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  1. #1331
    IncGamers Member Crazy Runner Guy's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjscud
    I doubt that much time would be gained for most baal runners.
    I do to, as most serious baal runners kill minions so fast that sometimes it appears like they never existed in the first place (think hammerdins fighting wave 2, even @/p8).

    crg




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    I'm thinking about adding my blizz sorc here, there are a few things I'd like to know first though.

    What do you (Cold-, Cold/Fire sorcs) do when lister is cold/fire immune? Park him or let merc take care of him?

    If you let your merc handle him, what gear does your merc wear?

    I'm getting a CI/FI Lister about 1/3 of the time. He takes forever for my merc to kill.
    I don't like parking him since that usually involves killing the monsters that are just outside the throne room (runs take longer) so I tried a few different approaches.

    1. Give my merc some different gear, namely Guillaumes/Andy's - Eth reaper's - eth gladiator's bane/duress/eth stone. The key item beeing the eth reaper for much higher damage than the standard issue up'd kelpie

    2. Have the reaper's in my cube and switch it with the up'd kelpie.

    3. A different 'slow' setup; Blackhorn's - reaper's - duress/gladiator's/stone etc.

    Neither worked satisfactorily.

    To sum it up:

    No combo of items, excluding kelpie, has enough slow to immobilize baal, ergo kelpie is needed against baal.
    Kelpie does not do enough damage to handle CI/FI lister fast enough.

    I need help!!




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    My merc is a HF merc using eth Reaper's socketed with a Shael, eth Duress sacred armour and Andy's Face socketed with an IAS/fire resist jewel.

    My sorc stuns and knocks-back Lister using TK, while my merc Jabs him to death. It doesn't take very long at all, even at /p8. Even with a regular Reaper's (which I was using before I found the eth), it still didn't take that much longer.

    As for Baal, I personally don't use Kelpie on him. I sic my merc at him while I stand back and spam Blizzards and IceBlasts/FBalls. Decrepify triggers often enough to keep Baal on the spot most of the time.

    Even if the merc dies, which happens if I get careless, and Baal starts going for walkies, it's still to your advantage, as a moving target generally gets struck by more Blizzard shards.

    Just make sure you stand out of his Hoarfrost range, name-lock him, and spam your Blizzard + fast cast spell at him.




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    Quote Originally Posted by nazgarok
    If I remember correctly, it takes 165 pindle runs on p8 to level from 89 to 90.
    I think it might be a good idea to start baaling on lvl 92, because pindle starts to give little xp. from lvl 92.
    As jjscud has said the real levelling starts around 96 - 97, you have to remember that at clvl 98 you are not yet half way in terms of the total time it'll take to get to 99.

    It's always better to kill the minions at /p8, at 98 they add almost half of your already pitiful exp gain per run.

    As for why Baal's exp peaks, I don't know either, it was just something I found by accident one day, and from the response of the other runners at the time it wasn't widely known (may be wrong about that though):rolleyes:

    On a CI Lister - if you are pure cold, and seriously trying to get to 99, then parking him is the only option. Remember that you have to do 6 - 7 thousand runs, levelling at 97 and 98 is about speed and getting your average run time down to respectable levels.

    This comes from experience, you may try to kill a CI, /p8 lister in the beginnig, but once you get a thousand runs into some serious Baal running, I'll gaurantee you'll park him.:wink3:




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    @nubikoen --> Give your merc a eBotDz :grin:

    On Topic --> I think the first char I will put up here on the Quest for 99 is my Blizzy (when I make her)... I need a name for her though... I already have a name for my Light Sorc: Ambrosia :laugh:

    Maybe Saphira... LmFaO How about Coldeelocks

    *looks down*
    OmG --> Someone is a Bronze Pal and has a sig :grin:




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    Quote Originally Posted by nazgarok
    If I remember correctly, it takes 165 pindle runs on p8 to level from 89 to 90.
    I think it might be a good idea to start baaling on lvl 92, because pindle starts to give little xp. from lvl 92.
    Let me reframe the question. I'm killing all the minions in the throne, but skipping baal because the time investment isn't worth the XP gain. Thus, at what point do I kill baal after killing lister?

    (but looking at it from Grog's analysis, does it really matter? I'm only a few runs into a monumental project)

    crg




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    Let me reframe the question. I'm killing all the minions in the throne, but skipping baal because the time investment isn't worth the XP gain. Thus, at what point do I kill baal after killing lister?
    Sorry, I got that wrong. In my opinion I would kill baal everytime because of the drops. Other than that probably 94 is ideal, because minions start giving less experience from 94.




