Rent account...?

[digitalforce]

Would anyone in the F&F beta be willing to "rent" their account for a few hours? I am dying to try the beta and with no indication if/when I'll be able to try it out, I am willing to do whatever :smug:

PM me if interested.

[CorneliousJD]

I had somebody offer me a Steam copy of Half-Life 2 and Half-Life 2: Episode 1... I declined, and he gifted me Half-Life 2 anyhow!?

[digitalforce]

I understand if some wouldn't agree with this but I would be all over it if I was in the beta. Everyone wins :)

[Frantic]

Desperate times call for desperate measure lol.

[Zaqwert]

I would also be interested in renting a day or two's worth of time to play the beta.

As I understand it one can complete all the beta content easily in a few hours, as such I would be willing to pay an amount for a day or two to play it.

The biggest concern is security of course and there'd have to be a level of trust involved. I think the best way to do it would be to change the password on the account temporarily, allow the person to play for a day or two, then log on and change it back after their time is up. Of course the renter could "hijack" the account at that point, if you had alot of games on your account or valuable WoW stuff and what not it might not be worth the risk, but I'd be willing to give my full contact information (name, address, phone #, etc.) and also pay up front.

[Kastigar]

I think security of personal info is less of a worry for me personally than the job security of the person who gave me access. He had to flag my account personally and if it started jumping login IPs from all over the country..or the world. It might get suspicious.

I'm not saying it would happen(I have no hard base for my concern) but the I imagine the threat of something like that happening will keep most people away from things like this. That and account sharing is a no no as far as Blizzard is concerned, account sharing while profiting from it would probably not make them happy.

[MrMegaProphet]

This kind of thing is probably against ToS, i know you guys are dying to try the game, so am i, but this things can never be safe (no protection against the other person).

[tmrman]

This kind of thing is probably against ToS, i know you guys are dying to try the game, so am i, but this things can never be safe (no protection against the other person).

It's very against the ToS. If you just let a friend play your account Blizzard probably wouldn't care but if they found out that you were renting your account out for profit I would expect to lose that account forever. It can actually be illegal because you require a license to rent out Blizzards IP.

[Azzure]

I think security of personal info is less of a worry for me personally than the job security of the person who gave me access. He had to flag my account personally and if it started jumping login IPs from all over the country..or the world. It might get suspicious.

I'm not saying it would happen(I have no hard base for my concern) but the I imagine the threat of something like that happening will keep most people away from things like this. That and account sharing is a no no as far as Blizzard is concerned, account sharing while profiting from it would probably not make them happy.

To be completely honest, I don't think Blizzard care that much about the act of Beta-account sharing between FRIENDS. They only care about it getting out of control (ie going public or some stranger using it to profit etc), or the headache of the fallout from a compromised account.

Though I can definitely see why people would be reluctant to do so. Just out of respect.

[Kastigar]

It is against the ToS regardless, so I doubt very much that people being "friends" or not would matter. A rule violation is a rule violation. How they opt to enforce those rules in this type of situation is anybody's guess.

I just know that I'm personally not willing to risk my account or my ability to participate in more F&Fs. And while unlikely, I would feel awful if my contact in Blizzard caught any kind of flak or got a reprimand for it. It's not so much IF Blizzard will, but who is really willing to risk it and bet they wont.

I'm not trying to thrash anyone or anything, just trying to point out the things going through my head when I saw this. I imagine I'm not the only beta-tester with these types of feelings about the situation.

[BohemianStalker]

It is against the ToS regardless, so I doubt very much that people being "friends" or not would matter. A rule violation is a rule violation. How they opt to enforce those rules in this type of situation is anybody's guess.

I just know that I'm personally not willing to risk my account or my ability to participate in more F&Fs. And while unlikely, I would feel awful if my contact in Blizzard caught any kind of flak or got a reprimand for it. It's not so much IF Blizzard will, but who is really willing to risk it and bet they wont.

I'm not trying to thrash anyone or anything, just trying to point out the things going through my head when I saw this. I imagine I'm not the only beta-tester with these types of feelings about the situation.


IF you are not willing then why are you posting in his thread? He does not ask for discusson about TOS , he asks for an account . He does not care about your reason. Stop making other posts your opinion playfields. God dammit!

And dont be such a *****. YOu could easily setup shared desktop connection where its almost impossible for him to hack if you would watch him. Ip and all that bullcrap would be same. Oh and I am sure he would make your time worthwile.

Blizzard is such a crap, why is Blizzard giving away free beta accs to random people(friends and family)? Sell it to people who wants, make profit, better the game or give it to more professional beta testers.

[treader]

Relax you guys. Digitalforce is just desperate for a fix. Diablocrack is one hell of an addictive substance and very highly sought after legally and *illegally* nowadays.

