Maximum item cost?!

[Abidextria]

From the new blizz agreement in euro-land

TLDR - Read the Bold

6.2 To load value onto the Account, go to https://eu.battle.net/account/management/ebalance-purchase.html and follow the instructions provided to you on the page. Transactions initiated to load funds onto the Account are governed by the Terms of Sale, which can be viewed at https://eu.battle.net/account/management/transaction-history.html. The minimum amount that can be loaded to an Account is 1 £, and the maximum value of the Account is limited to 172 £. Blizzard reserves the right to change the maximum and minimum amounts at any time by notifying you in accordance with Section 8 of this Agreement. You may load different currencies onto the Account (Euros, British Pounds and/or Rubles), in order to purchase goods and/or services offered on Battle.Net in that respective currency. Blizzard will not send you a statement of itemized transactions on the Account. In order to check the balance loaded on the Account, or review recent transactions on the Account, go to https://eu.battle.net/account/management/transaction-history.html

£ = British Pound Sterling
172£ = 271 USD

Now all i have to do is find a item that sells for 271$ and ill be set lol.

[Pheal]

Now all i have to do is find a item that sells for 271$ and ill be set lol.


This gives a hard cap on the max selling price (which I think is good, 271$ ain't nothing). IMO the only thing that will get near that is if they introduce character selling with gear (was there when they made presentations). I still wonder how they're going to handle it when you reach your maximum but you still have items that should go to your battlenet balance? As of now, you select it BEFORE you create the auctions, which can create issues (not enabled tho). Having a rather low maximum for the account will probably help them screen people trying to exploit the system by having at least 2 parties that can take a look at transactions. If paypal finds something fishy they can phone blizz, and if blizz finds something fishy they can phone paypal (always possible to freeze paypal assets, seen it too many times). I wouldn't be surprised if transactions from D3 to paypal get frozen for a while until they can verify it's legit (not duped, stolen, etc etc...).

[Abidextria]

Has it been confirmed that Battle.net Balance is the only way to buy goods from the RMAH?

I forget.

[Zokar]

Interesting!


The minimum amount that can be loaded to an Account is $1.00, and the maximum daily Account balance is limited to $200.00.

Is the U.S. version of the statement...

[galzohar]

They could simply forbid you from listing auctions that, if they all sell, end up giving you more than the maximum.

[Abidextria]

They could simply forbid you from listing auctions that, if they all sell, end up giving you more than the maximum.

ill just make everything go to paypall and have 1 out of every 10 or so transactions go to BB account, to be honest im gunna keep my BB account capped at all times probably as i will be scouting the RMAH for cheep effective items. I will probably be spending as much as a i make till i get to a point where i can start legit farming, i want a GF/MF set or maybe a set of each.

off topic..

I think monk will be the best MF/GF character because of this Debilitating build and the fact that Exploding palm does all the killing for you(one dies then you get a chain reaction of death....next pack of mobs plz...)

http://us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/monk#UeWQZR!aZU!YcZcba

[AKUder]

If you can buy items directly with paypal balance, not needing to go through battle.net balance, then the cap won't be $200. I don't think anything has been explained in that much detail though.

[Abidextria]

If you can buy items directly with paypal balance, not needing to go through battle.net balance, then the cap won't be $200. I don't think anything has been explained in that much detail though.

i can only hope

[Grayson Carlyle]

If $200 remains the limit at release, then anything you'd want to sell for more you'd have to sell for gold, then sell the gold in $200 chunks. Which also means that there's a range for which there's no valid way to sell an item at its appropriate value because of the % fee taken on gold.

Sell at $210 for its value in gold (let's say 2,100,000), lose 15% and get 1,785,000, sell that at 10,000/$ and you only get $178.50 for it instead of the $200 you'd get selling directly by listing it at $200.80. Between $200 + item_list_fee + item_sale_fee and $200/(1-gold_fee) or $235.29 @ 15% you just straight up lose money. Above $235.29 you lose 15% instead of $.80 :/

[Abidextria]

if there's a will there's a way!