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    Code:
    Rank  Exp(billion)      Lvl     Class           Name              Player
    1     3.520             99      Sorceress       Fortuna           tweety
    2     3.520             99      Sorceress       Ayla              Grogs 
    3     3.520             99      Sorceress       Kara              DarkChaos
    4     3.275             98      Amazon          ShieldMaiden      jjscud 
    5     3.229             98      Paladin         Julius            Grogs
    6     3.101             97      Paladin         Swiss_Cheese      Masas 
    7     3.000             97      Barbdruid       Unnatural         DX
    8     2.980             97      Paladin         Brand_Dale        King's Spectre
    9     2.968             97      Paladin         Godly_Ploppy      DX
    10    2.962             97      Sorceress       Savant            Corrupted
    11    2.927             96      Necromancer     Zhar(RWM+FE mod)  LprMan
    12    2.901             96      Amazon          Viraya            Hrus
    13    2.840             96      Paladin         Charged           Shermo
    14    2.837             96      Necromancer     Shrek             Vajurewi
    15    2.806             96      Necromancer     usamahuuu         usamahanas 
    16    2.794             96      Paladin         Abresax           Wicket
    17    2.784             96      Sorceress       Snowy_Ploppy(RIP) DX-Crawler
    18    2.761             96      Paladin         Lightblade        Crazy Runner Guy
    19    2.758             96      Paladin         Mjolnir           Corrupted
    20    2.722             96      Paladin         Gabriel           Gabriel74
    22    2,666             95      Sorceress       BlizzMeSilly      nubikoen
    22    2.550             95      Necromancer     Gromph            Shleefin
    23    2.508             95      Sorceress       Icewind           sawm
    24    2.502             95      Sorceress       Obfuscated_C      SkaMan
    25    2.500             95      Sorceress       My-Morwel         slarti
    26    2.496             95      Sorceress       Alara             Deadbob
    27    2.494             95      Sorceress       Jaaneito          Toppo
    28    2.493             95      Amazon          Katzenjammer      factory
    29    2.492             95      Sorceress       Rose(RIP)         Corrupted
    30    2.412             94      Druid           Debbbole          Debbbole
    31    2.385             94      Sorceress       Brachah           Nacaa
    32    2.359             94      Sorceress       Point             Shermo
    33    2.301             94      Paladin         Jermaine          Lemming
    34    2.287             94      Sorceress       Chelle            Shade
    35    2.287             94      Sorceress       Meteorb           jrlafrance
    36    2.287             94      Paladin         Hagrid            Mikle
    37    2.234             93      Necromancer     Sharn-Mes         Sharn-Mes
    38    2.150             93      Assassin        Sneaky-Barren     barren
    39    2.107             93      Sorceress       ColdAsIce         SuperSavage
    40    2.105             93      Paladin         Tarr              Tarr
    41    2.100             93      Paladin         Thanatos          FodderCannoned
    42    2.097             93      Amazon          BigBoobsBigBow    Silospen
    43    2.097             93      Sorceress       Shiva             Psywire
    44    2.084             93      Amazon          Catte-brie        Sunbearie
    45    2.084             93      Barbarian       Nasca             Sledge
    46    2.074             92      Sorceress       HC-WomenAreWeak   PuffeN
    47    2.049             92      Sorceress       IceQueen          RoidRage
    48    2.022             92      Sorceress       Quezacotl         NightBurst
    49    2.000             92      Assassin        MahTahHahRee      WiseGuy
    50    1.986             92      Necromancer     Tracul            Tracul(RWM)
    51    1.932             92      Sorceress       MistressGale      Jackalope
    52    1.931             92      Barbarian       Immortal_King     INC
    53    1.927             92      Sorceress       Meteorb           Sir Lister of Smeg
    54    1.925             92      Barbarian       Phobos            xDoomasx
    55    1.925             92      Amazon          Angel             Lord_Vega
    56    1.924             92      Sorceress       Frosty_Ploppy     DX    
    57    1.801             91      Necromancer     UnHoly_XR         XrceR
    58    1.767             91      Amazon          Maveen            VinKelRix
    59    1.756             90      Sorceress       pingu             4fun
    60    1.738             90      Sorceress       Serena            Tarr
    61    1.736             90      Paladin         Dizzy_Hitter      Frosty
    62    1.640             90      Barbarian       IKE               jrlafrance
    63    1.620             90      Assassin        Halle             Nazdakka
    64    1.619             90      Paladin         Cervantes         Lord_Vega
    65    0.000             01      Sorceress       ArchAngel         Samsung
    I added my blizzard sorc, not far from turning 96.




