn't spend on the levees. ?

At that point they were complaining they didn't have enough funds for proper maintenance. Let alone improvements.

And of course the bills that had to pass through Congress.

What part of "the support of his own party" did you not get?

Then they are partly responsible for that. But don't you think your city and state has a much greater responsibility to develop effective evacuation plans than the federal government? Regardless of the failures of FEMA, it's no excuse to say, "oh, they should have done it so we didn't prepare for a hurricane. We thought the government was going to do that!"

If you think about it, it's something that needs to be planned on a national level. You have to move those people to multiple cities in multiple states all over the country. We have a lot of them here in houston (they're on their way to arkansas no with Rita coming to town) and I've heard they're as far away as Arizona. You need planning on a national level for that.

[Amra]

Ya right ... just in case you missed those links

Most of those links are bunk and you know it. Shame on you.

llads way of posting a link everyone: "First Responders Urged Not To Respond"

Actual title: "First Responders Urged Not To Respond To Hurricane Impact Areas Unless Dispatched By State, Local Authorities"

There you have it.

Maybe llad if you were a first responder you would understand that there are rules we have to abide. Your weak attempts at deception are shameful. Shame on you.

On the contrary, FEMA has been losing qualified people by the droves ... their morale is in the toilet.

Again, (and why don't you get this??), I have not said FEMA is perfect. There are problems and I do hold Bush accountable for that. Getting Brown out was a step in the right direction. Maybe instead of being so negative all the time, you should look at the good things that are happening.

Oh, and I don't read the Washington Post.

Sure, everything is just peachy-keen ... if you live on a different planet

Trying deception again? I have never claimed things with FEMA are perfect or "peachy-keen". Same goes for NASA. Or the Boy Scouts. Or the Catholic church. But rather than just complain, I prefer to try and help out as my abilities and circumstances allow.

But OK, if you want some, I will take you to task.

Take me to task?

Next time you run a fire call or go to a motor vehicle accident at 3am with a FEMA firefighter by your side that wasn't hired 4 years ago, let us know.

Next time you spend a weekend training side by side with FEMA employees (firemen) in order to better prepare for an emergency, let us know.

Next time you save a baby while working hand in hand with FEMA fireman, let us know.

I have been there and done that.

I am not here to toot my own horn but I felt like I had to speak up.

This is getting more personal than I generally care to get here. Sorry mods. But really llad, you really don't understand how things have changed for first responders since 9/11. I am not a big fan of increased federal spending but there have been big improvements. It's probably my fault for not talking about that more here.

But then that is not my way.

[llad12]

Actually, I can reasonably say that you blame Bush for just about everything and NEVER give him credit for anything. If you disagree, then find me a couple posts (which would still fall under the 95% category judging by the number of posts you have) where you acknowledge, if not praise, something Bush has done right. I think you'll have trouble with that.

And of course you'll argue he's done nothing right. But he's taken responsibility as he should have as a leader, and he has appointed a more qualified FEMA head. So, you do have something to work with. It might not be much, but then, I don't think you'll find even one post, so I'm not too concerned about that.

ya right ... is that the only justification you have for your BS?

It's your claim ... prove it.

Illegal? Unjustified sure, illegal, not really- quite arguable I should say. I believe this was discussed (including the UN resolutions making it legal for Bush to attack Iraq) in an earlier thread.

Garbage ... the security council never approved any such resolution.

More tripe

Most of the complaints you have are specifically directed at Bush, not everyone who does the things you say. As for OBL, there was another thread that I participated in that explained why OBL probably hasn't been captured yet.

Glad you participated ...

Nothing like starting an unjustified war to take your eye off the leader of AQ 'eh?

The rest is obviously purely anti-Bush. You don't bash everyone, or anyone who doesn't support stem cell research and those other things.

Nah, I just whack on the idiot that would veto any such bill which might alleviate the suffering of millions..

You say them because that's what Bush believes. There are PLENTY of people who don't support the research.

Them God-fearing evangelists? ...

They ain't got the veto power buddy

Red herring ...

There have been and are plenty of politicians who do the tax break deal.

I didn't vote for our foolish Oklahoma senators either ... but that's another red herring.

It was the president's tax package(s) ... whether done as an incentive for the economy or as an election rebate.

His policies have run up deficits faster than a Ferrari at Le Mans.

You can't really justify the OBL one, and as mentioned somewhere earlier, there are very good reasons as to why it might not be in US interests to catch OBl.

Sure ... Osama ain't important in the Neocon plan of hegemony, empire, and imperialism.

But when it comes down to it, you're just as bad as the fanatical republicans you try to degrade.

You seem to be the one defending and supporting their plans. Are you a closet Neocon?

