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I have a video on my youtube channel for farming Subtle Essences in the Cemetery of the Forsaken.
I put a decent amount of thought into tips for the farming of rare mobs in the Crypts and around the grounds of the Cemetery.
Let me know what you think of my method!
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May I ask why you farm it in a full game rather than solo? The monsters you are farming have way more HP in a full game and drop the same loot.
One other note also, I highly doubt Essences will sell anywhere near 75c a piece. (I don't think they would sell for even 5c a piece on average). Level 5 crafted items cost 4-6 essences to craft, and they are junk items. That means that they would cost someone $3-$4 to craft, which is definitely not going to happen.
To answer your first question, because I can get there faster, and with enough gear the rare mobs are still rather easy to plow through.
To answer the second, I am merely trying everything I can to see what works and doesn't work. I actually think that using gold find is a faster way to get subtle essences in bulk (just buy vendor items).
I made a Wizard with 145% gold find and she made a killing per hour. Pretty ridiculous actually, with 50 gold popping out on some drops.
I would be inclined to agree on the %gf. With the huge amount of gold drop sources, it really makes the stat particularly useful, and "farming" at that point would consist of just playing the game and killing stuff like normal. No need to farm certain spots just go and it automatically works :D Besides, end game gear will have a good number of attributes per items, so I'm sure people will find mf/gf combo gear to be sexy!
Update on the gold find, I was banned from the beta for maxing it out at 145% (every piece of gear had over 10% gold find). I wasn't totally "maxed" but I was pretty high up there.
Here's a video explaining the ban:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyW9qT8-ACI&feature=g-upl&context=G28662c2AUAAAAAAAAAA
And here's proof from an email that a Blizzard Support Representative gave me:
http://bit.ly/yyEqYV
This is a bit vague , you might want to post the one when they actually tell you why you were banned? Im sorry but this is just some random hype about your "secret strategy" bull**** that involves right clicking monsters.
If this is true they're going to loose so many players... Diablo is all about items but you get banned if you get too many of them? Sure does make sense...
Here's the proof:
http://bit.ly/yyEqYV
I have another email from Blizzard which I will reveal tomorrow on the blog, with a very long response from myself.
That's proof that you are a little attention whore and want to get people on that site of yours. Do it by promising them super-duper strategies before the game is released but don't go around claiming you were banned for being such an amazing Beta Bucks farmer. It's pathetic.
Abidextria
28-01-2012, 07:58
Here's the proof:
http://bit.ly/yyEqYV
I have another email from Blizzard which I will reveal tomorrow on the blog, with a very long response from myself.
AHAHAHAAHAH "Banned for too much gold find" LOLOLOL are you kidding me?!
you got banned because your trying to sell some crap made up gold secret scam.
Like I said before, there are hardworking people on these forums, dedicated to bringing free high quality content to its members.
Your website is an insult and a ripoff of everything diablo markets stands for.
Please **** off.
tuberCHIMPY
28-01-2012, 11:23
disclosure I visit Markco's blog quite a lot and chat with him via email occasionally
Hey why all the anti - Markco hate ? Seems a bit unnecessary and over the top. I had to sign up to post a reply in this thread and rule one was not troll/flaming. I understand if you don't like that Markco want to profit directly from his tips and tricks, but that doesn't necessitate all this hate.
You don't have to spend money with Markco if you don't want to, that's freedom of choice. Also I myself have no intention of spending any of my money on Markco's gold guide ( sorry Markco, it's true ), but there's an awful of lot free info and debate to be had from Markco just by reading his blog and the debate in replies to his posts.
There's 3 diablo 3 blogs I read almost religiously every day, and Marcko's is one of them, because those blogs are where I find the most up to date, insightful, regularly updated, and thoughtful info and debate on Diablo 3 economy ideas. What I'm saying is that I've found that Markco blog is worth a regular read for good free info, and is one of the 3 best as far as I'm concerned. You don't HAVE to spend money with Markco to get great info but you can IF YOU WANT TO.