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    1     3.520             99      Sorceress       Fortuna           tweety
    2     3.520             99      Sorceress       Ayla              Grogs 
    3     3.520             99      Sorceress       Kara              DarkChaos
    4     3.275             98      Amazon          ShieldMaiden      jjscud 
    5     3.229             98      Paladin         Julius            Grogs
    6     3.101             97      Paladin         Swiss_Cheese      Masas 
    7     3.000             97      Barbdruid       Unnatural         DX
    8     2.980             97      Paladin         Brand_Dale        King's Spectre
    9     2.968             97      Paladin         Godly_Ploppy      DX
    10    2.962             97      Sorceress       Savant            Corrupted
    11    2.927             96      Necromancer     Zhar(RWM+FE mod)  LprMan
    12    2.901             96      Amazon          Viraya            Hrus
    13    2.840             96      Paladin         Charged           Shermo
    14    2.837             96      Necromancer     Shrek             Vajurewi
    15    2.806             96      Necromancer     usamahuuu         usamahanas 
    16    2.794             96      Paladin         Abresax           Wicket
    17    2.784             96      Sorceress       Snowy_Ploppy(RIP) DX-Crawler
    18    2.761             96      Paladin         Lightblade        Crazy Runner Guy
    19    2.758             96      Paladin         Mjolnir           Corrupted
    20    2.722             96      Paladin         Gabriel           Gabriel74
    22    2,666             95      Sorceress       BlizzMeSilly      nubikoen
    22    2.550             95      Necromancer     Gromph            Shleefin
    23    2.508             95      Sorceress       Icewind           sawm
    24    2.502             95      Sorceress       Obfuscated_C      SkaMan
    25    2.500             95      Sorceress       My-Morwel         slarti
    26    2.496             95      Sorceress       Alara             Deadbob
    27    2.494             95      Sorceress       Jaaneito          Toppo
    28    2.493             95      Amazon          Katzenjammer      factory
    29    2.492             95      Sorceress       Rose(RIP)         Corrupted
    30    2.412             94      Druid           Debbbole          Debbbole
    31    2.385             94      Sorceress       Brachah           Nacaa
    32    2.359             94      Sorceress       Point             Shermo
    33    2.301             94      Paladin         Jermaine          Lemming
    34    2.287             94      Sorceress       Chelle            Shade
    35    2.287             94      Sorceress       Meteorb           jrlafrance
    36    2.287             94      Paladin         Hagrid            Mikle
    37    2.234             93      Necromancer     Sharn-Mes         Sharn-Mes
    38    2.150             93      Assassin        Sneaky-Barren     barren
    39    2.107             93      Sorceress       ColdAsIce         SuperSavage
    40    2.105             93      Paladin         Tarr              Tarr
    41    2.100             93      Paladin         Thanatos          FodderCannoned
    42    2.097             93      Amazon          BigBoobsBigBow    Silospen
    43    2.097             93      Sorceress       Shiva              Psywire
    44    2.084             93      Amazon          Catte-brie        Sunbearie
    45    2.084             93      Barbarian       Nasca             Sledge
    46    2.074             92      Sorceress       HC-WomenAreWeak   PuffeN
    47    2.049             92      Sorceress       IceQueen          RoidRage
    48    2.022             92      Sorceress       Quezacotl         NightBurst
    49    2.000             92      Assassin        MahTahHahRee      WiseGuy
    50    1.986             92      Necromancer     Tracul            Tracul(RWM)
    51    1.932             92      Sorceress       MistressGale      Jackalope
    52    1.931             92      Barbarian       Immortal_King     INC
    53    1.927             92      Sorceress       Meteorb           Sir Lister of Smeg
    54    1.925             92      Barbarian       Phobos            xDoomasx
    55    1.925             92      Amazon          Angel             Lord_Vega
    56    1.924             92      Sorceress       Frosty_Ploppy     DX    
    57    1.801             91      Necromancer     UnHoly_XR         XrceR
    58    1.767             91      Amazon          Maveen            VinKelRix
    59    1.756             90      Sorceress       pingu             4fun
    60    1.738             90      Sorceress       Serena            Tarr
    61    1.736             90      Paladin         Dizzy_Hitter      Frosty
    62    1.640             90      Barbarian       IKE               jrlafrance
    63    1.620             90      Assassin        Halle             Nazdakka
    64    1.619             90      Paladin         Cervantes         Lord_Vega
    65    0.001             35      Sorceress       Jennifer          chrischar
    66    0.000             01      Sorceress       ArchAngel         Samsung
    I added my new blizzballer,I'm planning to do many baal runs with her,so maybe I'll reach her high.




