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Does anyone think the DH wearing high heels in combat seems a little ... immature?
The Blizzard team said they wanted sexy and I think she's sexy enough without them.
Thoughts?
Please explain what you mean by immature.
Nothing about her has given me an immature vibe.
Please explain what you mean by immature.
Nothing about her has given me an immature vibe.
My wording was off, sorry. Typing and watching the Blizzcon panels on youtubue at the same time is hard for me. :ashamed:
I meant its a bit immature on the designers' part to portray a female fighter wearing high heels in combat.
Sorry, it's my turn not to have been clear enough. My first comment was about the char over all (design, modeling, etc), not necessarily her personality.
badKarma
24-10-2010, 03:23
It's the hottest trend, Kerrigan's got them as well.
They've obviously never worn a high heeled shoe before or asked their girlfriends/wives what it feels like to run or do athletic things in them.
lone_wolf
24-10-2010, 09:32
and because its a game every female character needs to be a teenagers wetdream Telzen?
fine way to potentiality turn female players away from the game. Myself i find it silly there is no need at all to have something like high heels on a female character, besides why let the female witch doctor and female barbarian have more functional footwear(yes bare feet is more functional then high heels) and just single out the demon hunter?
jay wilson also sound just as immature as before: Epic jada jada in almost every sentence.
Apocalypse
24-10-2010, 14:37
its a game? who cares if she has high heels if they look good then go with it. i love the character design
I care, things that has no logic or explanation ruin game depth, if you would ever read good fantasy book you would know that even fantasy worlds with all their magic need to be reasonable with plenty of logic or they will fail.
lone_wolf
24-10-2010, 15:27
I agree with Smash, for a fantasy world to be something you relate to it has to be believable or it will fail in the end.
You have any idea how hard it is to balance and flesh out a fantasy world Apoc?
heck just switching from being a dm for a high fantasy game session(this is what the world sanctuary from the diablo series is) to a low fantasy setting is a challenge.
The diablo 3 devs are trying to build a world here apoc not some flimsy little arcade game without a story or background to why your killing things.
Building a world is a serious undertaking that takes iteration after iteration to get even remotely near what your vision is. Its also very hard to do since you often have to make sure to kill your darlings over and over since they might sound awesome on paper but during play testing they end up not fitting into the setting your created or some parts might fit while others do not.
If you look at the crafting sanctuary videos its exactly what they talk about when they explain how they made the demon hunter.
raveharu
24-10-2010, 15:50
Elektra could kill many enemies in high heels, I don't see why the DH can't :grin: :heart: Jennifer Garner
http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/2606/alias20jennifer20garner.jpg
WizardGurl
24-10-2010, 15:53
I love her heels
voraginous
24-10-2010, 16:40
Does anyone think the DH wearing high heels in combat seems a little ... immature?
The Blizzard team said they wanted sexy and I think she's sexy enough without them.
Thoughts?
Yeah I think the concern about sexy is a little immature maybe, but if both classes have it its ok :thumbup:
and you can be sexy without being impractical. badass first, sexy second. high heels are impractical--remove em. I'm sure you can justify em, after all its a world with tons of magic, but to me it just shows Blizz values sexiness over practical-badassness.
reminds me of complaints about impractical female superhero costumes: http://womenincomics.********.com/ or http://www.tencentticker.com/projectrooftop/
FletVictus
24-10-2010, 21:03
and because its a game every female character needs to be a teenagers wetdream Telzen?
fine way to potentiality turn female players away from the game. Myself i find it silly there is no need at all to have something like high heels on a female character.
lol really bud? every female character needs to be a teenagers wetdream? You mean like the witchdoctor? Yea she's a babe, the barb too right, love my women with bigger muscles than me. I'm also extremely attracted to short haired monk females, they're chastity is a total turn on. The fact is, good looking women do exist and so it would be wrong if all of the female characters were ugly. The guy demon hunter is going to be good looking too, is that a problem? If anyone really doesn't play the game because there is a good looking chick they have bigger problems. And on the point of the heels, heels/sweet boots, are badass, and chicks love them too. There is no need for a witch doctor to have a giant mask with waving tentacles, try walking around with that thing on your face, but it is Awesome, and that is why it exists, same as high heels.
Athanasios
24-10-2010, 23:07
There is no need for a witch doctor to have a giant mask with waving tentacles, try walking around with that thing on your face, but it is Awesome, and that is why it exists, same as high heels.
Oh yes, what he said.
evolutionxtinct
24-10-2010, 23:50
I said the same thing when I seen her video, I don't think she looks sexy in heels. To be honest if she was more like the Hunter/Ninja she somewhat portraits her shoes would be more cloth and more usable. I hope they change that, and honestly it shouldn't push female players away, it is just a game. My Wife will play, but she agrees it is somewhat immature by the dev's. They should have asked there wives.
I'm not understanding this immature trend.
I'm not understanding this immature trend.
There isn't anything to understand.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CombatStilettos
High Heels = Sexy = MAUST BE IN DAH GAEM
It's not a trend, it's the reality of target demographic driven design. Diablo 3 is a lot better about this than most games are, though. They limited the sterotypical sexy to just one class.
Not a trend as in why the devs chose it, a trend as in why posters are harping on it via the term "immature".
Sorry.
raveharu
25-10-2010, 01:45
Not a trend as in why the devs chose it, a trend as in why posters are harping on it via the term "immature".
Sorry.
Because they never had a gf before.
Elektra could kill many enemies in high heels, I don't see why the DH can't :grin: :heart: Jennifer Garner
http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/2606/alias20jennifer20garner.jpg
The reason why the DH screams of unoriginality. Too many femme fatales already sporting leather and heels. It'd make me feel like im playing some Underworld videogame or something.
