I have a 200%ED Buriza and I'm wondering if I should upgrade it. I have an upgraded WWS but it feels a little slow. Buriza could also put Critical Strike to use and not worry about piercing (which cancels each other out since I usually spend 10 points into one or the other). The only thing I'm concerned about is the speed of the Buriza since it's actually a bit slow compared to the WWS, I'm not so worried about the strength requirements on it since the damage it does compensates for it.
Can't seem to edit my post, so sorry about this double post.
Did some calculations and with the 200% increase on damage..
Buriza (Ballista)
99-165 (99-185)
Buriza after upgrade (to Collosus Crossbow)
96-273 (96-393)
So, it gives about 100 more damage from upgrade. With a 50% crit chance (just taking the maximum damage since the minimum is practically the same), it'll deal 330 un-upgraded, 546 when upgraded. It also has ~100 addition cold damage and ~120 to maximum damage. It could easily reach 12/3.5 Strafe which equals out to about 2 seconds for the Strafe cycle.
Now as for comparison with my 162% WWS...
Witchwild String (Short Siege Bow)
34-78
Witchwild String after upgrade (Diamond Bow)
86-104
With practically 100% crit chance, it'll deal 68-156 un-upgraded, 172-208 after upgrade. It could Amplify, but the chances are so small/random, I find it difficult to calculate. It could reach 9/2 with some gears which equals out to about a little over 1 second.
I count the deadly strike from WWS and pierce from Buriza as the same to keep things simple since going WWS would give 2x the damage but with 50% pierce and Buriza has 50% crit with 100% pierce. As for speed vs. damage, WWS attacks ~twice as fast as Buriza, so it deals about 344-416 every two seconds. Buriza deals 96-393 over that same amount of time, but since I calculate pierce and crit as the same, it'll deal about 192-786, adding the cold damage, it'll deal ~242-836. So it turns out as...
Over 2 second period..
WWS deals 344-416
Buriza deals 242-836
Overall, the damage wise, it seems like the Buriza beats WWS by ~300 damage.
Did I do the calculations right? I'm kind of confusing myself.
My calculations are a bit off, I forgot to factor in the rest of the arrows/bolts that comes from Strafe, so the Buriza actually deals ~3000 more damage assuming that all 10 bolts hit. At least I'm pretty sure this is how it works.
So assuming that the 3k extra damage is correct, I think it's actually worth the upgrade as a comparison to WWS. Or 1k more damage compared to the un-upgraded Buriza.
The strength requirement isn't a big deal to me, it's just strength. If it wasn't into strength, it would be into dex and that 60 dex or so won't add 300 more damage.
i made a burzazon from a guide and come to find pearce/guided arrow don't work what should i do with this char that now has 20 guided arrow
10 multi shot 6 crit is it salvageable or should i start over?
That would give about 60 damage, not enough to sway me from the strength argument.
pinov: Guided Arrow stopped working with pierce after 1.09. Your zon could still work for PvP, but for PvM, it's hardly worth using since I find that Strafe is better for PvM.
looks like you will be making a big mistake if you are comparing wws and buriza damages this way....forgetting about upgrading for a moment....it doesn't really matter what damage shows on the lying character screen....you should be trying to determine how much damage you can do over a set period of TIME....using the speeds you quoted there is a considerable difference between a zon shooting 12/3.5 and one shooting 8/2...of course there are other modifiers that should also be considered like amp on the wws....and NO the chance is not a small as you have stated...on a properly built strafer with good a/r and adequate pierce amp will trigger often
bow comparisons have been beat to death is past threads i am sure with a little searching you can dig up some very good posts that will answer your questions....ask yourself this....why do so many more ladder zons now use a wws than use a burito?
btw ....you should rethink the ed from stats.....check out the facts and formulas link to determine how much more the ed will actually help you....it is >>>>>than the 60 points you think
I have an upgraded WWS actually and the amp doesn't happen as often as I would like and it doesn't kill as fast which is why I'm considering an upgrade Buriza.
As for your question, my guess is that most people prefer the speed over the damage. Also, if the amp made such a significant difference, wouldn't more people be using Atma's Scarab?
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Originally Posted by superdave
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