[chrisek]

Lol, anyone thinks that renting account is save ?

[digitalforce]

You change the password when done, there ya go. As long as the current owner has all the name, info and secret question, no one can take over your account.

I realize some people's feelings are against it and that is fine. No harm, no foul. I was just hoping someone would share so others can enjoy. Sorry, youtube videos just don't do it for me.. :(

[alcoholic]

I payed 15 $ for 2 hours of SC2 back in the beta days.

[RiddleOfSteel]

I have access to keys to the Path Of Exile closed beta. I would be willing to trade a key to a key for D3.

[Mewy]

I did it in the Sc2 beta days with friends all the time.

[digitalforce]

Right. I understand it may seem sinister/crazy but it's really pretty reasonable and the person who owns the account gets a little compensation for his willingness to share the "love" :)

[chrisek]

So i can pay for some time of play;-) I'm in Poland so for any Us player it will be no problem as its a time difference.

[digitalforce]

I think it's pretty reasonable amongst responsible adults and the owner of the account has full security but I do understand people's reservations.

Either way, I'd make it worth your time for a few hours.. (Wow this sounds sleazy :) )

[Glycerine]

As much as I would love to rent a beta key, I don't anyone would be willing to rent one out as there is no way they can be sure that we'll return the account to them.

[Adree]

The account is tied to the original email address and battle.net account. The owner of that account can always reset the password. This used to happen with WOW - people would sell their accounts, and then simply change the password again some point in the future when they wanted the account back.

If I had a beta account, I'd give you some time Force, but it would definitely be under the condition that you didn't post any videos or report on your experience publicly.

I often let my friends play when I was in the WOW alpha and beta testing (which lasted over a year), and didn't get in any kind of trouble.

Sadly, I lost contact with the friend who had a friend at Blizz. :(

[digitalforce]

As much as I would love to rent a beta key, I don't anyone would be willing to rent one out as there is no way they can be sure that we'll return the account to them.

That isn't accurate. All the owner has to do is change the password in the Battle.net account management page. Done.

Also, as I mentioned before, as long as the owner has the name and secret question answer, Blizzard will always protect that account.

EDIT: I appreciate that Adree. I would also return the favor if luck changed...

[Lord_Vega]

I, too, would be willing to trade my PoE closed beta key for a day or two of D3 Beta. You keep the PoE beta key :)

As they say, Diablocrack is a tough, tough thing to kick out of the system! I just HAVE to get my hands on the DH for a few hours =)

[ursustas]

I just had two real life friends drop by and visit me to 'check it out!!!' .. they 'watched over my shoulder ;)' for a few hours and loved it. Sold 2 copies of Diablo 3 for Blizzard, right then and there. I believe they are visiting regularly in the future.

Renting out the account seems very wrong though/against the spirit of the whole thing.

[digitalforce]

If I had some to "visit", I'd be doing that as well.. Also, as this is not really a beta but an early demo, I thought it would be good to trade or something so more people can take part.

Knowing Blizz, even though the game seems polished and done, we could still be 6 months or more out for full game :(

[Zaqwert]

I can totally understand how someone wouldn't want to let some stranger use their account, for a multitude of reasons.

However there still are probably a few people out there willing to take some small risks to make a little scratch on the side and if there are then they should send me a PM.

[jjscud]

IMHO, I think the friends and family part does put the blizz acquaintance at some risk and is somewhat unlikely. Once the public beta starts I think its a much more reasonable proposition.

Also, meetups may be a very reasonable alternative. If I get in the beta, I probably would not feel comfortable renting out my account. However, I wouldn't have anything against someone sitting down at my computer and trying it out.

@digitalforce I actually thought about the above before checking anyone's location. What I said above holds, if I get into public beta, I'll make sure any locals (Salt Lake/Utah Valley) on here get a chance to try it out.

[digitalforce]

LOL! JJSCUD! Happy Valley... now that is funny and ironic.

I will offer the same my friend. If either of us gets into either beta, my doors are open.

Honestly, if I got a F&F beta invite, I'd let peeps try and wouldn't expect any on the side but I only offer it as incentive because I have nothing else to offer besides help with video encoding or whatever...

[Tulklas]

I think security of personal info is less of a worry for me personally than the job security of the person who gave me access. He had to flag my account personally and if it started jumping login IPs from all over the country..or the world. It might get suspicious.

Haha! you rent your account and your friend gets **cked! That would not be good.

[Tulklas]

IMHO, I think the friends and family part does put the blizz acquaintance at some risk and is somewhat unlikely. Once the public beta starts I think its a much more reasonable proposition.

Also, meetups may be a very reasonable alternative. If I get in the beta, I probably would not feel comfortable renting out my account. However, I wouldn't have anything against someone sitting down at my computer and trying it out.