Funny, the first person I thought of was Selene.
The class didn't scream originality to me at any point. It did scream bad###ery.
Apocalypse
25-10-2010, 05:29
I agree with Smash, for a fantasy world to be something you relate to it has to be believable or it will fail in the end.
You have any idea how hard it is to balance and flesh out a fantasy world Apoc?
heck just switching from being a dm for a high fantasy game session(this is what the world sanctuary from the diablo series is) to a low fantasy setting is a challenge.
The diablo 3 devs are trying to build a world here apoc not some flimsy little arcade game without a story or background to why your killing things.
Building a world is a serious undertaking that takes iteration after iteration to get even remotely near what your vision is. Its also very hard to do since you often have to make sure to kill your darlings over and over since they might sound awesome on paper but during play testing they end up not fitting into the setting your created or some parts might fit while others do not.
If you look at the crafting sanctuary videos its exactly what they talk about when they explain how they made the demon hunter.
this is a joke right? high heels ruin the depth of the world? so running around in armor that covers nothing makes sense? the barb suddenly becoming an idiot and having to relearn all his skills makes sense? way points make sense? i mean really would you build a transport system that allows people to instantly zap and entire army into your city? there are so many things that make no sense at all and high heels is really the stick in the mud? good thing being able to carry around 5 suits of armor while still throwing fireballs makes sense just dont do it in heels
lone_wolf
25-10-2010, 10:46
nope high heels is a common way to ruin the feeling on all female character just as armor that looks more like a bikini then a real armor.
Most fantasy armors are crap when it comes to looking like armor at all so i am so used to that **** i am nowadays just trying to pick together something that look remotely like armor.
As for the male barb that can be really easy to solve by some backstory of him being physical and mentally broken and that he has to relearn his skills and work up his physical form to its limits again.
As for waypoints they have been a staple of fantasy stories for years. Often you need to have some knowledge to use them in other rpgs. As diablo is a action rpg they dont bother with that prerequisite and just let you use them as soon as you find them.
but yes there is a lot of things that does not make sense however there is little need for high heels in any setting of any created world.
The only reason high heels exists on female characters is to make them look sexy to males and some females, it fills no other purpose and that is why i dont like the overuse of them on female characters.
Some of us are pretty tired of the need for characters to be sexy or when it comes to males macho.
Fackelare
25-10-2010, 10:57
Does anyone think the DH wearing high heels in combat seems a little ... immature?
The Blizzard team said they wanted sexy and I think she's sexy enough without them.
Thoughts?
Let me put it this way. Blizzard managed to give the Queen of the Blades high heels, and she isn't even wearing anything...
Athanasios
25-10-2010, 21:42
I think stilettos make perfect sense for a ranged character; she can slam on the toes of her enemies when they get too close, leaving her with valuable time to make her getaway.
...
The fact that the developers choice of footwear bothers some people so much is baffling. I think we should forget about heels and talk about the functionality of Andariel's nipple rings.
The reason why the DH screams of unoriginality. Too many femme fatales already sporting leather and heels. It'd make me feel like im playing some Underworld videogame or something.
Yes, because barbarians, wizards and demons all scream of originality. :rolleyes:
nope high heels is a common way to ruin the feeling on all female character just as armor that looks more like a bikini then a real armor.
Most fantasy armors are crap when it comes to looking like armor at all so i am so used to that **** i am nowadays just trying to pick together something that look remotely like armor.
As for the male barb that can be really easy to solve by some backstory of him being physical and mentally broken and that he has to relearn his skills and work up his physical form to its limits again.
As for waypoints they have been a staple of fantasy stories for years. Often you need to have some knowledge to use them in other rpgs. As diablo is a action rpg they dont bother with that prerequisite and just let you use them as soon as you find them.
but yes there is a lot of things that does not make sense however there is little need for high heels in any setting of any created world.
The only reason high heels exists on female characters is to make them look sexy to males and some females, it fills no other purpose and that is why i dont like the overuse of them on female characters.
Some of us are pretty tired of the need for characters to be sexy or when it comes to males macho.
I seriously don't understand the complaint here. As TVTropes highlighted, this is nothing new. So, why is Blizzard being singled-out here? On the other hand, why are high heels being the only unrealistic issue being raised given the abudence of similarly implausible/impractical features such as the Witch Doctor's masks, the Barbarian's overmuscular physique and the general lack of protective armour worn by the heroes? If one can suspend belief for a lone hero to singlehandedly fight off hordes of thousands of demons, it shouldn't be that hard to accept that a person can fight comfortably in high heels.
Lastly, why is it so unacceptable for a female character to maintain her femininity in the face of combat? She chose to wear those high heels into combat and if anything, it proves how tough and competent she is since she can still fight without them being a hindrance.
Why the harping on sexiness when only one is?
Well, I like the female Monk too, but only because I like the Sin's short hair look.
The heels look good to me :]. The only question is - what's the male model's boots gonna look like? :P
Apocalypse
25-10-2010, 23:28
if the male version does not wear high heels i am not buying D3 and thats final
this whole argument is soo stupid. If you really care that much about whats on the feet of your character underneath all the bodies on the ground and all the other spells whizzing by your feet then you seriously have a problem. I know girls that dance in high heels, then run, then jump, then flip, there fine. Why don't you leave the choice up to the demon hunter, if she wants to wear her high heels, then she gets to wear high heels. Just like if my barb wants to wear high heels, id let him. :p
Doctor Salvador
26-10-2010, 04:46
To me it's not that it'll bother me that much, and it doesn't matter anyway because I can just play the male Demon Hunter if it is annoying. Sure, there are lots of other impractical things in the Diablo universe, which is completely understandable. But that doesn't mean having a precedence for impractical gear makes it OK to have more impractical gear. I just think the high heels are silly, but that's pretty much opinion.