But the chance of a item going for 200$ is low, not saying i wont waste 15c trying to do it lol

[Zokar]

If $200 remains the limit at release, then anything you'd want to sell for more you'd have to sell for gold, then sell the gold in $200 chunks. Which also means that there's a range for which there's no valid way to sell an item at its appropriate value because of the % fee taken on gold.

Sell at $210 for its value in gold (let's say 2,100,000), lose 15% and get 1,785,000, sell that at 10,000/$ and you only get $178.50 for it instead of the $200 you'd get selling directly by listing it at $200.80. Between $200 + item_list_fee + item_sale_fee and $200/(1-gold_fee) or $235.29 @ 15% you just straight up lose money. Above $235.29 you lose 15% instead of $.80 :/

This is unclear to me... the $200 is bnet amount, but didn't seem like there was a paypal payout limit, so if you have something that can sell for $300 you could do it, but it would have to be sent out directly to pay-pal and not to the bnet account.

[galzohar]

I think Blizzard is way overestimating the amount of $ most people will be willing to spend on the RMAH. Their fees are just silly as they completely kill cheap item trading for real money, and thus also eliminate much possible income for them (assuming that they don't truly pay upkeep costs based on number of transactions). A % fee that is capped at current values would make much more sense then simply having fixed fees of ~1$ for both 2$ and 200$ items make no sense. Sure a 1$ fee for a 200$ item makes sense, but the 2$ item should have more like a 0.2$ fee, or the 2$ item will never be seen on the RMAH. And I expect most items to not be worth more than 2$...

[Azzure]

The Battle.net FAQ explains that each region / country has its own legalities and a lot of that ties in to limits on transfers / withdrawing. A lot of money laundering legislation exists everywhere, and it is taken VERY seriously.

I'm going to read up on the US ToS to see if the limit is different there.

[Markco]

For those asking about BB vs PP:

You should keep a mix of both accounts. For one, Battlenet Bucks won't need to be cashed out, so you can use it to avoid another fee while purchasing items to salvage, for instance. When you want to cash out your BB's, buy stuff you know you can flip for profit and then sell for Paypal the second time around.

[Bowzer]

I think Blizzard is way overestimating the amount of $ most people will be willing to spend on the RMAH. Their fees are just silly as they completely kill cheap item trading for real money, and thus also eliminate much possible income for them (assuming that they don't truly pay upkeep costs based on number of transactions). A % fee that is capped at current values would make much more sense then simply having fixed fees of ~1$ for both 2$ and 200$ items make no sense. Sure a 1$ fee for a 200$ item makes sense, but the 2$ item should have more like a 0.2$ fee, or the 2$ item will never be seen on the RMAH. And I expect most items to not be worth more than 2$...
I think you are flat out wrong on the high end of top tier item values for Diablo 3.

Everquest had an item go for 5000 dollars back in the 90's, so there are people that want to have the best items and are willing to pay top dollar for them. It will all depend on scarcity at this point, but I fully expect ultra high end items to go for astronomical prices in d3 due to the random nature of the affix system.

[tuberCHIMPY]

Is there a definative answer to the question "can items be bought using paypal directly?" yet?

[Abidextria]

Is there a definative answer to the question "can items be bought using paypal directly?" yet?

this^^^^^^^^

[Baalat]

I think that does not set a cap for item values
You still can sell it for gold in the AH (no cap) and sell the gold by batches in the RMAH
Or trade it in the black market, as in any other game

[galzohar]

I think you are flat out wrong on the high end of top tier item values for Diablo 3.
Except I wasn't talking about the high end top tier item values. I was talking about what the grand majority of the players would be willing to pay. Obviously the most high-end stuff can get to very high prices, but most items simply won't, and people will still want to trade them because they're not willing to spend the high cost of the "best of the best" items.

[Bowzer]

Except I wasn't talking about the high end top tier item values. I was talking about what the grand majority of the players would be willing to pay. Obviously the most high-end stuff can get to very high prices, but most items simply won't, and people will still want to trade them because they're not willing to spend the high cost of the "best of the best" items.
I see your point.

I'm not going to argue one way or the other, as we will have to wait and see. One thing I would add though is that this is an ARPG and not an MMO where the social aspects are part of the vanity in regards to itemization. This might be a limiting factor in peoples decisions.