View Full Version : Wiki To Do List: Volunteers Wanted
As Risingred suggested, here's a list of stuff that needs to be done, great and small. all assistance is appreciated. This post will be updated over time as things are crossed off and others are added on. Anyone is free to suggest other things to add to this list; if there's something lacking, do bring it to our attention.
Navigation:
D2 monsters. New menu, listing every monster and related topic. Needs to be pasted into many, many pages.
Done by Flux, January 18, 2011.
D3 devs.
Most of them we don't know much about, so at minimum make a page with their title, image (I put all the images in the category (ss).) and put in the nav box and categories at the bottom.
This is largely finished, thanks to Varquynn's amazing effort. Where did you even find these lesser-known ones? Sojin Hwang (http://diablowiki.net/Sojin_Hwang)?
Also, there are a number of red pages in that nav box that could be updated. Other games especially. About the only one now present is this:
http://www.diablowiki.net/Diablo_clone
Almost caught up
Media Coverage page.
http://www.diablowiki.net/Media_Coverage
Reference page.
http://www.diablowiki.net/Reference
Massive page of acronyms, abbreviations, game terms, etc, specific to D3. Will grow greatly once the game's out and we start getting skill, item, etc abbreviations, BotD style. It's up to date now, barring the addition of some not yet real well known D3 abbreviations, but I'd like most/all of the abbreviations to have their own wiki pages.
There's no special formatting required. The pages are fairly short, in most cases. Examples:
http://www.diablowiki.net/Blue
http://www.diablowiki.net/Chain
http://www.diablowiki.net/Cool_down
Please be sure all such pages are put into the [[category:reference]] (and other cats, if applicable), and include a link back to the [[reference]] page as well. See examples above.
Jan 28, 2011: I recently added a number of pages for general RPG terms: grind, run, aggro, e-peen, and raid. Updates like those are always welcome, if you think of a word that's in common usage but that noobs (at least) won't know, feel free to put up a page for it. It only takes a paragraph or two to explain most things.
Risingred
09-12-2010, 17:27
Sounds good. My previous statement about having free time proved to be ultimately false, but I'll see if I can't crank some of these out soon.
This has been done by Varquynne.
Big chunks of skill descriptions can be quoted, or at least cited, to the appropriate skill pages, from my various Blizzcon char reports.
http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/hands-on-from-blizzcon-mega-pvp-arena-report/
http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/hands-on-from-blizzcon-mega-quests-and-levels-report
http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/hands-on-from-blizzcon-mega-pvm-report-monk/
http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/hands-on-from-blizzcon-mega-pvm-report-wizard
http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/hands-on-from-blizzcon-mega-pvm-report-barbarian
http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/hands-on-from-blizzcon-mega-pvm-report-witch-doctor
http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/hands-on-from-blizzcon-mega-pvm-report-demon-hunter
Updates and new pages for the various attribute changes detailed by Bashiok.
http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/huge-attribute-changes-in-diablo-iii/
Valhauros
23-12-2010, 21:19
So, I saw the link (http://diablo.incgamers.com/blog/comments/wiki-watch-rogue-fitting-resources-diablo-3-basics-and-more/) in the main page and started to look at the wiki, created an account an read quickly most threads in this section; since I found no answer for what I was looking for, I've got to ask:
Why is there 2 wikis? Why not condensate it into one place?
Why is there 2 wikis? Why not condensate it into one place?
Mainly for searching convenience, since so many items, monsters, modifiers, characters, skills, and more have the same names in all of the diablo games. Finding the page with D1 or d2 info is useless if you're looking for d3 axes, runes, whirlwind, set items, fallen, potions, etc. When I've used wikia or other wikis that have multiple different games in the same series jammed into the same wiki, I've found that very annoying. And we didn't want to make disambiguation pages for every shared name between the games.
It's occasionally inconvenient at this point, but once D3 is out, traffic to the D2 wiki will slow down, and since Bliz will stop (has stopped?) patching in new D2 content, at some point we'll pretty much never need to update the D2 portion of the wiki again. (Aside from adding depth and content for the sake of completism.)
Valhauros
23-12-2010, 22:33
Thanks for the fast answer! I have another question, if you don't mind, also related, and the reason I asked about the info division...
I've been lurking around here since the beginning, a year after the DSF was closed, and I think this has to be the oldest and most concurred Diablo site in the Internet. Recently, in the new WoW page, they included "more info" links to wowhead (a database) and wowpedia (a wiki) for a lot of things.
Do you think that when the time comes, regarding D3, Blizzard will ask to link to this website (particularly the wiki, for informative purposes) and if so, would you (and/or Elly and Rushster) do modifications to the system, layout or content as a requirement for the linking?
Recently, in the new WoW page, they included "more info" links to wowhead (a database) and wowpedia (a wiki) for a lot of things.