I'll be too busy summoning the undead with my Witch Doctor to notice anyway.
Contingent
26-10-2010, 12:44
Does anyone think the DH wearing high heels in combat seems a little ... immature?
The Blizzard team said they wanted sexy and I think she's sexy enough without them.
Thoughts?
It certainly makes the Demon Hunter look sexy when she is wearing heels, so if that was the intention of Blizzard, then I'd say they were successful.
But I do agree with you that it is ridiculous, especially in light of the facts that she is a demon hunter (you're not going to get far hunting demons wearing high heels) and this other thing called--I don't know--the feminist movement. Is it impossible for game developers to create a strong woman without resorting to making her look as sexy as possible? Sexy does not equate to strong, contrary to popular belief. More cleavage, high heels, and skimpier outfits does not define a strong woman (or a strong man), in other words. In fact, when I see these things (lots of cleavage, high heels, etc.) on a so-called hunter, it makes it difficult for me to take her seriously.
Is it impossible for game developers to create a strong woman without resorting to making her look as sexy as possible?Have you seen images of the female Barb and Monk? Our Gallery (http://diablo.incgamers.com/gallery) has many pictures of both, as does Diablo 3's official site.
The Barbette, as we have called her, and Monk are both strong women, who are not overly sexy. I think the Wiz is cute for a teen, but not a sexy vibe IMO. I haven't gotten to see the WD without a mask so...
Anyway, Blizz has only done the sexiness to one single char. It's like in D2 where they had the zon. Wouldn't running so fast she disrupts time and space be killer on her back? Those bazookas need one heck of a sport bra.
And it seems you have missed the point of the char. She isn't supposed to give off any strong vibe--she's the agile char. Her strength is an inner one where she not only has the courage to stand up to demons, she actively seeks them when others cower in fear. Her strength isn't muscle or anything, and heels don't impact her vendetta at all.
Also, I'm pretty sure the dex based char wouldn't have problems wearing heels.
D2 already had a heeled char who was dex based. The sin (http://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/images/***/assassinfull.jpg) did kicks in high heels! People choose now to be the time to complain? Were they blind for 10 years?
Yes, because barbarians, wizards and demons all scream of originality. :rolleyes:
When you stack up all the chicks wearing the same freakin typical thing and compare it with the barbarian's Conan feel and non-existant emo wizards, there's no contest.
D2 already had a heeled char who was dex based. The sin (http://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/images/***/assassinfull.jpg) did kicks in high heels! People choose now to be the time to complain? Were they blind for 10 years?
Your link doesn't work. But your image (http://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/classes/assassin.shtml), is only art.Go look at the character screen. The Assassin doesn't wear high heels. Are the monsters going to drop high heels now? If sexy is all that's important, why not give them all giant breasts and make them scantily clad.
lone_wolf
26-10-2010, 22:23
And it seems you have missed the point of the char. She isn't supposed to give off any strong vibe--she's the agile char. Her strength is an inner one where she not only has the courage to stand up to demons, she actively seeks them when others cower in fear. Her strength isn't muscle or anything, and heels don't impact her vendetta at all.
Also, I'm pretty sure the dex based char wouldn't have problems wearing heels.
D2 already had a heeled char who was dex based. The sin (http://classic.battle.net/diablo2exp/images/***/assassinfull.jpg) did kicks in high heels! People choose now to be the time to complain? Were they blind for 10 years?
LOL sass you just failed to make a point from the get go. yes we played the character for years and yes she never ever wore any heels. Infact in every damn armor look http://www.rpgforums.com/forums/d2-character-development-discussion/111214-all-armour-graphics-diablo-2-lod.html of the assassin she wears plain boots just as in all other assassin art from blizzard except that picture.
Besides that point none of us said muscle made a strong character its far more complex then that.
some just dont like the idea of a accessory that was developed to make an female appears more sexy as a benefit for the lust of a usually male onlooker being the prime footwear of someone that should at least try to use some footwear that she could literally kick *** in.
After all she is a fighter that commonly fights demons not some damn plastic fantastic barbie girl that would cover the magazine of a magazine that targets males.
Why ignore the part where only one class was specifically made sexy out of all of them? There was no reason to go off on some tangent and think it's all important.
EDIT: Lone ninja'd me, but also ignored the post. This also applies there.
Besides, sin art is just like DH art. Both have heels, but only now is it an issue. The game model sin doesn't have heels. She also doesn't go shirtless.
DH's concept has heels in some images (not all). You can't see them well in-game.
The only thing immature about any of this is the fuss being made.
Well, this is the new art controversy thing then? Are her heels even visible in-gameplay?
If you zoom into the screenshots, you can see a slight dip in her boots, indicating a pointed heel. From the camera view, it is impossible to see.
it smacks of lazy lowest common denominator design to me, i would have given her some kind of flats, perhaps even leather . . . .
but ultimately its a really minor issue in the scope of the game.
popenfresh
27-10-2010, 13:13
I agree with the people saying that high heels are plain ridiculous in an action based game. High heels are nothing more than a misogynistic accessory imposed on women by men solely for the purpose of further transforming the female gender into an object of lust. They are impractical in every way and serve only to objectify the women.
However....
When I look at the DH I don't really get the impression that she was designed as a lust object, They may have designed her as the "sexy" class but only relative to the other female characters in D3. She doesn't have the huge disproportions of the amazon, nor does she show off the amount of bare skin.
Besides Sass has a good point too, she's the only female character in D3 that even remotely looks like a super babe model. The barbette, female monk and female WD look nothing like the skimpy broad chested porn/super models we see in many of today's other fantasy games.
In my opinion D3 has been very original and non-conformist with its character so far.