@digitalforce I actually thought about the above before checking anyone's location. What I said above holds, if I get into public beta, I'll make sure any locals (Salt Lake/Utah Valley) on here get a chance to try it out.

If you do get in the beta jjscud I will seriously take you up on that.

[digitalforce]

@Tulklas Are you in Utah as well?

I definitely understand people being hesitant but I have dealt with so many battle.net issues that I know for sure the seller/borrower has all the power in the transaction so the risk is small. I think the perception is that you'd get screwed over...

Either way, daddy needs to try ASAP. While I appreciate all the screenshots and vids, I am ready to PLAY.

I started Diablo II yet AGAIN last night out of desperation (with D2multires @ 1600x900 luckily) but I am ready for something new.

[Zaqwert]

What type of $ would someone be looking for to rent a beta account for a day or two anyway?

[digitalforce]

The real question.. would someone do it for a $100 spot? :)

[BohemianStalker]

@Tulklas Are you in Utah as well?

I definitely understand people being hesitant but I have dealt with so many battle.net issues that I know for sure the seller/borrower has all the power in the transaction so the risk is small. I think the perception is that you'd get screwed over...

Either way, daddy needs to try ASAP. While I appreciate all the screenshots and vids, I am ready to PLAY.

I started Diablo II yet AGAIN last night out of desperation (with D2multires @ 1600x900 luckily) but I am ready for something new.


Hey pal,

dont worry. Everything you do, asking for beta, offering money is ok. If its again tos it still doesnt mean that it is wrong. I even think tos is overgraded piece of trash.

There are lots of people running and yelling but they do not have any degree in law whatsoever, for instance in my country since blizzard did not translate its service I am not bound to its TOS. Period. If you live in America, here my knowledge of US law is very limited. But I still do not believe that if you rent a service(yeah you are not buying d3, you are renting it since its software surprise) you dont have any right to rent it to third side, especially when the third site does use it in legal way(no hacks etc.) Could be nice to see someone who knows about this "stuff".

Anyway, we still can talk about people being pus****. Because they could setup remote acces , remote desktop acces to their computer and they dont have to give you any password. Or they just could stop being naive that a guy from forum who is offering money and propably go first on paypal(that means pay first) will hack/do whatever bad to their account. Its just not gonna happen.

But people are oversensitive these times. The goverments/corporations have them under their grip, so they are not asking..hey is this moral? Its more likely..hey isnt this against tos?

I had warhammer online beta account once. Sold it for 200bucks. Bought christmas presents for my family from this money.

Was it violating tos? yeah.
Was it moral? hell yeah.

Good luck finding your seller who is not pus** and see world around him in a normal way.
:thumbup:

[Tulklas]

@Tulklas Are you in Utah as well?

Yeah, Highland/Alpine area.

[digitalforce]

Yeah I am not going to trash on those who won't go along with it but maybe with stumble upon this post and agree with it. I am willing to make it worth their while.. :)

@Tulklas -- Awesome! We'll have to hook it up if/when one of us gets into the closed beta...

[Srikandi]

But people are oversensitive these times. The goverments/corporations have them under their grip, so they are not asking..hey is this moral? Its more likely..hey isnt this against tos?

The legal status of EULA/TOS/TOU is still very much debated in the US, and different courts have ruled different ways on em. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EULA#Enforceability_of_EULAs_in_the_United_States

Personally, I'm of the opinion that if you live in a democratic society, then what's legal and what's ethical can't really be clearly distinguished. That's because if you expect to benefit from those laws in your country that you like and that benefit you, you are ethically bound to put up with the laws that you don't like and that might benefit somebody else. If everybody could pick and choose according to their individual "ethics", the consequences would be pretty bad for, well, everybody. I say this speaking as a citizen of a country where there are a lot of very loud people who are very certain their values are better than mine... for instance, the idea that it's morally correct to take from the poor and give to the rich. The only thing that protects me from those people is the rule of law.

The argument that one is ethically bound to respect the law doesn't help in this case, though, since as I said, the legal status of the TOS is murky :p

However, more to the point, Blizz controls access to a lot of stuff a lot of people here want... so the practical concern might not necessarily be what's legal and/or ethical, but rather whether any particular course of action might result in a loss of that access ;)

[thevixen]

The real question.. would someone do it for a $100 spot? :)

That would be quite lucrative if people were willing to pay that much... it just doesn't make sense when you could go buy 2 or more brand new full games for the same price.

[digitalforce]

That would be quite lucrative if people were willing to pay that much... it just doesn't make sense when you could go buy 2 or more brand new full games for the same price.

It does make sense when you are tired of all other games out there and you want ANY slice of Diablo III :thumbup: