zeal vs whirlwind

[Pelion]

ive been duelling a bit with my frost zealot and ive discovered barbs are a problem. concentrate i can handle but when they whirlwind i struggle.
ive figured out that if i charge them (i have 1 point) at the end of the ww and then run away before they recover i can slowly beat them down without getting hurt. the only problem is i do ok for a few goes, get them down to half health then mess up and charge headfirst into a WW getting myself critical striked and killed in 1 hit.

my question is do you guys have any tips on how to time my charges better? or do you have any other tactics to use against these oafish brutes?

[drahemwercs]

Holy freeze is a god send for ww barbs, it slows them, but this just means they get more whirls per ww, i.e. they are getting more chance to hit u in their ww, so if they have holy freeze on them, u dont have much chance. also ww will desynch u a bit, so its not easy. Make sure when duelling barbs u get 50% pdr and 75% block, and also make sure u walk, otherwise you loose ur 75% ctb and ur def drops to 0, making it very easy for them to hit u. also vs barbs a high def helps a lot. Would help if u cud give ur gear/skills etc so can suggest some solutions.

[Pelion]

Im not really looking to change the build. i was asking more for tactics on playing style with what i already use. having said that , sugestions are always welcome. just bear in mind before sugesting gear that im not rich. no EBOTDs etc...

Level 84 pally-skills-including + skills
Zeal (26)
Sacrifice(26) - synergy
Holy Shield(10)
Charge(7)
Holy Freeze(24)
Defiance(11) - synergy
Resist Cold(20) - synergy
Resist Lightning(5) - oops
Salvation(5)

duelling gear-so far- this isnt final. most of it is my dclone hunting gear
Guillaumes Face with 15 ias jewel
Angelic Ammy and Ring
Ravenfrost
18 EDamage 1087 Defense Duress dusk shroud
Shael lightsabre phase blade
ptopaz HoZ
Bladebuckle Plated belt
Laying of Hands gloves
Goblin Toe Battle Boots

a few resist charms, anni.

with this i get
1715-2402 zeal damage with 60odd% slow
4000AR
8000 Def (with holy shield) edit: max block
1.2k life
high resist except poison which is only 36


i am looking to get alot of more gear so i have a pvm set and a pvp set but skill wise i dont really want to rebuild. i think the skills are ok. i only wasted one in light resist.

[wvx_leader_returns]

With that gear your best chance is to work on your timing. In my zealot days I would always zeal them the second a whirwind was done. Most barbs do short-ww's on a zealot to keep themselves constantly moving. If you are timely enough, you can get a few hits before a next ww starts. And if you hit hard enough it may keep them from ww'ing.

[xpumafangx]

Pelion try this old trick out.

Get the barb to chase you. Stop when you get to a corner and go right in to it. The barb will beable to hit you once, not with 1 good ww but just one swing. It forces them to actly use concentrate or berserk. As long as you stay in that corner and they are close enuff for you to attack them you will all ways win.

[Weltkriegpally]

a good barb can still whirl in a corner. The tactic will work against most newer barbs, though.

--welt

[The_Futon_God]

a good barb can still whirl in a corner. The tactic will work against most newer barbs, though.

--welt

I palapk duel a lot and the best method for owning whirlwind barbs smite or zeal , (i smite most of the time because whirlwind is Bad Manor in palapk games) Is to stand in one spot and hold shift and left click you'll swing and when he's trying to ww you , you'll almost never get hit and you'll slowly take down his life, if he tries to get you to chase him , you will get hit more often, so make him do the chasing. Works like a charm unless the barb you are dueling is using enchant because then they have mass ar and still hit your high defense.

[Pelion]

when i shift-zeal i dont seem to attack at my normal frame rate. it seems to be at the same speed as my normal attack. i dont know if the damage/ ar bonuses still get calculated or if it is actually a normal attack or a display bug or what but is this normal?

thanks for the hints so far. i might try smiting. i only have a low level smite but if i can stun them long enough to start zealing...

[ROMVS]

when i shift-zeal i dont seem to attack at my normal frame rate. it seems to be at the same speed as my normal attack. i dont know if the damage/ ar bonuses still get calculated or if it is actually a normal attack or a display bug or what but is this normal?

thanks for the hints so far. i might try smiting. i only have a low level smite but if i can stun them long enough to start zealing...

Sorry to dissappoint you but stun doesn't work in PVP but only PVM. The stun animation with the stars still works though but can definitely still move.

[xpumafangx]

a good barb can still whirl in a corner. The tactic will work against most newer barbs, though.

Yes a good barb can wirl in to a corner. Also a good barb can trash your high defense. So bolth ideals are really out. Even my second trick can be broken that is to use a ranged attack and out run them. They can have a faster teleport or faster run walk then me. So that trick is out as well. The truth of the matter is simple no matter what you do there is all ways a way around it no matter what any one thinks. The only thing you can do is keep coming up with new tricks. Till you find one that they do not know how to counter at that time.