Contingent
27-10-2010, 16:30
The Barbette, as we have called her, and Monk are both strong women, who are not overly sexy.
Great, except that this is a discussion regarding the Demon Hunter and not the Barbarian, Monk, Wizard, and Witch Doctor. Thank you for answering my hyperbolic question though.
Of course it's possible for game developers to create female video characters that are not overtly sexy but strong; however, it doesn't happen frequently enough. Most of the time, female video game characters are outfitted with skimpy clothing and given big breasts--and this somehow makes them strong enough to stand up to their male equivalents that are 220 lbs of pure muscle and wearing practical armor (not metal lingerie).
Anyway, Blizz has only done the sexiness to one single char.
And that's one too many as far as I'm concerned, especially when you consider how common this kind of thing is in all video games.
It's like in D2 where they had the zon. Wouldn't running so fast she disrupts time and space be killer on her back? Those bazookas need one heck of a sport bra.
I agree that the Amazon was ridiculous aesthetically.
And it seems you have missed the point of the char. She isn't
supposed to give off any strong vibe--she's the agile char.
You're using the wrong definition of strong. I don't mean strong in the same sense as a power lifer is strong. I mean strong in the sense of being capable of defending yourself and other people. And since when does wearing high heels coincide with being agile?
Her strength is an inner one where she not only has the courage to stand up to demons, she actively seeks them when others cower in fear.
Inner strength alone cannot kill demons. She may be strong internally, but she's running around in a dominatrix outfit and high heels. When I look at the female Demon Hunter, I don't think, "Oooh, how impressive and strong!" I think... I wonder how good she'd be in bed if she were real? But this is exactly my point. The focus of video game developers isn't creating genuinely interesting and strong female characters. Their focus is creating sexy female characters that will attract boys and men (the primary audience for video games).
Also, I'm pretty sure the dex based char wouldn't have problems wearing heels.
She'd be more agile without them, not to mention taken more seriously.
People choose now to be the time to complain? Were they blind for 10 years?
Why are you being presumptuous? I've always complained about this type of thing.
To iterate, Blizzard has succeeded in making a sexy female character with the Demon Hunter, but they've failed in making a character that I can take seriously. Although I don't think the latter was ever Blizzard's goal.
Of course it's possible for game developers to create female video characters that are not overtly sexy but strong; however, it doesn't happen frequently enough. Most of the time, female video game characters are outfitted with skimpy clothing and given big breasts--and this somehow makes them strong enough to stand up to their male equivalents that are 220 lbs of pure muscle and wearing practical armor (not metal lingerie).
Likewise, how often are men displayed as overly masculine with OTT, unrealistic muscles? I reckon large-muscled guys are portrayed about as frequently as sexilly-dressed women in games. Yet... people don't seem as bothered by it? :confused:
Inner strength alone cannot kill demons. She may be strong internally, but she's running around in a dominatrix outfit and high heels. When I look at the female Demon Hunter, I don't think, "Oooh, how impressive and strong!" I think... I wonder how good she'd be in bed if she were real? But this is exactly my point. The focus of video game developers isn't creating genuinely interesting and strong female characters. Their focus is creating sexy female characters that will attract boys and men (the primary audience for video games).
If that was their sole aim, then why doesn't the female Witch Doctor look like some 'ebony goddess'? Their aim is to create visually distinctive characters. And while there may have been other ways to achieve this, the female DH as it is certainly is visually distinctive.
To iterate, Blizzard has succeeded in making a sexy female character with the Demon Hunter, but they've failed in making a character that I can take seriously. Although I don't think the latter was ever Blizzard's goal.
'Serious' is almost never Blizzard's goal. Look at the visual effects in DIII; they are flat out over-the-top. When you look at strategy games, their critters explode when you click on them multiple times. In addition, the regular units also have funny quips when the same is done to them. Clearly, 'serious' is not their aim; 'entertaining' is.
Personally, I think dressingly overly sexily is about as demeaning as forbidding someone to do so. Either way, you are forcing a person, regardless of gender, to conform to other people's expectations.
Inner strength alone cannot kill demons. She may be strong internally, but she's running around in a dominatrix outfit and high heels. When I look at the female Demon Hunter, I don't think, "Oooh, how impressive and strong!" I think... I wonder how good she'd be in bed if she were real? But this is exactly my point. The focus of video game developers isn't creating genuinely interesting and strong female characters. Their focus is creating sexy female characters that will attract boys and men (the primary audience for video games).
You are seriously overestimating the amount of time anyone will ever spend thinking about the shape of shoes the model of their character are wearing in this game.
lone_wolf
27-10-2010, 20:04
konfeta i have been in debates of how the prober etiquette would be to handle a tieflings tail in dnd as well as a very very large thread about why female dragonborns should not have breast since they are reptilians.
and that is just concept art.
i been in debates about the length of fantasy races and the fact it has changed from one edition to another and the outcry it created.
i have watched how people have analyzed an entire character class from a single concept art picture way before it was released and seen how strong opinions on posture, clothing, weapons, attidude, shape of body parts, length as well as weigh!
has all been generated from that single concept picture
dont underestimate how serious people can take small issues.
Those people are clearly in the very vocal and very minor minority. Once the game come out and people start playing it, they will happily realize how much of a not-problem the Demon Hunter wearing high heels is when you are playing the game instead of staring at the concept art, nitpicking every detail out of sheer boredom.
If after 5 minutes of playing the DH they stop and cry out, "Alas, I can take this mockery no longer! I cannot avert my eyes from constantly examining the high heels of this lady, the game is ruined forever!" these people have issues and need to see a doctor.
raveharu
28-10-2010, 02:16
Those people are clearly in the very vocal and very minor minority. Once the game come out and people start playing it, they will happily realize how much of a not-problem the Demon Hunter wearing high heels is when you are playing the game instead of staring at the concept art, nitpicking every detail out of sheer boredom.