Do you think that when the time comes, regarding D3, Blizzard will ask to link to this website (particularly the wiki, for informative purposes) and if so, would you (and/or Elly and Rushster) do modifications to the system, layout or content as a requirement for the linking?
That's something Elly and I were discussing the other day, when the Wowpedia thing happened. I don't see any way they'd link to the main news site, since we post about everything there, including controversies and arguments and criticisms of the game.
The wiki though, is a possibility. We'd be willing to make the wiki the "official" D3 wiki in some sort of linkage partnership, assuming we/the community maintained editorial control. If Bliz wanted us to whitewash things from it, or remove good info or strategies or pages about various controversies, that would be a problem. I haven't followed the WoWpedia issue closely enough to know if that's an issue there; if they had to remove some data mined info or other stuff Blizzard didn't approve of? Do they cover news controversies or other community issues?
We have a lot of that stuff in the wiki; the Art Controversy for instance, since it's interesting and relevant. If Blizzard required the wiki to be purely a game info resource, like an official strategy guide/manual, then no we wouldn't do that. Item stats are only a small portion of the diablo 3 world; the news and debates about features and other stuff are as or more important to the community than the game stats.
Would blizzard do some sort of official fansite wiki thing with D3? Highly unlikely, IMHO. They like to maintain control of their product and the PR aspects of it. Witness the lack of any links out to anything from their current D3 site (or Bashiok forum posts, or @Diablo tweets). They don't even link to interviews or mainstream gaming site Blizzcon coverage. I think they'll be doing an Arreat Summit style site for D3, and it will be a good source of game info, but a black hole of community content (links go in, but never come out), just as the D2 one was.
Also note that WoW was released in 2005, and that since almost day one wowwiki and thottbot have provided much more thorough game info than the official site, yet it's only now that Blizzard has decided to linking out to a wiki in an official way. I guess they figured all the fans were already using the wow wikis, so there was no point in ignoring them any longer. (Good news for our partnership in 2017...?)
Admittedly, my years of interactions with Bliz Irvine PR have given me a very dim view of their willingness to do any kind of community outlinking or partnerships, so I could be wrong...
TheWanderer
18-01-2011, 00:37
This is largely finished, thanks to Varquynn's amazing effort. Where did you even find these lesser-known ones? Sojin Hwang (http://diablowiki.net/Sojin_Hwang)?
I'd like to know too. :shocked:
Dragonfriend
27-01-2011, 21:40
I'm looking to become a regular Wiki contributor (only done a few minor proofreading edits so far) and for my first real challenge, I've decided to tackle attributes! Yeah! Obviously, I'll be following Flux's guidelines in the post above, as well as overhauling the main Attributes page and fixing other pages that mention attributes (such as the Basics page).
If Flux or the other admins have suggestions (specific details you'd like to see or carry over from the current Attributes page), let me know.
I'm looking to become a regular Wiki contributor (only done a few minor proofreading edits so far) and for my first real challenge, I've decided to tackle attributes! Yeah! Obviously, I'll be following Flux's guidelines in the post above, as well as overhauling the main Attributes page and fixing other pages that mention attributes (such as the Basics page).
If Flux or the other admins have suggestions (specific details you'd like to see or carry over from the current Attributes page), let me know.
Great to hear it. I was going to say be sure to use the attributes overhaul post Bashiok put up, but I looked at Precision (http://www.diablowiki.net/Precision_%28Attribute%29) and you're on that.
The page formatting looks fine, and the content is good. One point on wiki style; try to use 3rd person PoV. A quote.
Originally, Precision was part of Dexterity which governed your chance to critically strike a target, and so doing more damage. Dexterity also influenced your chance to dodge an attack and lowered the chance that your character will be interrupted by getting hit.
Instead of "your" try to use "the character's" or "the player" or "a Paladin" or whatever is appropriate. I'm sure I'm guilty of lapsing into second person informality in pronouns on pages I've done, but try and do as I say, not as I fail to do. :)
I will create a bottom of the page nav table that includes attributes and more (resources, character stats, inventory... more?) I don't think they'd fit neatly into the skill navbox, which is a little overcrowded as it is.
http://www.diablowiki.net/Template:Skill_navbox
There's also a big D3 items navbox coming, once I've caught up the rest of the media coverage and all the pages are up to date.
Dragonfriend
28-01-2011, 17:35
Thanks for the advice, Flux. I should be able to fix those 2nd person references and knock out small pages for the ex-attributes by the end of the day. BTW, the quote from the Precision page you gave is actually an (almost) exact quote from the current Attributes page... which I believe you wrote. Not that I'm blaming you or anything. :wink:
As for the main Attributes page, that's a pretty big one and it might take me a couple of days to work up something I'm comfortable with. I hope you like it.
Also, you read my mind; I was going to ask you about making a stats or attributes navbox. But you're already on it!