Sure. :uhhuh:

I know it will never happen. But one can only hope that the man responsible for perpetrating a terrible war on false pretenses should be brought to justice.

Llad, let's face it. If Bush cured cancer, world hunger, ended war, balanced the budget, and fixed every problem you could imagine, you would come up with some remark and point out how he did such a bad job of doing it. Or, if you could find no flaw in that, you'd bring up the failures he was partly (but not entirely) responsible for simply because you were angry that you could find something to blame him for.

Look in the mirror, all you have is hyperbole and rants ...

Twice, I have seen you run from debates when called out on your assumptions. Your modus operandi reminds me of a typical Republican ploy ... attack the person not the issues.

tch tch ...

[FreezerBurn]

If Bush cured cancer, world hunger, ended war, balanced the budget, and fixed every problem you could imagine, you would come up with some remark and point out how he did such a bad job of doing it. Or, if you could find no flaw in that, you'd bring up the failures he was partly (but not entirely) responsible for simply because you were angry that you could find something to blame him for.

If bush could chew pretzels and watch TV at the same time, I'd give him credit for that.

[llad12]

Most of those links are bunk and you know it. Shame on you

Sorry you feel that way ...

Want another one?

Oh, and I don't read the Washington Post.

Ya, those guys are just a bunch of lying losers ...

Trying deception again? I have never claimed things with FEMA are perfect or "peachy-keen". Same goes for NASA. Or the Boy Scouts. Or the Catholic church. But rather than just complain, I prefer to try and help out as my abilities and circumstances allow.

I have little doubt of your sincerity.

Take me to task?

Next time you run a fire call or go to a motor vehicle accident at 3am with a FEMA firefighter by your side that wasn't hired 4 years ago, let us know.

Next time you spend a weekend training side by side with FEMA employees (firemen) in order to better prepare for an emergency, let us know.

Next time you save a baby while working hand in hand with FEMA fireman, let us know.

Next time you fill up your car or turn on your gas heater to keep yourself from freezing ... let me know.

We all do what we do Amra ...

This is getting more personal than I generally care to get here. Sorry mods. But really llad, you really don't understand how things have changed for first responders since 9/11. I am not a big fan of increased federal spending but there have been big improvements. It's probably my fault for not talking about that more here.

But then that is not my way.

My apologies if you are upset ... I am sure you are a fine person.

But I am not going to pull punches for what I have read and seen.

Lets leave it at that.

[Ranger14]

Next time you fill up your car or turn on your gas heater to keep yourself from freezing ... let me know.

We all do what we do Amra ...

What you do has nothing to do with FEMA, Llad. Do you work with and alongside FEMA workers on a regular basis? Next time there is a discussion on gas prices or oil supply, please feel free to pull the occupation card to back up a contention.

In case you didn't "get it", Amra is a firefighter and has seen first-hand the positive aspects of FEMA. You just choose to keep your close-minded perspective and not accept anything positive about FEMA, Bush, or whatever else doesn't float your boat. At least we are open-minded enough to admit that Bush has made mistakes.

[jimmyboy]

I didn't read your articles, and I don't dispute that the Chinese some U.S debt, but not as much as is popular to believe.

http://www.publicdebt.treas.gov/opd/opdpdodt.htm

Of the 8 trillion of U.S government debt, 3.3 trillion is owed to the U.S government (isn't the ironing delicious?)

Of the remaining 4.7 trillion, a grand total of slightly less than 2 trillion is owed to ALL foreign investors--including central banks and individuals. That isn't all held by the Chinese, the Japanese have a thing for weakening their currency too.

http://www.fms.treas.gov/bulletin/b35ofs.doc

You're looking at the over all debt to which some were sold 30 years ago. That's why it's not a big deal.

You need to examine the figures on how US bonds are purchase in the last 3-4 years and how they are currently being purchase.

"China is the second-largest foreign holder of U.S. Treasury securities, with $243 billion in Treasuries at the end of May, vs. $165 billion a year earlier, according to the Treasury Department (USA Today)"

"One simple basis for that Bush boom is that China is recycling its US$100 billion-plus trade surplus with the US back into dollars, and especially into US Treasury bonds. Almost half of the US Treasury bonds are now owned in Asia. So China is financing Bush's bold economic experiment: running two or more wars simultaneously with a huge budget and trade deficit, and equally huge tax handouts for the richest Americans. (Asia Times)"

[jimmyboy]

I don't know if you coined the term. I must have missed that. But Llad takes shots at his entire administration. Don't know about the bed part, but I believe Llad also brought up Haliburton. Llad also brings up his low intelligence a lot. And I think Llad thinks Bush is more of a Rove puppet than Cheney. I'm not really sure about that one, but you certainly don't have a very strong position at this point compared to him.

No no no, I'm the I bought up Haliburton. Here's another one to show you how Bush loves Haliburton.