If after 5 minutes of playing the DH they stop and cry out, "Alas, I can take this mockery no longer! I cannot avert my eyes from constantly examining the high heels of this lady, the game is ruined forever!" these people have issues and need to see a doctor.
:agree:
Nicely put, that's why I wouldn't be bothered to participate in such meaningless argument.
Contingent
28-10-2010, 12:21
Those people are clearly in the very vocal and very minor minority.
According to what evidence?
Once the game come out and people start playing it, they will happily realize how much of a not-problem the Demon Hunter wearing high heels is when you are playing the game instead of staring at the concept art, nitpicking every detail out of sheer boredom.
Speaking for myself, when Diablo 3 does come out in 2024, I will play it. However, if the Demon Hunter is still sporting a dominatrix outfit with high heels, then I will still not take the character seriously, and I will still think it sexist.
Seems like a character as pragmatic as the DH would wear some hardy traveling boots. It's not a big deal but it'd be nice if they got rid of the heels. Can you picture heels in D1? It would be silliness.
Osferath
01-11-2010, 22:47
Yes, its immature. Its an immature concept for sexiness, and all the comments in these threads saying that "you can be sexy and tough" are missing the point. Yes, you can be as sexy as Joan of Arc, and you can be a Rogue or an Assasin and kill a bunch of guys, but those who thinks that is even possible to run twenty meters with those high heels (that aren't just heels like the Elektra picture, they're MASSIVE heels) are (sorry) quite naive. And that goes also for the barefooted wich doctor, that at least he's a hobbit, he will have some serious problems at certain point.
I won't stop playing Diablo III because of that, but that doesn't solves the issue.
The only thing immature is the fuss made over a trivial issue.
You barely see the heels at all, and it's nothing new to Diablo.
Osferath
02-11-2010, 02:20
Yeah, I also think that we shouldn't make a fuss about this, but to me what makes this an important issue is the people that tries to defend those heels and get mad because someone criticise them. From what I know the guy who brought this topic to the forum wasn't flaming or anything.
Anyway, my first class is going to be the Demon Hunter (or maybe the Wizard?). But, if you ask me... yes, those heels are an immature and childish way of seeing heroins (the same as the bikini-armour someone wrote about above). I don't deny its sexy... for a disco :P
Yeah, it's immature to represent heroins that way, but that isn't remotely what's going on. It's only one char whose design specifically goes for being a sexy char. Heels are sexy.
The rest of the females are not going for being sexy (hence no heels). They go for their theme (creepy WD, young Wiz, tough barb, strong monk). DH is just one they added on the heels, and is not a representative of a heroin in any way.
popenfresh
02-11-2010, 10:01
The rest of the females are not going for being sexy (hence no heels). They go for their theme (creepy WD, young Wiz, tough barb, strong monk). DH is just one they added on the heels, and is not a representative of a heroin in any way.
I can only speak for myself but I think there are much better, non misogynistic, ways of making a character look "sexy".
Heels are sexy.
Speak for yourself. :p
Myself, well I can't pull off heels. :(
They certainly look sexy on women though. They tend to pull it off better than I can.
popenfresh
02-11-2010, 11:26
Lol, I'll have to take your word for it Sass. ^^
The way I see it the heels are just the tip of the iceberg of a broader problem here. The modern western beauty ideal is in so many ways completely unnatural and in many cases even unhealthy for women. the media have misrepresented this ideal for far to long and in the past decades the gaming industry has jumped on this bandwagon as well. I personally never quite understood the appeal of high heels or any of the other "requirements" we impose on women to make them supposedly pretty, but society disagrees with me on this point I guess.
Now I'm not saying Blizzard is exploiting this trend to the point where they're representing women as sex objects. I just think they're making a turn for the worse here, trying to appeal to boys and young men by making their characters "sexy" rather than adventurous or heroic. But like you said the DH is the only class that appears to be following this trend, so all in all Blizzard has been doing a rather good job in developing their classes so far if you ask me.
Well, Diablo has been about realism. WOW may have the overly sexy night elves and blood elves, but Diablo has been pretty accurate about how fit women look.
Granted, not all women are fit. Here though, they aren't all hourglasses like in other games. ;)
Anyone ever think that the heels will disappear once you pick up a pair of boots from a monster drop? The armor changes appearance in D2 and I would expect the same thing in D3. If she was wearing heels when her family was killed and hasn't found anything else yet then I guess she has to wear them until she finds something else.
Plus, it is concept art and a trailer. Things change and I am sure they wanted the trailer to look good and sexy.
bootressp
03-11-2010, 02:08
I didn't notice this while watching the video, but it is glaring on repeat viewing. I'd rather have her barefoot.
Yikes, and people were saying heels were impractical.
MiniMonk
03-11-2010, 02:16
I'd rather have her barefoot.
We can't have that! The Witch Doctor already is walking around barefooted, the Barbarian is walking around with boots(or something really similar), while the Monk is wearing normal(or close to normal) shoes. So all there is left are heels!
Edit: As for the Wizard? Those legs are a illusion! She really is just a ghost that floats about!
Anyone ever think that the heels will disappear once you pick up a pair of boots from a monster drop? The armor changes appearance in D2 and I would expect the same thing in D3. If she was wearing heels when her family was killed and hasn't found anything else yet then I guess she has to wear them until she finds something else.
That's a very good point. However I was thinking that the heels are part of the character model (as per the dev team's desire to create unique silhouettes for each class). It may not be possible to "take off" the heels; they will be there no matter what armor the character wears.