Internet haters are always gonna hate, but if you are serious about trying to make gold and real cash in Diablo 3. Then you could do a lot worse than discard your prejudices, take of those blinkers and at least read what Markco has to say BEFORE making your mind up about him. I find it very telling that Markco is taking a capitalist approach towards this - "maybe if I provide an information service people will pay for it?" yet is it seems the people decrying him the most for this are Americans living in the land of the "free" where capitalism is king. Oh wait I see "soviet", maybe that explains things.......
galzohar
28-01-2012, 17:48
What I don't like is someone claiming he can teach people how to do things in a game he haven't even played. It's sounds just as serious as someone coming here and saying he's going to be a Starcraft 3 pro and trying to promote his Starcraft 3 guide when the game isn't even out yet.
The "there are people here intending to do the same for free" is just icing on the cake for me. The real reason is that I can't trust someone who claims to be able to teach me something to do something he obviously doesn't know how to do.
Once you get proven results (not meaningless beta crap or most-likely-fake "I farm too much gold" bans), then maybe people would respect your "guide" more. And even then they'd probably have more respect to an open forum such as this where both information and criticism regarding that information are openly available.
That's proof that you are a little attention whore
Hey SEOLJL, feel free to disagree but can I ask you keep it civil. Thanks.
Brokenstorm
28-01-2012, 21:03
I'm gonna farm for the next 5 hours with my 200mf char just to prove his claim is pure bull**** :whistling:
edit: currently making 12k per 30min, still not baned
AHAHAHAAHAH "Banned for too much gold find" LOLOLOL are you kidding me?!
you got banned because your trying to sell some crap made up gold secret scam.
It looks like that's probably closer to the the truth. It sounds like the 'exploit' they banned you for wasn't exploiting the gold system, but rather exploiting Beta access to create/advertise your Diablo 3 Gold guide - which makes a lot more sense. Yes, you're not selling it at the moment, but your intentions are clear, given your many advertisements.
They want players to use the Beta as a preview/test, not get an edge up on creating a guide to sell for commercial gain (and possibly compete with their own guides that they profit from) - as they clarified in the second email. It's in the terms of service, and in their rights to put a stop to it.
You've also been twisting the ban itself into its own advertisement of sorts, claiming you were banned for making too much gold - when it sounds like this may not be the case. You were banned for trying to turn your early beta access into a head start on commercial profit.
Of course, once the game comes out, more power to you. There's nothing inherently wrong in selling info to others that don't wish to spend time following all the forums where people figure out/discuss these tips for free, and I applaud your ability to turn farming into a profitable venture. HOWEVER, it sounds like you'll need to closely read the terms of service or contact blizzard to make sure that they won't ban your account for selling 'unauthorized guides' in the full game too.
A.Account Eligibility.
You may establish an Account only if you are a "natural person" and an adult in your country of residence. Corporations, Limited Liability Companies, partnerships and other legal or business entities may not establish an Account. Individuals prohibited by Blizzard from using the Service may not create or use an Account, and doing so and may result in severe civil and criminal penalties. By accepting this Agreement, you hereby represent and warrant that you meet these eligibility requirements.
Are you even registered commercially to sell these guides? If you are, then it's against the TOS, if you aren't then your doing fraud lol.
B.exploit the Service, a Game or any part thereof for any commercial purpose, including without limitation (a) use at a cyber cafe, computer gaming center or any other commercial establishment without the express written consent of Blizzard; (b) to communicate or facilitate any commercial advertisement or solicitation; (c) for gathering in-game currency, items or resources for sale outside the Game without Blizzard's authorization; or (d) performing in-game services in exchange for payment outside the Game, e.g., power-leveling;
You got banned for this, don't try to put the blame on them.
I'll keep the thread open but please refrain from insulting each other.
Just to help clear things up, I think it is pretty clear you were banned for using the Beta for commercial gain (selling gold-guides etc), not because you produced too much gold (there is nothing in the ToS that punishes people for being good farmers, unless they use exploits/hacks to do so).
Azzure, I received an email from customer support stating that it was for exploiting the economy on my bnet account. Then I received an email two days later from (possibly) blizzard that did not also go to my bnet account.