"WASHINGTON - Government auditors are questioning whether several multimillion-dollar Katrina contracts — including one involving a Halliburton Co. subsidiary — invite abuse because they are open-ended and not clearly defined.

The contracts, for services such as levee repair and emergency housing, were granted to companies based on their pre-existing business relationships with the government. Critics say the arrangements foster cronyism because a few repeat players typically get the best deals..."

The rest is here:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050922/...4yBHNlYwNmYw--

[Module88]

ya right ... is that the only justification you have for your BS?

It's your claim ... prove it.

This is a joke right? You're not honestly asking me to prove that you try to blame Bush for everything that goes wrong 95% of the time right? I would consider that a fact. When was the last time you said ANYTHING good about Bush? Look at this thread. He's starting to do the right thing. Let me guess- "More empty words"?

Garbage ... the security council never approved any such resolution.

More tripe

So I take it then that if Saddam refused to allow weapons inspectors in and failed to comply with the resolutions, the UN would just sit on it's *** right?

Nothing like starting an unjustified war to take your eye off the leader of AQ 'eh?

Sure ... Osama ain't important in the Neocon plan of hegemony, empire, and imperialism.

This doesn't take a lot of brainpower, but most people in America today seem to be lacking creative thinking skills. But, to avoid making a summary of something that deserves more, I'll just ask you this. Would you support sending troops to Pakistan/ any other country our intelligence groups say he is in to hunt him down?

Nah, I just whack on the idiot that would veto any such bill which might alleviate the suffering of millions..

They ain't got the veto power buddy

Red herring ...

I already explained the RH situation. But uh, you do know that he can't veto a bill that doesn't pass first, right?

It was the president's tax package(s) ... whether done as an incentive for the economy or as an election rebate.

His policies have run up deficits faster than a Ferrari at Le Mans.

Ok...?

You seem to be the one defending and supporting their plans. Are you a closet Neocon?

See this is the kind of crap I'm talking about. I'm going to give a brief explanation (or as brief as I can make it).

Voila (Excuse me Cyber, Freezer, and Mac, if I put you in the wrong spot).

"Neocon Nazi's"- CyberHawk, Smeg, Jm


Moderates- Ranger, Me


"Crackpot Liberals"- Llad, Freezer, Mac


See, your statement is BS. The first reason being I don't support Bush, the Iraq war, or his foreign policy. However, Ranger and I are much more objective than either of the two sides. We can make such arguments because our eyes aren't closed, we don't have fingers in our ears, and we're not constantly repeating "It's all the crackpot liberal's fault" or "It's all Bush's fault" in our heads. Being that the Conservative side is relatively dormant for the moment (probably hibernating), Ranger and I are one of the only ones left to counterbalance your fanatical liberalism. Let's face it. Ranger and I can see both sides of the picture. We blame Bush when he deserves it, and we give him credit when he deserves it. You on the other hand, will blame Bush no matter what happens, and the other side will mostly defend him.

No offense to the guys on the list- I'm just using you because I believe you're the most polar ones here.

Sure, we're biased a bit. But we certainly don't let that get in the way of acknowledging what deserves to be acknowledged. We can acknowledge Bush made many mistakes and had few successes. You can only acknowledge that he only made mistakes- which is simply not true.

Look in the mirror, all you have is hyperbole and rants ...

Twice, I have seen you run from debates when called out on your assumptions. Your modus operandi reminds me of a typical Republican ploy ... attack the person not the issues.

tch tch ...

:lol: Who's making assumptions now? Where did I "run"? I have had dormant periods which occur sporadically yes, but I don't ignore points. I acknowledge the other side when credit is due, and I admit when I'm wrong. You on the other hand, can do neither, and I've seen you "run" from plenty of statements that blow your argument out of the water. You simply ignore them and move on. And what exaggerations have I made?

And please, don't get me started on the last one. Who is the one attacking Bush for anything and everything again? :uhhuh:

If bush could chew pretzels and watch TV at the same time, I'd give him credit for that.

I seriously doubt that for some reason.

No no no, I'm the I bought up Haliburton. Here's another one to show you how Bush loves Haliburton.

I'm pretty sure Llad started a thread about it a while back. I'm not quite sure. There are also gaps, as I take sporadic vacations. So, if it was during that time, I probably wouldn't have seen it.

[jimmyboy]

Voila (Excuse me Cyber, Freezer, and Mac, if I put you in the wrong spot).

"Neocon Nazi's"- CyberHawk, Smeg, Jm


Moderates- Ranger, Me


"Crackpot Liberals"- Llad, Freezer, Mac

Oh my GOD!!!!

I didn't make the list again!

How many time must I bash Bush and his entire cabinet to get on the list?!!!