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    Quote Originally Posted by sirpoopsalot
    [hijack] why am I penalized at a higher rate than someone with kids?
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    The same reason you probably pay a much lower rate than Bill Gates. Kids cost money, lots of it, to care for.
    [econ lesson] This has to do with what's called "diminishing margianal returns" ie. a decrease in the "goodness" you get from each increment of something, in this case a buck.
    Things like candy bars are usually used as an example; the first candy bar tastes really good, and the second is very nice, but if you had to sit down and eat 20, #6 won't taste as good as #1 and by the time you got to #20, you might be feeling sick (thus the "goodness" went from positive, to negative.) A poor starving college student who won a pizza party would flip. He would get much more good from the $15 of free pizza than Bill Gates would.
    Now, how's that work with money you ask? Well, any currency is just a repesentative of the goods you can buy, and at a certian point, you can't really buy anymore. If a CEO making 6 figures got an extra $1000 dollars, he might spend it on a hot tub remote control so he doesn't have to wait for it to start up when he get home (yes, BG already has this luxury); wearas a poor farmer having trouble making his morgage would use it on his shelter (a basic need). [/econ lesson]

    You'd get the same deduction if you were caring for an incapasicated parent or other person over whom you had leagal gaurdianship. So to debunk myth #1: you don't pay less taxes because you bore a child, you pay less taxes becuase your usable income is lower.

    (sorry H A) Myth #2: property tax is the only way to pay for state funded edu. The US federal government gives money to states earmarked for education. This is the reason that states have to pay attention to the government when it comes to things like "No Child Left Behind". Read the Constitution and you'll find that the feds have no control over education (or the highway system) directly. They control the standards (like speed limit in the 80s) by giving or withholding money. Otherwise some states could never afford it (Mississippi comes to mind) and others would have too much to know what to do with it (that is actually a problem Nevada had to face in the last session of legistator here.)

    @ NSX; educating the populace is what allows the economy to grow.
    Countries that invest the most in education also tend to be the richest and have the highest rates of growth of per capita output. Note the growth rate effect: not only are countries with more education richer, they also seem to grow faster.
    see here under returns to eduction and technology.
    You can't work if no one can afford what you you produce, and they can't make something to sell to you if they don't know how.

    And if you think the US (or Quebec) is bad, look at Sweden. One year Ingreid Bergman paid 102% of her yearly income in taxes.




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    Quote Originally Posted by water_moon
    @ NSX; educating the populace is what allows the economy to grow.
    Education I have no problem with, but here it's basically the people are relying on/expecting the gouv to pay for their kids since the day they are born. Diapers, milk, daycare, you name it and they want it.

    Shouldn't people make sure they actually have the financial resources before start popping out those babies? :rolleyes:

    At least the european contries have their system working, here they are spending zillions patching up a system that's apparently not working.

    Case in example, I tried to make a hospital appointment, but was told as far as the doc's schedule is known, there is no opening spots. There are also news on people waiting for surgery/treatment for so long, they died because of their illness before their appointment.




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    Quote Originally Posted by NSXdreamer
    And you are complaining about that? Come to Quebec and your eyes will be bleeding after you see how much the gouv is paying for the kids. Any talk of reducing that you got yourself tons of whining $#^$#'s about how they can't afford their kids otherwise.

    You screwed your wife and had all the pleasure, why should I pay for the consequences. :mad:
    Quote Originally Posted by Essojay
    And they still seem inefficient.
    Hmm, I wonder which one should I kill first

    @NSX: Our "*"whining"*" was to keep what our parents gained in the 70's : The right for everyone to have a proper education. A lot of my friends couldn't afford CEGEP w/o scholarship since they parents aren't giving them any money.

    @Essojay: Well.... try it and judge after that.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleepless
    @Essojay: Well.... try it and judge after that.
    I'm in the process.
    I was just being cheeky in the inefficient comment. I actually think the Canadian education system is actually quite good (here in Vancouver, anyway).




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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleepless
    Hmm, I wonder which one should I kill first

    @NSX: Our "*"whining"*" was to keep what our parents gained in the 70's : The right for everyone to have a proper education. A lot of my friends couldn't afford CEGEP w/o scholarship since they parents aren't giving them any money.

    @Essojay: Well.... try it and judge after that.
    Like I said in my previous post, I have no problem with that part, it's the baby thing that is pissing me off. It's like people "expect" gouv/everyone else to pay for their kids, even though everywhere else in the world it should be their responsibility.




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    Quote Originally Posted by water_moon
    So to debunk myth #1: you don't pay less taxes because you bore a child, you pay less taxes becuase your usable income is lower.
    If your usable income is lower because of paying to feed and shelter a child (or incapacitated adult) then it is lower for paying for my own food and shelter. My grocery bills would be a tax deduction under this theory because the need to eat to stay alive reduces my usable income.




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    Quote Originally Posted by tenaka
    If your usable income is lower because of paying to feed and shelter a child (or incapacitated adult) then it is lower for paying for my own food and shelter. My grocery bills would be a tax deduction under this theory because the need to eat to stay alive reduces my usable income.
    You do get to take an exemption for you, so long as no one else does (ie. your parents/gaurdian aren't claiming you, and to claim you they have to provide more than 50% of your support.) You have a lower tax bracket if your income is lower.

    edit: assuming you live in the US, and if that's not the case then I'm sorry that your government doesn't follow sound economic policy.




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    *clears throat*

    Folks, this thread is about school boards/administration dictating the length of a guy's hair. It's gone far OT from the original OT topic. The tax discussion is actually interesting, but let's drop it in this thread, ok?




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    I say fashion should be individual to the person. If a girl wants to wear a bikini to school let her. If I want to have long hair, I'm gonna have long hair. (which I do)

    @ the fighting subject: I was raised with this rule... "If someone hits you, kick their ***' No matter what the school says... I have been faced with that "Zero Tolerance" Crap multiple times, and still, even if I get expelled, I'm not gonna let some punk walk all over me dammit.

    SCREW THE SYSTEM!!!:lol:
    -Jon-




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    Rules like this are mainly for 2 reasons. One is safety, and the second is dealing with good learning environments. It is not the schools system's job to cater to the latest fashion craze or to whatever phase a student is passing through. I don't have time to discuss though, as I'm babysitting so my wife can recover from childbirth

    My "phase" in high school was a mullet and cowboy boots

    @ Hendrix: getting expelled for fighting on campus is pretty stupid. If you just can't walk away (and if no punches are thrown, I don't know why you couldn't), meet them after school off-campus and lay some beatdown on them then!




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