If it's true that I was banned for commercial gain, why isn't diablo3markets banned as well? Why not incgamers, wowwiki, mmo-champion, diablofans, etc? They all have ads and make money from the game.
It all sounds a little fishy to me, and I'm questioning if that second email really was from blizzard or not. Even I know how to write a little php script to make someone think an email was from someone else.
Either way, selling a shady pdf is against their TOS and diablo3markets, incgamers, wowwiki, mmo-champion, diablofans doesn't do that, all revenue is generated through advertising as a fansite of diablo 3. That's why you got banned. You didn't exploit the game, you exploited the service, which is explained in the TOS. It didn't show in your bnet account because the d3 beta is a privilege and not a right and they won't have to warn you if they revoke that privilege. You would get something in a paid game if you'd get banned.
Hey SEOLJL, feel free to disagree but can I ask you keep it civil. Thanks.
Sorry about that , my bad.
Either way, selling a shady pdf is against their TOS and diablo3markets, incgamers, wowwiki, mmo-champion, diablofans doesn't do that, all revenue is generated through advertising as a fansite of diablo 3. That's why you got banned. You didn't exploit the game, you exploited the service, which is explained in the TOS. It didn't show in your bnet account because the d3 beta is a privilege and not a right and they won't have to warn you if they revoke that privilege. You would get something in a paid game if you'd get banned.
Since you feel the need to insult, allow me to respectfully disagree.
First off, this website is no different from mine, except for the fact that diablo3markets IS making money from diablo 3 right now and mine is not (I have no published guide yet). In my opinion, the admins here should get a ban as well, at least if blizzard is going to be equal in their judgement for banning.
A PDF guide!? You obviously don't know me bud ;). I don't write pdf's, I create membership sites that require a login to access. Videos, forums, podcasts, write ups, walkthroughs, support teams, etc.
To get back on the subject of this thread, I personally think it's way too early to tell weather any method of farming will be deemed good or bad based on the beta. Though I don't have any beta acces myself, I do know that it's too early to make any predictions about what will be more profitable: selling materials or the crafted items. This is simply because Blizzard is still adding prefixes and suffixes so the balance in item modifiers is not yet found.
If Blizzard adds a lot more modifiers that are not always usefull it might take a lot more tries to craft a good item. In that case it might be more profitable to sell the crafteables rather then the materials as a good roll of modifiers adds a lot more value then just selling the materials. But it could just aswell go the other way that all the modifiers are usefull in some way, then selling the materials might be more profitable. Therefore I think it's way too early in this stage of development/beta to make any of these videos with the presumption of it bringing in profit.
/cheers
bah double post, something went wrong with browser, please delete this one
First off, this website is no different from mine, except for the fact that diablo3markets IS making money from diablo 3 right now and mine is not (I have no published guide yet). In my opinion, the admins here should get a ban as well, at least if blizzard is going to be equal in their judgement for banning.
A PDF guide!? You obviously don't know me bud ;). I don't write pdf's, I create membership sites that require a login to access. Videos, forums, podcasts, write ups, walkthroughs, support teams, etc.
Did you read what Pheal said? He gave you the reason for why you were banned and why your website and diablo3markets are two totally different things and you chose to disregard it and claim they should be also sanctioned? Don't know if you are for real or just seeking some attention in an very annoying way. Id rather read a pdf file that has actual information in it than see a video of you farming 2 subtle essences in 15minutes(even if it has a podcast , walk through , support teams and some forums to talk about this whole thing) .
First off, this website is no different from mine
While I don't necessarily have a (big) problem with you selling gold guides to people who don't know how to use google or search the masses of sites who offer that information for free, like the vast majority of gamers do, I'm going to have to strongly disagree with that statement.
All our guides, marketing statistics (which costs us a LOT of money to build and maintain mind you, far more expensive than creating a PDF gold-guide) are free to the public. We don't, and never will sell any of our services or ask people to pay for the information we provide.
I'd say that's a pretty major difference, and likely why Blizzard have no problem with us but frown upon the service you provide.
Yes, Azzure, I agree.
However, Blizzard stated that "ANY COMMERCIAL GAIN" can be cause for a banning.