P.S. I really hope they come up with better names for the attributes. Precision - Attribute OR Monk Trait! Seriously, Blizzard?
Well, glad I didn't get holier than thou in condemning the 2nd person language. heh. The person most guilty of that? Jay Wilson. He goes into that odd tense in most of his interviews, to the point that the pronouns are often unclear in their identity.
Incidentally, you can figure out who wrote everything on a wiki page if you care to look through the history and compare versions. Though I don't exactly recommend that to anyone as a cure for boredom.
If you (or anyone else) wants to give thought to nav box contents or improvements, feel free. They are publicly editable aside from the main page of the wiki and the main left side nav bar (which I desperately need to update), but are kind of code tricky, so it's best not to mess with them if you're not sure.
I don't want there to be a lot of different bottom page navs, if possible. The cool tabs we have on them make it possible to put a LOT into each one without it being a wall of text overload. Compare the d3 and d2 nav boxes to the older one for D1/HF that I did before we had the tabs. The main Diablo Game page stacks up all 3 nav tables.
http://diablo2.diablowiki.net/Diablo_Game#Duping
The D3 skills/traits box is pretty good, but I don't know how runestones are going to shake out. Will we want a discrete page for every runestone effect in every skill? How to link to to all 700~ of them, then?
http://www.diablowiki.net/Monk#References
Other navigation boxes are okay:
http://www.diablowiki.net/Template:Game_navbox
http://www.diablowiki.net/Template:Monster_navbox
http://www.diablowiki.net/Template:Character_navbox
One for items is needed and I have it planned out in a word document, but it's not in the wiki yet. I'm not sure where to put the attributes; they don't really go with skills, but they're not enough for their own table. maybe a sort of misc char stats table, with resources, links to the main skill/trait pages (but not all individual skills/traits), basic links to items pages, etc.
Most wikis are awful in terms of navigation, so I give it a lot of organizational-level thought in terms of how to improve on that with this one.
Dragonfriend
29-01-2011, 02:27
I'm not sure where to put the attributes; they don't really go with skills, but they're not enough for their own table. maybe a sort of misc char stats table, with resources, links to the main skill/trait pages (but not all individual skills/traits), basic links to items pages, etc.
That's a good idea; maybe if you need more content, you could add secondary stats, individual resistances, or even damage calculators. True, we don't have gobs of information about these things yet, but we will. Eventually.
As you say, finding more things to include in the nav is not usually a problem. Especially as content expands over time. Which makes it nice to have room to grow in the nav boxes. Which means I shouldn't be real concerned with stuffing them completely full at this point...
Hey, Flux, I just remembered a post you made earlier in this thread. Since I'm already making a polish pass through the skill pages, I'll take a stab at quoting the relevant passages from your Blizzcon char reports. Speaking of skill pages, I noticed that pages for War Cry and Rend are... missing. Maybe they were kidnapped by space monkeys.
Also, at some point I thought I'd add a section in the Attributes page giving bullet point lists of pros and cons for the changes, taken from Bashiok's post and the rather large forum thread here on that topic. Unless you want to do it.
--MrFrye (formerly Dragonfriend, and no, I won't keep mentioning this forever)
Lots of new skill pages got made after blizzcon with the new info. RisingRed made most/all of the DH pages, as I recall. But no one ever made the 2 new Barb skill pages. They've been sitting there ever since, red links, taunting us. TAUNTING!
Attributes: I'm still in early November on the media coverage update making/updating pages from everything in the news that needs it. And the attributes thing was in late December, so it'll be a while before I get there, and since the info is fresh in your mind after you dissected it all for the individual attributes pages, do what you see fit.
I'll read over the pages eventually and might make some additions, but that's the whole point in a wiki; other people can add tidbits. The hard part is getting up the initial page; once it's there more casual readers can generally be counted on for smaller additions and typo fixes and such.
But no one ever made the 2 new Barb skill pages. They've been sitting there ever since, red links, taunting us. TAUNTING!
I've heard Barbs can do that.
P.S. You get up way too early. :coffee:
Update:
They were taunting me, too. So I created them. Now I can sleep at night.
Also, I made the update to the Attributes page. And since 2 weeks practice has given me mad wiki editing skills, I prettified the individual attribute pages. Cause I like pretty things.:whistling:
Items navbox is live. Please take a look and make any suggestions for other pages that could be on it. I'll start pasting it to the appropriate pages (lots of them) later today.
http://www.diablowiki.net/Template:Items_navbox
I was going to make it with the clickable tabs, but as i started to plan it out... there really wasn't enough content for that yet. Easy enough to make tabs for armor, weapons, legendary items, etc... but there's nothing to populate them with yet, since we don't know many item types/names. So I just went with one big menu for now; it'll probably be beta time before we know enough to redo it and massively expand.