The heels can be seen in the following screen shots (probably from the Blizzcon demo with mid-level gear).
http://us.blizzard.com/diablo3/_images/screenshots/ss132-hires.jpg
http://us.media.blizzard.com/diablo3/_images/screenshots/ss139-hires.jpg
lone_wolf
03-11-2010, 18:57
That's a very good point. However I was thinking that the heels are part of the character model (as per the dev team's desire to create unique silhouettes for each class). It may not be possible to "take off" the heels; they will be there no matter what armor the character wears.
The heels can be seen in the following screen shots (probably from the Blizzcon demo with mid-level gear).
http://us.blizzard.com/diablo3/_images/screenshots/ss132-hires.jpg
http://us.media.blizzard.com/diablo3/_images/screenshots/ss139-hires.jpg
stiletto heels :crazyeyes:
That's a very good point. However I was thinking that the heels are part of the character model (as per the dev team's desire to create unique silhouettes for each class). It may not be possible to "take off" the heels; they will be there no matter what armor the character wears.
The heels can be seen in the following screen shots (probably from the Blizzcon demo with mid-level gear).
http://us.blizzard.com/diablo3/_images/screenshots/ss132-hires.jpg
http://us.media.blizzard.com/diablo3/_images/screenshots/ss139-hires.jpg
Thanks.:thumbup:
Now we all have examples where you cannot see them when you play.:wink:
Crackseed
03-11-2010, 22:33
Doesn't bother me at all. Definitely not realistic but hey, I like her style and she's a blast to play so I'm content \o/
Edit: Also, while I'm at it - I'm sure some of you were very vexed and upset over the Amazon's vacu-formed armor and the Assassin's thong too right? >.>
Osferath
04-11-2010, 12:04
Well, I had twelve when D2 came out, so the Amazon had a lot of scense to me. Fortunatly now I see that the representation to man of whats femmenine is impractical (probably because women where seen for too long as an ornament), and I see that Blizzard has that point of view.
They make heroins, which is great, but the tax they create to do that is putting them huge tits or high heels. Maybe the female barb is a good exception to that, and I don't mention the female WD because she is cartoonish in another order.
Oh... I didn't even notice...
Well, after looking at some screenshots, yes, she does have High Heels...
Hmn... Yes, it might be sexist, misogenyst, etc, etc, etc... I agree on that...
It is also impractical...
I disagree on the fact that she looks over the top-sexy so much to think of sex every time you see her though... Although, in my case that doesn't happen on any game with any char...
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Well... Heels could be removed and the char would still be amazing... Heels could not be removed, and thus we will play mostly the male one... I don't see much problem there...
Unless of course, the male one also happens to have high heels...
Wolfpaq777
04-11-2010, 16:35
and because its a game every female character needs to be a teenagers wetdream Telzen?
fine way to potentiality turn female players away from the game. Myself i find it silly there is no need at all to have something like high heels on a female character, besides why let the female witch doctor and female barbarian have more functional footwear(yes bare feet is more functional then high heels) and just single out the demon hunter?
jay wilson also sound just as immature as before: Epic jada jada in almost every sentence.
Um, any girl who decides that she won't play diablo 3 because one of the characters is wearing heels is not excited about or interested in playing the game anyway.
I'm sure every person on this forum could list 10+ things about Diablo 3 that we'd like to change, but every one of us is going to be playing it regardless when it is released.
I for one am grateful for the heels because my wife who I'm trying desperately to convince to play likes things that are sleek, sexy & cute. Here's to hoping there's a unicorn level.
I think I've played games for too many years. I never cared what my character wear in any game as long as it looks good.
Diablo 1 & 2 - characters cast spells, jumps few meters, run same speed in full plate armors, people are fine with that.
Diablo 3 - Demon Hunter wears high heels, overall whining and QQing.
Why people are not whining about casting spells, teleporting, summoning minions from nowhere, walking skeletons, demons, etc ? This things are far less realistic then running in high heels.
I guess people are fogetting that this is fantasy game. Everything here is possible. Why invented worlds have to have same rights as our world ?
And making female character in game wearing high heels is sexism ? Do you seriously think like that ? When you see girl on street wearing high heels, you think she wears it becouse she was forced by her sexist husband / boyfriend / father, and not becouse she likes it and doing it on her own free will ? How old are you people ?...
This. Is. A. Game. Get over it. If you want super mega realism go play CoD or something like that, and not fantasy based game.
P.S If you are male, and you are not sexist, you should go to visit a doc.
popenfresh
04-11-2010, 22:11
And making female character in game wearing high heels is sexism ? Do you seriously think like that ? When you see girl on street wearing high heels, you think she wears it becouse she was forced by her sexist husband / boyfriend / father, and not becouse she likes it and doing it on her own free will ? How old are you people ?....
High heels are just part of the problem, it's the overall beauty ideal that we all(men and women) impose on women that's the real predicament here. I have yet to meet a women who actually enjoys wearing high heels, waxing, and dieting. I don't care if a person tries to make him/herself more attractive but it shouldn't be at the expense of their physical and psychological wellbeing. Do you have any idea how many young girls today think they're failing to meet the ridiculous high demands society asks of them? Do you have any idea how much suffering, ridicule and bullying people are exposed to when they look even slightly different? The media and gaming industry are just enforcing this trend where they show off impossible beauty ideals that no natural woman could ever hope to achieve. I for one am f**cking tired of seeing 12 year old girls dress up as sluts because they see every other woman they look up to do it as well.
damn I'm ranting.. -.-'
P.S If you are male, and you are not sexist, you should go to visit a doc.
I don't understand what you're trying to say here....
Care to point that post in the other direction?
Do guys enjoy slicing their face every morning? I know I hate cuts and stubble.
Going nude is more comfortable than wearing a suit. Should I go naked at an interview?