Does this site make money from the attention of Blizzard fans because you talk about the game? Yes, so therefore it could be seen as a bannable offense.
I'm not trying to twist words here, this site falls into the same category, for a different revenue stream. Are they the same? No, but you have to admit that this leaves Blizzard the ability to ban any site for any reason related to Diablo 3, as long as they have an advertisement somewhere.
@SEOLJL
I guess you don't follow my site. A lot more information there than just an experimental farming method.
Yes, Azzure, I agree.
However, Blizzard stated that "ANY COMMERCIAL GAIN" can be cause for a banning.
Does this site make money from the attention of Blizzard fans because you talk about the game? Yes, so therefore it could be seen as a bannable offense.
I'm not trying to twist words here, this site falls into the same category, for a different revenue stream. Are they the same? No, but you have to admit that this leaves Blizzard the ability to ban any site for any reason related to Diablo 3, as long as they have an advertisement somewhere.
@SEOLJL
I guess you don't follow my site. A lot more information there than just an experimental farming method.
Yeah you may be right, technically they can go after all kinds of sites that involve their copyrighted products. However I think they would only exercise that ability for sites they strongly disapprove of, typically sites that conflict with their interests or they deem harmful to their product or community. At least that's how they have exercised that right in the past.
Despite what some people may say, Blizzard care deeply about their community and image.
tuberCHIMPY
01-02-2012, 10:22
I would like to point out that advertising is a pretty much a guaranteed revenue stream - and mostly not optional for the user.
So saying: almost every website does it ( Markco doesn't at the moment ), some sites do it just to help cover bandwidth and hosting costs rather than profit, it is optional in that users can use browser add ons to block ads.
My point is that at the moment Markco isn't making any money at all in any form to cover his expenses let alone profit, the gold guide is not for sale, he has no adverts. He was very open in his intent to produce a gold guide and private section of his website that would have been subscription only.
He currently provides good free information to anyone who reads his blog. It seems a bit over the top to paint him in such a negative light as some here considering what he's currently giving away at his own expense without even adverts to help.
Whilst I understand the natural pride in contributing to such a prestigious site as incgamers in a responsible role that takes considerable patience, time and effort, I don't feel it's fair to say one person's contribution to the D3 community as a whole is more worthy or valuable than another's. Sure if Markco still decides to go ahead and charge for his members only section after all that's happened then it would be fair to say that he would no longer be giving to the community for free, but currently he is giving to the community for free and it's costing him time and effort, and he's sharing his results with everyone.
Dislike his proposed business model, reason with him if you think he should keep his information free, set up your own competing service if you think you can do a better job, do it for free if you want the community to benefit from your work for nothing, but enough of this holier than thou looking down on him as if he's some sort of baby munching, slave trading, pantomime villain who doesn't recycle.
Either way, selling a shady pdf is against their TOS and diablo3markets, incgamers, wowwiki, mmo-champion, diablofans doesn't do that, all revenue is generated through advertising as a fansite of diablo 3. That's why you got banned. You didn't exploit the game, you exploited the service, which is explained in the TOS. It didn't show in your bnet account because the d3 beta is a privilege and not a right and they won't have to warn you if they revoke that privilege. You would get something in a paid game if you'd get banned.
I understand that your viewpoint is the same as blizzard's, but I wanted to point out that you can interpret that email to mean any site that makes a profit from covering d3 is against their TOS.
I did not exploit the game, but the reason they initially banned me was assumed economic exploitation. The whole website thing was a warning email they gave me days later.
You can use the word "shady" all you want, I didn't sell 6000 wow guides because they were "shady." you can also use "PDF" but no PDF is really worth anything, because it's outdated by the time you buy it.
Thanks tuberchimpy, that was very kind of you.
Naviaras
02-02-2012, 00:16
@Markco/tuberCHIMPY: Please stop backing up your arguments with alts. This thread is quickly becoming a dead horse. I haven't see a single person who is a regular on this site come to your defense. Your actions clearly upset Blizzard/Activison thus your Ban. The owners/operators/admin of this site are known to Blizzard. Many of them got BETA access on the first wave of public invites. If Blizzard had a problem with them or the dozens of other "Fan Site" out there they could easily cut off their access to the BETA.
