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healingyeti
31-08-2011, 07:10
I need a 0os or 4os Monarch i'll offer 1x UM for 0os or 2x UM for 4os
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/443421/D2/ebug.spirit.jpg
I have this, but your offers are ridiculously low.
Phat Bastard
31-08-2011, 07:45
then you should keep it to yourself, mysticc
then you should keep it to yourself, mysticc
No.
I mean, "How dare someone actually want what their item is worth. They must be evil for wanting value for value. It's a socialist society. They must give it to me for really cheap because I *need* it!"
I have played this game so much that I have found at least 100+ ist runes and a crazy amount of vex runes. I have only found *ONE* ethereal bugged monarch. Don't tell me this is worth an um. It's not.
I will trade for fair value.
Phat Bastard
31-08-2011, 08:20
Were you sincerely interested in negotiating a trade with him for that shield?
Were you sincerely interested in negotiating a trade with him for that shield?
Sure, but nowhere near an Um rune. A 4os normal, non-superior monarch is worth more than 2 ums as it is.
Phat Bastard
31-08-2011, 08:40
pm sent, mysticc. Please try very hard not to dress up what I say like that.
Sorry to pollute your thread, healingyeti. This is my last post in this thread.
The odds of an ethereal bugged monarch dropping are higher than a legit Vex rune pretty easily.
The odds of a normal monarch dropping from gobs and gobs of monsters in Hell difficulty is 1:6000. 1 in 20 of those will be ethereal, and 1 in 4 of those will be ebugged should you try your luck with the socketing formula, for odds of 1:480000. This is actually pretty small time when it comes to D2 drop odds-- getting say, Dracul's Grasp from a random monster is like 1/3 that. You get a better chance with bosses but they're in smaller supply so there are less drop chances.
The problem is they're not all picked up cause a lot of people don't think they're actually valuable. But if ethereal bugged monarchs were currency they would be pretty decisively below Vex in value assuming no duping or such, which has drop odds of worse than 1:2000000 from most basic monsters in hell, and no odds better than the previous 1:480000 aside from council members and super-uniques-- and even those don't have great odds.
The odds of an ethereal bugged monarch dropping are higher than a legit Vex rune pretty easily.
The odds of a normal monarch dropping from gobs and gobs of monsters in Hell difficulty is 1:6000. 1 in 20 of those will be ethereal, and 1 in 4 of those will be ebugged should you try your luck with the socketing formula, for odds of 1:480000. This is actually pretty small time when it comes to D2 drop odds-- getting say, Dracul's Grasp from a random monster is like 1/3 that. You get a better chance with bosses but they're in smaller supply so there are less drop chances.
The problem is they're not all picked up cause a lot of people don't think they're actually valuable. But if ethereal bugged monarchs were currency they would be pretty decisively below Vex in value assuming no duping or such, which has drop odds of worse than 1:2000000 from most basic monsters in hell, and no odds better than the previous 1:480000 aside from council members and super-uniques-- and even those don't have great odds.
I don't know if you're numbers are correct, but from experience, the monarchs drop far less frequently.
Even if that's the case though - we'll just grant you it - you cannot ignore the fact that this is a prized item to be taken into non-ladder, while a vex rune is worth crap.
Random normal eth spirit monarchs with 35% are worth 2-3x the price of normal 35% spirits. Ebug ones usurp even those prices by massive amounts.
Certainly. And I'd imagine that would be a very relevant issue in the non ladder trading forum a few weeks from now when some guy is looking for one!
[/LIST]22]Certainly. And I'd imagine that would be a very relevant issue in the non ladder trading forum a few weeks from now when some guy is looking for one!
It's relevant now because ladder is essentially over. We don't even have a month left now. All the items that can be retrieved on non-ladder have tanked in prices, while the ladder-only ones have risen in value or kept their value (but it appears that they have risen in value because everything else is dropping). It is also why Lo has somehow managed to keep a firm price despite Jah/Ber dropping like crazy - lots of people rerolling griefs, forts, etc. in preparation for non-ladder. Not so many people rolling infinities or faiths.
Essentially, the closer we get to a reset, the more these ladder-only prized items are going to approach their non-ladder price figures.
onetwothreeKILL
31-08-2011, 18:54
The odds of an ethereal bugged monarch dropping are higher than a legit Vex rune pretty easily.
The odds of a normal monarch dropping from gobs and gobs of monsters in Hell difficulty is 1:6000. 1 in 20 of those will be ethereal, and 1 in 4 of those will be ebugged should you try your luck with the socketing formula, for odds of 1:480000. This is actually pretty small time when it comes to D2 drop odds-- getting say, Dracul's Grasp from a random monster is like 1/3 that. You get a better chance with bosses but they're in smaller supply so there are less drop chances.
The problem is they're not all picked up cause a lot of people don't think they're actually valuable. But if ethereal bugged monarchs were currency they would be pretty decisively below Vex in value assuming no duping or such, which has drop odds of worse than 1:2000000 from most basic monsters in hell, and no odds better than the previous 1:480000 aside from council members and super-uniques-- and even those don't have great odds.
I have a question mysticc, why is an ethereal monarch valuable in the first place. I just don't understand the use, thanks!
I have a question mysticc, why is an ethereal monarch valuable in the first place. I just don't understand the use, thanks!
10 less strength point commitment for switch shield means 10 more free vitality. It's a big deal when spirit itself gives 22 vitality, so that's nearly a 50% boost and it's not even equipped! If you value any vitality boost/perfect vitality stat on any gear, then 10 is quite big.
People also value because it looks cool to have ethereal cta and monarch at the same time.
It's rare. Ebug 330+ def makes it even rarer (I think 333 or 334 is perfect). Almost super rare. Since nobody picks up, it's even rarer to those people that iso it - so it conveys big premium.
Merc can use it too. Not everyone uses act 2 mercs!
I have a question mysticc, why is an ethereal monarch valuable in the first place. I just don't understand the use, thanks!
To offer the perspective of someone who's not trying to sell you on the item-- to 95% of players it's not.
To the small portion of people that use A3 mercs it has some use (A1 mercs for life). To people optimizing strength for their weapon switch it has use too, but the ebugged aspect is superfluous in that case as weapon switch defense isn't important.
So yeah the market for this item is people who are "perfectionists" (keeping in mind that more defense on the weapon switch is one of the most useless stats) and a3 merc users, basically. For most people it's worth little more than an ethereal spirit, which debatably isn't worth that much more than a normal spirit as the demand is that much lower. Unfortunately supply on this item is so low that you're kind of at the mercy of the seller until people start to keep them more regularly-- but they're really not that rare, that's a misconception as the numbers show (especially considering if you remove the ebugged part of the equation the drop odds are a very reasonable 1:120000).
They're rare in the same sense that Kuko Shakaku is rare cause no one keeps them around.
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