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    The state of hardcore dueling.

    Its getting kind of depressing... It seems like I know EVERY legit dueler on the damn realm. I swear, whenever I run into a legit dueler, I'm amazed, until I realize that its somebody I know.
    It seems like every other dueler has maphack and chickenhack. If you are lucky to get a game with people of dueling level (not the usual contingency of level 75's and level 3's), most of the time, NOBODY will duel!

    Why? Because everyone maphacks everyone else (evident from the countless "hit w"'s), and decides who they are sure they can beat. They then proceed to challenge only that select group of people they think they can beat, and refuse to duel anyone else. Say its:

    A level 9 assassin, a level 14 kicker, a Level 14 charger, and 2 level 18 chargers:

    The 9 will scan and refuse to duel anyone (though she really shouldnt)
    The level 14 kicker will refuse to duel the 18's, though will feel that dueling the 9 is quite fair.
    The 14 charger will, if his gear is optimal, challenge the 14 kicker, but not unless he's sure he can win, and will also hostile the level 9.

    The 18's will both refuse to duel eachother, and will both hostile everyone else.

    Thats a SLIGHT exaggeration, but it really seems like thats the way it is. If we were going for realism, a level 80 necromancer would join and hostile everyone, and then everyone would go get their level 80 necromancers, and would all argue about how awesome they are from town, but, not being 100% sure they can win, would never actually duel.

    In the event that I AM so lucky as to get a duel, usually vs someone who is confident they can beat me (such as the bmpker who said my level 45 assassin was a "lame town casting shadow master asn" because she maphacked me and saw all my prebuff gear on) If they are right, I lose, if they are wrong, they chicken.

    Its damn near impossible to get any kills unless you are a 1hit build these days in dueling, which really sucks, because it takes away any variety. Everyone goes with chargers, and since everyone else is a charger, everyone is terrified to duel them, for fear they will be 1hit, and their chicken wont save them.

    Mid level dueling is even worse. Its a series of level 53ish Oath using characters, who duel once, then decide the winner, and will never duel again. Mid level dueling is basically sitting in town, waiting to be hostiled by high levels, because its really rare any mid levels actually duel.

    So yeah, this is just me ranting a little bit about the state of hardcore dueling today. This is coming from the death of my jabber yesterday, sort of. I dueled some guys lvl 15 charger, and won of course
    (despite his rather unique set of rules: No potting, though mana was, of course, since he needed it, fine. No standing against walls, heaven forbid we use any STRATEGY. He then proceeded to call me a whole horde of names when I told him his rules were stupid, though for the sake of actually dueling someone, I abided by them)

    Anywho. Beat his 15 paladin, so he returned with his eth bec de corbin Insight charger. Now, this is, of course, a tough duel for a jabber, I figured I wont kill him, but I'll just play around, hopefully he wont land a high roll through my block/dodge. Well, he did. He slivered me in 1 hit, i juv'd, he landed another and 1hit me (I had ~850 life, she was level 21)

    Now, death is not what bothers me, at all. If it did, I wouldnt hardcore duel. What bothers me is how people reacted. They were SHOCKED that I had agreed to duel a level 28 paladin. With my 21 jabber? Thats not FAIR, but its not really that unfair, jabbers ARE an anti-charger build, and hes only 7 levels higher than me. The fact that everyone seemed so surprised that I had dueled him was a little weird, I knew i was at a disadvantage, but not a huge one, it was not that big a deal!

    I'm thinking I'm going to make all (lets see....) 2 or 3 duelers I have planned, and put most of my dueling gear to use, including the stuff I looted from her, then maybe, for kicks, try out softcore LLDing.

    Now why you ask, am I gonna maybe try SC LLDing? Not because dying bothers me, it doesnt, at all, I do NOT care if I die, thats why I hc duel, and thats why I duel people who I KNOW can kill me, and sometimes do.

    I may move over for a bit simply because hardcore dueling has gotten so low. While I enjoy dueling in hardcore more than I will SC, I cant STAND sitting endlessly in duel games waiting for someone who thinks they can beat me, but who I actually have a chance against. In other words, theres a lack of good, fair competition, and when that does come along, its usually in the form of a friend (spinal and I have some damn good duels for example ) So, its more about the fact I want to actually duel people who will actually fight, and not sit in town afraid to lose a couple pixels, it bugs the hell out of me how nobody fights in hc dueling games all too often.

    Therefore, I will probably try out SC dueling for a bit, just for the simple fact that people will actually fight me, not use chickenhack, not (usually) insist on scanning me before we duel, and it will be nice using builds which are NOT nessicarilly 1-hitters, and still getting kills from them, because people wont leave after 1hit (by which I mean chicken)

    So, I think I'll make my hardcore duelers I have planned, and maybe fool around on softcore, just for kicks, and actually get some fun dueling in.

    Ok, I've been skipping first block at school, I should go in now. Adios.

    -Matt




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    Well, I'll be heading back to school later tonight, and if someone can rush my duelers sometime this weekend that'll be another legit sparring partner for you -slash- partner in crime -slash- whatever. I was planning a 16 Zealot, 25 Kicksin, and 30 Hotpaws but I don't really have much of the Druid's gear yet.

    ... who am I kidding, my girlfriend will catch one wink of me playing D2 and get all pissy. I guess we'll see.




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    try this out ^^

    @matt, is in east, lots of fury druids?^^

    if there is, make char about like this and you will be suprised how many will want to duel you

    I have stayed in lvl range 34-40 fury druids, cause over that they get soo better items that if im gonna even try follow, it drains so much of my wealth ..

    but of course if lvl 50 druid wants to duel this char, ask if its ok you to duel with bo, im sure you will and then beat that druid too there is surely barbs who give it with pleasure ^^

    so The build is!

    Fanatism/zealer lvl 39 paladin


    more info

    Gear:

    guillames face (max)
    Shaft (max)
    strings
    goblin toes
    bloodfists? 10 ias
    rhyme paladin shield (cbf)
    angelic jewelry

    wpn, The ultimate uber ethreal ginters rift

    Skills:

    1 holy bolt
    1 blessed hammers
    1 smite
    1 charge
    1 holy shield
    1 concentration
    1 sacrifice--------->synergy giver to zeal so rest in here ^^
    1 might
    1 blessed aim
    1 concentration
    4 or more to zeal
    10 to fanatism

    Charms: sc of vita´s^^ i have still to uppgrade 5 sc´s then i have enough vita sc´s, atm i have 1282 life and 409-1247 damage with fana and without might merc. Goes around 5xx-15xx with might.

    Speed will be awesome ^^ One lvl 34 steeldriver druid said he have 4,8k life and he had to juv after juv when i zealed happily

    Test and fall in love in that char ^^

    -Arto-




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    If you ever want to start LLD-ing (or MLD for that matter) on SC on East let me know. I can PA all difficulties and probably have some extra LLD gear you can have.

    Thats about all I do now is low and mid duleing on softcore. Softcore dueling is actually fun because you do get duels and no one chickens and no one hacks. There's just no reason to. And the majority of people are really nice. There are always a few bad apples, but most of the people are OK.




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    guess why I peekay instead of entering duel games now?




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    i think goin to sc to duel is a great way to get dueling exp with new chars u havnt dueled with yet ...say u make a bone nec on hc and u have never dueled with one. Your prob not gonna get alot of practice on hc since noone duels.

    As 4 mid duels ...try makin a 58 eth oath bb barb and see how every other mid dueler turns into a ***** and the only people that will duel u are 80+botd fortatude barbs. I wasnt the least bit sad when he died ( to a 80 cs zon since noone else will duel lol) since it was the most boring time ive ever had with a dueler..

    make a 12 kicker pk ..alot of people think u are a joke and stay in the game when ur that lvl




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    On the other hand, low- and mid-lvl SC is all about offense. It might be a good place to practice using a particular build, but it is not a good place to test effectiveness.

    I'd also think it'd be almost impossible to get low-lvl max dmg jewels.




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    Quote Originally Posted by PhatTrumpet
    On the other hand, low- and mid-lvl SC is all about offense. It might be a good place to practice using a particular build, but it is not a good place to test effectiveness.

    I'd also think it'd be almost impossible to get low-lvl max dmg jewels.

    jewels are ez to get ..just go to cow games and people sell them to venders If u try and trade 4 them though dont even bother ....in the lld circle in sc lld stuff is so exspensive its stupid




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    Quote Originally Posted by PhatTrumpet
    On the other hand, low- and mid-lvl SC is all about offense. It might be a good place to practice using a particular build, but it is not a good place to test effectiveness.

    I'd also think it'd be almost impossible to get low-lvl max dmg jewels.
    Not necessaily. (sp?) Softcore people do keep max jewels, however, they are very overpriced and you'd probably be better off finding em yourself unless you want to pay pul for a 15 max. As for all about offense: I'm sure the pubs do, but I personally prefer a balanced approach, something I learned from hc.
    *eyes light up at the word east* Is this ladder or non?




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    Quote Originally Posted by terrymanning
    Thats about all I do now is low and mid duleing on softcore. Softcore dueling is actually fun because you do get duels and no one chickens and no one hacks. There's just no reason to. And the majority of people are really nice. There are always a few bad apples, but most of the people are OK.
    I know that there really is no reason for people to use chicken in SC dueling, but is it not used to the extent which your post makes me dream about? I mean could you really say decide on no pots and get a duelers ear with a kicker? My last sin built for lvl 12 that ended up at lvl 14 after hunting and such dueled any char under 30, with the exceptions of no pallys 27 or over. She lived forever and although she won 95% of her duels most all of her ears were from pking. It was just impossible to kill anyone in the duel scene (save 2 or 3 successful kills) because almost all used chicken. I guess I need to shut up or ill end up ranting about this just as much as Matt did, but it truly couldn’t be beaten in to much... the scene is pitiful these days. Oh yeah, the only legit dueler I met besides people I already knew was someone that I did know but hadn’t seen in ages, Khelendros! =) I’m sure some of you old timers remember him.

    I'm interested to see what the SC lld scene is all about, although I haven’t set foot in a SC game in probably a good 4 years at least.

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    edit: Is the SC USEast economy as horrid as I can imagine it being due to lack of any type of sinks?




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