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    1     3.520             99      Sorceress       Fortuna           tweety
    2     3.520             99      Sorceress       Ayla              Grogs 
    3     3.520             99      Sorceress       Kara              DarkChaos
    4     3.275             98      Amazon          ShieldMaiden      jjscud 
    5     3.245             98      Paladin         Julius            Grogs
    6     3.101             97      Paladin         Swiss_Cheese      Masas 
    7     3.000             97      Barbdruid       Unnatural         DX
    8     2.980             97      Paladin         Brand_Dale        King's Spectre
    9     2.968             97      Paladin         Godly_Ploppy      DX
    10    2.962             97      Sorceress       Savant            Corrupted
    11    2.927             96      Necromancer     Zhar(RWM+FE mod)  LprMan
    12    2.901             96      Amazon          Viraya            Hrus
    13    2.840             96      Paladin         Charged           Shermo
    14    2.837             96      Necromancer     Shrek             Vajurewi
    15    2.806             96      Necromancer     usamahuuu         usamahanas 
    16    2.794             96      Paladin         Abresax           Wicket
    17    2.784             96      Sorceress       Snowy_Ploppy(RIP) DX-Crawler
    18    2.761             96      Paladin         Lightblade        Crazy Runner Guy
    19    2.758             96      Paladin         Mjolnir           Corrupted
    20    2.722             96      Paladin         Gabriel           Gabriel74
    22    2,666             95      Sorceress       BlizzMeSilly      nubikoen
    22    2.550             95      Necromancer     Gromph            Shleefin
    23    2.508             95      Sorceress       Icewind           sawm
    24    2.502             95      Sorceress       Obfuscated_C      SkaMan
    25    2.500             95      Sorceress       My-Morwel         slarti
    26    2.496             95      Sorceress       Alara             Deadbob
    27    2.494             95      Sorceress       Jaaneito          Toppo
    28    2.493             95      Amazon          Katzenjammer      factory
    29    2.492             95      Sorceress       Rose(RIP)         Corrupted
    30    2.412             94      Druid           Debbbole          Debbbole
    31    2.385             94      Sorceress       Brachah           Nacaa
    32    2.359             94      Sorceress       Point             Shermo
    33    2.301             94      Paladin         Jermaine          Lemming
    34    2.287             94      Sorceress       Chelle            Shade
    35    2.287             94      Sorceress       Meteorb           jrlafrance
    36    2.287             94      Paladin         Hagrid            Mikle
    37    2.234             93      Necromancer     Sharn-Mes         Sharn-Mes
    38    2.150             93      Assassin        Sneaky-Barren     barren
    39    2.107             93      Sorceress       ColdAsIce         SuperSavage
    40    2.105             93      Paladin         Tarr              Tarr
    41    2.100             93      Paladin         Thanatos          FodderCannoned
    42    2.097             93      Amazon          BigBoobsBigBow    Silospen
    43    2.097             93      Sorceress       Shiva              Psywire
    44    2.084             93      Amazon          Catte-brie        Sunbearie
    45    2.084             93      Barbarian       Nasca             Sledge
    46    2.074             92      Sorceress       HC-WomenAreWeak   PuffeN
    47    2.049             92      Sorceress       IceQueen          RoidRage
    48    2.022             92      Sorceress       Quezacotl         NightBurst
    49    2.000             92      Assassin        MahTahHahRee      WiseGuy
    50    1.986             92      Necromancer     Tracul            Tracul(RWM)
    51    1.932             92      Sorceress       MistressGale      Jackalope
    52    1.931             92      Barbarian       Immortal_King     INC
    53    1.927             92      Sorceress       Meteorb           Sir Lister of Smeg
    54    1.925             92      Barbarian       Phobos            xDoomasx
    55    1.925             92      Amazon          Angel             Lord_Vega
    56    1.924             92      Sorceress       Frosty_Ploppy     DX    
    57    1.801             91      Necromancer     UnHoly_XR         XrceR
    58    1.767             91      Amazon          Maveen            VinKelRix
    59    1.756             90      Sorceress       pingu             4fun
    60    1.738             90      Sorceress       Serena            Tarr
    61    1.736             90      Paladin         Dizzy_Hitter      Frosty
    62    1.640             90      Barbarian       IKE               jrlafrance
    63    1.620             90      Assassin        Halle             Nazdakka
    64    1.619             90      Paladin         Cervantes         Lord_Vega
    65    0.001             35      Sorceress       Jennifer          chrischar
    66    0.000             01      Sorceress       ArchAngel         Samsung
    God it's slow at 98:wink3:




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