I believe your actions if they where done after the game's release would be tolerated. A BETA isn't an opportunity for any entity to get a jumps start on a revenue generating guide. A BETA purpose is to test game systems both software and hardware prior to a release.
Your point that the advertisements on this and other fan sites are revenue generators is mute. Advertisements are a necessary evil for any site that requires the storage space and bandwidth that a large fan site require. Blizzard accepts this or they would have litigated to shut down this site a long time ago.
Please stop advertising/humble bragging about your product/actions. Advertising on a FREE site for your guides is just poor taste.
If you want to discus other Market issues as a point of theory like every other post on this forum, jump in. You might learn something.
<Steps of Soap Box>
One other big difference is even if they wanted to ban inc gamers people, they don't necessarily know which account belongs to Azzure or Flux or Elly. It's a lot easier when you post a video of you on your account. They can quickly and easily pinpoint which account belongs to you, and then ban it.
Also, you've been banned for violating terms of use. The websites don't violate the terms of use, though they may violate other copyright laws, and could be pursued under that avenue. Even if blizzard did determine Azzure's account, you can't really use the TOU to justify banning Azzure's D3 account for actions he takes on a web site, as long as he is not misusing his account.
Hey I made my post under the influence of an entire bottle of Jack Daniels.
I got a bit carried away in a number of threads, sorry dude.
For shame Bowzer... That stuff should stay in the Pal's forum... :thumbup:
@Markco/tuberCHIMPY: Please stop backing up your arguments with alts. This thread is quickly becoming a dead horse. I haven't see a single person who is a regular on this site come to your defense. Your actions clearly upset Blizzard/Activison thus your Ban. The owners/operators/admin of this site are known to Blizzard. Many of them got BETA access on the first wave of public invites. If Blizzard had a problem with them or the dozens of other "Fan Site" out there they could easily cut off their access to the BETA.
I believe your actions if they where done after the game's release would be tolerated. A BETA isn't an opportunity for any entity to get a jumps start on a revenue generating guide. A BETA purpose is to test game systems both software and hardware prior to a release.
Your point that the advertisements on this and other fan sites are revenue generators is mute. Advertisements are a necessary evil for any site that requires the storage space and bandwidth that a large fan site require. Blizzard accepts this or they would have litigated to shut down this site a long time ago.
Please stop advertising/humble bragging about your product/actions. Advertising on a FREE site for your guides is just poor taste.
If you want to discus other Market issues as a point of theory like every other post on this forum, jump in. You might learn something.
<Steps of Soap Box>
Try not to fall off the soap box.
Advertisements and revenue for storage space and bandwidth is complete BS. My last forum had 8,000+ members and cost me $270 a month. Believe me, you can make quite a bit more on a monetized forum than that. I ran mine for free because of the gold guide sales, but that's besides the point.
I am not tuberCHIMPY. You sir are an arrogant fool yourself, something you seem to easily brand me as being as well.
I will be more than happy to "jump in" on the strategies of these boards, in fact I'm here because I like reading the discussions. I've got quite a bit to offer here as well, and you'd know that if you read my blog that I write for every day.
I think I'm done arguing this. I'll be back soon with more ideas and strategies.
Abidextria
03-02-2012, 00:57
Bottom line, you tried to sell/promote a gold guide before game release. No matter how you look at it, its gunna be viewed as a scam.
If the games comes out and your successful then more power to you, go make and sell your guide i won't care.
And if you want to participate in the RMAH discussions that's fine too. Just plz stop promoting gold guides till after release plzzzz, its just sooo annoying. Its to the point every time i see the name "marko", i roll my eyes in protest.
Sorry but you racked up alot of bad PR and you have nobody to blame but yourself.
One other big difference is even if they wanted to ban inc gamers people, they don't necessarily know which account belongs to Azzure or Flux or Elly. It's a lot easier when you post a video of you on your account. They can quickly and easily pinpoint which account belongs to you, and then ban it.
Considering how I got my key, Blizzard definitely know my Battle.net ID.
I am closing this thread, I think everything that needed to be said was said.
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