OT: Days of our Lives aka the Beacon's Billboard

**Reborn2k** · 18-02-2006, 18:20

Originally Posted by Arreat_mercenary

Reborn: I'm afraid there's nothing else that you can do, except for accept the fact that she's already with someone else and move on. In this way you won't further hurt more yourself. Life is like that, especially to shy people, I have lived time and again. learn from your mistakes and move on, show to everyone you can be strong, drinks on me (or Aman's) in the EMB

It would be way easier to get over it, if I hadn't been such a stupid idiot in the last time. If I had tried to win her for me, but she would've said no, it would be "ok". But I didn't really do anything serious, I couldn't. This damn blockade in my head... This is what is bugging me so much... But like I said it's my own fault and I will have to live with it. I just feel so damn miserable... You'd say "Go out! Have fun!", but I can't... I can't just behave like nothing had happened... it's all so fresh...

**Reborn2k** · 18-02-2006, 21:46

Double post, but it's too late to edit.........

What I am currently wondering... do you remember the times when those two rumors of her laughing about me or being pissed off by me came up? I could easily forget her then for a week or two and even felt released. Why the hell can't I do now?:undecided:

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Other story: Who of you does believe in God? I ask this because of a certain reason... All my life I had to go to church every Sunday. My family is strongly catholic and tried to raise me as this, too. I just didn't dare to say that I didn't want to go there and I even remember my dad beating me when I refused to go. Therefore I just obeyed and went there all the time. But I never really wanted to... when I was a child I didn't even listen to what the priest was saying and just waited for the crap to end. As I grew up I still didn't want to go there, but I started to listen to the preaches. I never really believed in God. Inbetween I tried to believe in it, but I don't know out of what reason. Maybe just because I had no other choice and I always had to go to church, I searched for a sense to go there and just accepted it... But I mainly refered to God when I was in trouble... But did he help me out? Actually no most of the times. It may sound dumb to deny God's existence because of this, but I don't say that there is no God. I just don't know what to believe... because no-one can prove anything. Neither that there is a God, nor that there isn't any. I am no atheist, but I don't really believe in God's existence or non-existence.

The current situation is that I haven't been in church for a few times. It just pisses me off. All my life I just went there because my family wanted me to do so, but I don't see the point of going there anymore. When I'm there I just wait for it to end. Like I said I never really believed in God and I will get 18 in 1,5 months. So I should be old enough to decide... Luckily my mother said this too a few minutes ago when I told her that I don't want to go there anymore. But she sounded angry and desperate like "Oh no... I failed educating him in the right way...". When my grandmother and grand aunt hear from this they are always shocked. But it's so ridiculous... "Daniel, you don't want to go to church anymore???" - "Err, no..." - "Why???" - "I don't know what I am supposed to do there..." - "What??? Oh come on... 'I don't know what I am supposed to do there... Oh my.... this can't be true!!" - "Hm?" - "You'll have to live with it. It seems like you all aren't dependent on God anymore... That's not right. That's just not right! Blaabalbala"... Often it's even more ridiculous: "Make your own religion. But you will never get into heaven...", "What??? You haven't been in church today?? I wouldn't treat that so lightly..."... etc. They just don't have real arguments. Those old people will never understand my decision, but I hope that the rest of my family will accept my choice in some time.

**corax** · 19-02-2006, 00:15

tell them all to STFU its your choice not theirs.

yup you may not get into 'their' concept of heaven. but if you have your own religion you can have your own heaven.

**DeathMaster** · 19-02-2006, 00:40

corax, you know it is wrong to say things like that. Religion doesn't work that way.

Myself is none religion person. Mainly because I must see the logic behind or else.

Reborn, as you said, there is no proof of neither God existing or not. To me, I must be able to see the glory of God before I believe it. The way church teaching that you must believe in God before you could see the proof, just doesn't convince me.

However, I'd like to believe there is God, just didn't find my faith yet.

Make your own decision, even God (let's say God exists) does not force people to believe in him, there is no reason anyone (any human) should force someone else to believe in God.

**Reborn2k** · 19-02-2006, 00:56

The question is also, if you can't believe in a God without going to church...

**DeathMaster** · 19-02-2006, 01:10

Originally Posted by Reborn2k

The question is also, if you can't believe in a God without going to church...

I don't think Church will agree with it. If you must go to church in order to believe in God, there are a lot of people who believe in God will take it as insult. Just think what about people who are sick or cannot go (no church around), does it mean they cannot believe in God?

I did read the bible, I remember bible encourage pray without let anyone know (God will know).

**Spludge** · 19-02-2006, 06:36

Ahh, but the bible also encourages us to meet in the fellowship of other believers!

Reb (and DM for that matter), whilst you have no faith, it is overwealmingly likely you won't see miracles happen in and around you. Heck, God's chosen people cried out to him in to not send them into exile, but He did, to correct (and punish) them for their idolatry. Crying out to God in times of trouble don't work if you don't celebrate and thank Him for times of good.

The proof I offer you of God's existence is hard to relate over the net, but it is me. I know God exists because he changed me, transformed me into something better than I've ever been, and ever could be by myself. I ave a relationship with Him.

That's the way faith works, folks. Relationship. God and you hanging out, and doing life together.

Reb, it's perfect;y normal not to like church, especially catholic masses (apologies to all the catholics out there who enjoy their Sunday mass, I hope you have/had a good one!). Instead of giving up on church altogehter, go out and try some other churches and denominations around there. You live near the birthplace of protestantism: try the Baptists, or the Anglicans. I reccomend the Salvos, but that's because I am one. And I'm sure there is a pentacostal church you'd have easy access to.

Have a look around. See what other christians are like, and see if you can find God that way. You're never gonna develope a faith based on rules: it's based on a relationship. Loving God 'cause He loved, and died, for us.

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(Oh, and DM, that passage is talking about humility. It's talking about doing things not for public glory, but out of earnest. If you look at the Lords prayer (immediately after) it is a corperate prayer: forgive US our trespasses..... lead US not into temptation.)

**DeathMaster** · 19-02-2006, 07:48

Well, maybe later (when I get another bible). I'm the kind of person have strong logic in mind. All I want to see is evidence. I'm not lawyer (the fact I dont' like laywers at all), but I'm more in either direct or indirect evidence.

I think we went too far in this OT thread, here we still have rule not talk about religion/policitcs.

In short, it takes more than some speech/talk to convice me. It's not like someone didn't try (some "big" prist from States went to Australia around 10 years ago, I went to his "class" because of my sisters' friend invited us. I still think he hates me after that night).

You could PM me if you wish to talk this matter. But be warned, wrong topic could turn on my

switch. Some history reading is helpful.