Your rant also assumes Blizzard is imposing some idealistic view of women that is unachievable and thus degrading to those not looking that way.
It's completely false. Blizzard makes one single char look sexy on purpose. She isn't a tooth pick hourglass with giant knockers and a donk. She's an average athletic woman, who would be expected when playing an agile char focusing on dexterity and mobility.
Then there's the fact that the Monk, Barb, Wiz, and WD all don't come close to representing this ideal you assume Blizz is forcing on players.
The barbette isn't a Sonja Red. ;)
The WD is creepy.
The Wiz is a young, very average looking (cute, but not over the top) woman.
The Monk is similarly cute, but doesn't say "sexy". I like the hair in some cases (see assassin), but over all she's "alright".
DH is the only sexy one, and it isn't even a jaw dropping 11 on the scale.
To assume she means Blizz is being a sexist company is just ridiculous. Still, that's dwarfed by the sheer ignorance of people thinking the DH's heels are oppressive to women.
I don't understand what you're trying to say here....Long story short, men are pigs. This is a universal constant.
Don't even let the gentlemen fool you. They all want *****, or the shtick if they go that way.
They look nice, they act chivalric, but at night, they have the same primal sex drive as the rest of the male population.
popenfresh
04-11-2010, 23:23
Meh, I know my rant was one the edge of being whiney but I just had to get it off of my chest... Sorry if it sounded preachy
And no, I don't like shaving... Fortunately, I love my beard.
I know I'm doing a lot of generalizing here. Like I said Sass, I already stated that Blizz has been doing a pretty good job making original and unconventional characters for D3. I've liked all their female characters so far, although I did prefer the old barbette, but the WDette and monkette are pretty damn awesome.
I guess I'm still kinda pissed off about how they featured Kerrigan in SC2 and turned her into a teen drama queen. Giving her keratin high heels didn't help... -.-
Maybe that's why I'm afraid it will bleed over into D3. I'm not saying the developers at Blizz are sexist I just think their aiming to much at boys and young adults by portraying some of their characters as "sexy".
I'm not denying the fact that men are "pigs" but that doesn't mean we have to be sexist about it. Sure, I might want "*****" but that doesn't mean my "*****" has to model herself to my whims.
P.S If you are male, and you are not sexist, you should go to visit a doc.
I don't think you actually understand what sexism is.
Depends on which you mean. It can be a stereotyping, or it can be degrading. The two are in many instances similar, but not always.
BTW...
Thinking that making a DH use high heels is a way of imposing a model... It's not fully correct..
If we truly believe that, we could also believe that Blizz is imposing us a model with the Male Wiz... And I not even nearly want to look like him (nor like the WD or the Monk, or the Barb anyway)
Having the male wiz is oppresive to men? Not really
Having the female DH is oppresive to women? I doubt it, unless they got personality issues...
I don't think you actually understand what sexism is.
Ok, maybe I should use another word, since I didnt mean it in the pure form of sexism, where man treat woman as garbage.
As Sass said I meant that guys are pigs, and saying they are not is false.
popenfresh
05-11-2010, 09:03
BTW...
Thinking that making a DH use high heels is a way of imposing a model... It's not fully correct..
If we truly believe that, we could also believe that Blizz is imposing us a model with the Male Wiz... And I not even nearly want to look like him (nor like the WD or the Monk, or the Barb anyway)
Having the male wiz is oppresive to men? Not really
Having the female DH is oppresive to women? I doubt it, unless they got personality issues...
Well the Wiz is just your average Asian teen pretty boy, I don't really see how he is imposing any kind of ideal. He wears pretty practical clothing (for a wizard) and IMO there's nothing wrong with him other than looking ridiculously goofy.
That being said, women are much more prone to desired beauty ideals than men. Even today, after decades of emancipation, women are still largely judged on their appearance, with men this is less the case. In western societies men are more judged on their behaviour and less on how they look, with women it's the other way around.
Sass hit the nail on the head here, imposing stereotypes and actual oppression aren't the same but they're often complementary. High heels in general and especially in video games send out a wrong signal to women, but that doesn't necessarily mean they aim at subjugating the female gender.
If Blizzard put so much thought into removing crosses and religious symbols so as not to offend anyone (we all know that's the real reason) they could perhaps also try to put some thought into gender issues and the manner they depict women in their games.
That being said, women are much more prone to desired beauty ideals than men. Even today, after decades of emancipation, women are still largely judged on their appearance, with men this is less the case. In western societies men are more judged on their behaviour and less on how they look, with women it's the other way around.It's true that men encounter it less, but it's definitely there. For guys, it's less to do with skinny / perfection, and more to have big or at least very well toned muscles. Big biceps, pecs, rock hard abs, etc are all as influential to a young guy as a young girl seeing a model and thinking that's ideal.
Personally, I think it has to do with a patriarchal society that gives guys that unfair leeway in how we look.
Now, I'm not going to represent all guys, but as a kid, I did feel that urge to look like the muscular guys since ladies seemed to drool over them. I was skinny--lean really, I was in karate as a kid--and my metabolism even now prevents me from gaining any fat to work with.
Eventually, I had to accept that I'll always be thin. Seeing Bruce Lee muscular yet small was a big help there, but again, I wanted to be like him since I was in MA and he's the freaking king of MA.
I'm not anorexic and can out eat many of my big friends. I still see myself in the mirror and think I have a gut going (others insist I have an average belly, but I don't often believe them). That same image from younger years follows me, though I rationally know I'm not getting fat.
I fully understand the oppressive potential discussed here, but I don't feel it with a hulking barb or lean mean monks. Similarly, I don't expect women to see a DH in heels and think she has to look a certain way.