I'm not at all sure how those will fit, yet. The pages hold 7 or maybe 8 (at most) columns pretty well. More than that the columns get too narrow and any entry longer than 1 word gets doubled to 2 lines. And that sucks. But there are 9 type of armor, not including shields/jewelry, and like 13 types of weapons. So stack up 7 over 7? I tried that in HTML just to eyeball it, and it looks ugly. And very tall. However, since there will likely be variety in how many of each item type, some might fit neatly into mutual columns. If there are 18 types of body armor but only 12 helms and 7 boots and 8 shoulders...
That said, I think I'd like to have each item type's legendary (what if there are 2 or 3 or 4 legendary items for each item type?) right beside it. And maybe a link to crafting recipes (if any) that make that item type. And maybe links to that item in item sets (if any). And that's way more than would fit decently into the column format.
So something with tabs, definitely. Format yet to be determined...
The items navbox looks great, Flux. I'm trying to finish my first pass through the Wizard's skill pages today, but when I'm done with that, I'll take a longer look at it and see if I can come up with some suggestions. After a quick glance, I didn't notice anything missing.
--MrFrye
P.S. Flux, are you getting my messages? The forum isn't providing me any feedback, so I can't tell if they're getting to you.
Risingred
27-02-2011, 05:01
I've been eyeing up the other games section but I'm a bit confuzzled as to some of the contents of the nav box.
I can understand Torchlight, but I'm not quite seeing stuff like Aion in there, what purpose it should serve in context of the wiki.
I do get Guild Wars, though. Didn't gaile go work for those folks?
I get DotA and D&D, too, but not so much the Aion connection, nor Baldur's Gate. If I have context, I can do that.
I've been eyeing up the other games section but I'm a bit confuzzled as to some of the contents of the nav box.
I can understand Torchlight, but I'm not quite seeing stuff like Aion in there, what purpose it should serve in context of the wiki.
I do get Guild Wars, though. Didn't gaile go work for those folks?
I get DotA and D&D, too, but not so much the Aion connection, nor Baldur's Gate. If I have context, I can do that.
I'd like the wiki to have everything a reader needs/wants to know about Diablo. That means very indepth info about all diablo stuff, and some amount of coverage of other related topics. Lots of terms in the Reference coverage aren't necessarily real diablo-centric; some are from other games, but they're used in related discussions.
For example, there's a new thread in the d3 forum (http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=793299) about Hearthstones and how they could be used in D3. I believe that's a feature from WoW (and maybe other RPGs?) but it would be nice if the wiki had a page with a couple of paragraphs about what Hearthstones are, and a link to that forum conversation.
In the same way, people often refer to other RPGs, or features in those RPGs, when talking about D3. The pages don't need to be (and shouldn't be) exhaustive, but some basic info about the game, link to the wikipedia and official page, and a few paragraphs about why they're relevant to Diablo or the diablo community. Similar features, developers who worked on both games, etc.
For example, I've long meant to add short pages for Zelda and God of War simply b/c Jay Wilson has so often compared D3's boss fights to the boss battles in those games. Some basic info about those games and a couple of paragraphs about how their boss battles work, and how that can inform our knowledge of D3. That I haven't played those games might be a slight impediment, but a bit of research can get the gist of things.
Such Violent Storms
01-05-2011, 04:42
Under Interface, under Function, it says "the 5 slot holds potions." It can, but now it can hold skills too (look at the 2010 screenshot)
I would do this myself, but it won't let me create a wiki account due to a "domain / ckey mismatch" error.
That should be fixed now.
We were trying to apply some anti spam things and we might have configured it a little harsher than we needed.
Please try again and let me know if computer still says no.
Such Violent Storms
01-05-2011, 19:01
Computer says yes now. Thanks.
Risingred
02-05-2011, 05:09
http://www.diablowiki.net/Reference
No more ugly red links. Could probably use some more filling out at a later date.
MrFrye, you're doing a bangup job on the skill pages, I must say.
Risingred
09-05-2011, 19:04
March and April completed for Media Coverage, and in related news, I want to stab my eyeballs out with a rusted spoon.
edit: It's completely current. I'm done with that particular page for a while. :p
March and April completed for Media Coverage, and in related news, I want to stab my eyeballs out with a rusted spoon.
edit: It's completely current. I'm done with that particular page for a while. :p
Good job.
The fun, relatively speaking, of updating the media coverage page is that you get to update lots of other pages at the same time. This is b/c most of the news worth enshrining on the media coverage have something worth adding to another relevant wiki page... This makes the media coverage updates take longer, and yet feel slightly less mechanical.
Just adding this one as out of date
http://www.diablowiki.net/Passive_skill
Noticed it when I found a thread on the official forum pointing it out
http://us.battle.net/d3/en/forum/topic/3082209153
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