If Blizzard put so much thought into removing crosses and religious symbols so as not to offend anyone (we all know that's the real reason) they could perhaps also try to put some thought into gender issues and the manner they depict women in their games.They have. That's why women in Diablo are way different than women in WOW. Diablo's women are reasonable, but not over the top in any way. WoW's another story.
With some of Diablo's chars, they look like you can walk out in the street and meet one. I swear that one of the Heroe's cast (that detective with white balding hair) looked just like a necromancer. O.O
In WoW, you'll only see them at a convention, and only if a playboy bunny is dressing the part.
You can't make sexy character in game becouse it will offend someone, you can't make female character wear high heels becouse it's sexism, you can't show half naked woman (or man) in game becouse it's crime against humanity. For me all of this is just exaggeration , people are getting into bigger and bigger paranoia.
The Monk is similarly cute, but doesn't say "sexy". I like the hair in some cases (see assassin), but over all she's "alright".
I don't know why but I find female monk really sexy, but I guess it's just my sick taste.
They have. That's why women in Diablo are way different than women in WOW. Diablo's women are reasonable, but not over the top in any way.
(...)
WoW's another story.In WoW, you'll only see them at a convention, and only if a playboy bunny is dressing the part.
You are talking only about human females, or all races ?
They show elves, and do so as if they're human super models.
I was talking about all races.
But in WoW you don't have only female characters with look like from Victoria's Secrtes (or whatever it was called on Blizzcon).
Sure, female Draenai are sexy devils.
Nigh Elves are also sexy.
Humans are like... They aren't super sexy, or over top beuties, they look normal for me.
Worgen... hm, if you are into furry staff then they might be sexy.
Trolls... sure, if you look on body they are kinda good looking, but when you add face to it...
Blood Elves are typical Barbie Dolls.
But then you have Taurens, Orcs, Goblins, Undeads, Dwarves and Gnomes... Can't see why would WoW have less veriaty of female look then Diablo.
And if you still think it's not enough then go look on Therazane
http://www.wowpedia.org/images/4/4e/Therazane.jpg
popenfresh
05-11-2010, 11:11
Maybe I've been expressing myself a little unclear here.
I AM very grateful that the D3 team has put in a lot of awesome and original characters. When people were complaining about the monks beard and WD's bony appearance I was all like: "SWEET! Finally some realistic and non generic heroes."
There's nothing wrong with portraying heroes and characters as "sexy" or "attractive", we all think about it and indulge ourselves in it too. But when these ideals become so unrealistic that they start making people question their own normality the line has been crossed IMO.
To clarify myself: I DO like Blizz's approach on the D3 heroes, I just think it's unfortunate that the "sexy philosophy" has crept in. I just hope it stays with the DH's high heels and doesn't contaminate more of the game's design.
Risingred
05-11-2010, 15:35
Just saw this thread. I don't know why, all of a sudden, there are complaints about things that have been around for so long.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v88/blackbard/d3/assassin.jpg
Risingred, what have you done ?!
Now people will stop playing Assassin in Diablo 2 becouse of high heels...
popenfresh
05-11-2010, 16:27
People already brought up the sin concept art.
The point is; the sin never wore high heels in game because the designers must've been smart enough to realise it could never work.
Or becouse the game was made in low resolution, with big pixels and we wouldn't be able to see it anyway.
We can't see it in Diablo 3 either, unless you stop moving and just stare on screen trying to find it.
Risingred
05-11-2010, 17:23
People already brought up the sin concept art.
The point is; the sin never wore high heels in game because the designers must've been smart enough to realise it could never work.
Did you play the game with a microscope, analyzing everybody's heels?
Wolfpaq777
05-11-2010, 19:50
Did you play the game with a microscope, analyzing everybody's heels?
This made me lol. :rolf:
p.s. why is the rofl acronym misspelled "rolf" rofl???
To clarify myself: I DO like Blizz's approach on the D3 heroes, I just think it's unfortunate that the "sexy philosophy" has crept in. I just hope it stays with the DH's high heels and doesn't contaminate more of the game's design.
That's exactly what's going to happen. This focus is a one-time-deal.
That said, sexy has always been there. It hasn't been the focal point of a PC yet (well, the zon, but yeah).
Andy was naked with nipple rings. Kinky.
The Mistress of Pain is sexy above the waist in a high class, sophisticated way. She does stop once the killing starts though. =/
All of the corrupt rogues joined the braless 60's.
More on that note, heels have been there. Rising just posted the pic for clarity. Granted, it's a concept art. Well, that's precisely what the DH's are.
D3 shows them in game. You need to use a magnifying lens on a zoomed in image just to see them.
In-game, especially if you do any action at all, you will not see them.
It then boils down to the concept of the char, and it's far from being anything new.
Hi guys, what goin on in this thread?
http://img841.imageshack.us/f/wartravs.png/
No but seriously some guys have completely blown this out of proportions, high heels = sexism? come on atleast they don't have metal bikinis for armor like every other rpg...
But I agree that it doesn't make any sense to go to battle in high heels when theres tons of boots designed for combat in the universe. Not that I care about it myself, never noticed the high heels in the gameplay video at all, but then maybe I'm just blind then. But still, exaggerations and getting yourselves worked up over nothing. :yes:
popenfresh
05-11-2010, 23:32
Did you play the game with a microscope, analyzing everybody's heels?
You don't need a microscope to see what your character is and isn't wearing, so your remark is nothing more than an attack on a straw man. I've played a fair amount of D2 and while doing so spend hours staring at my character. If people spend so much time trying to figure out the perfect build it's not so strange that some people also pay attention on how the graphics and character designs look.
That's exactly what's going to happen. This focus is a one-time-deal.
That said, sexy has always been there. It hasn't been the focal point of a PC yet (well, the zon, but yeah).
Andy was naked with nipple rings. Kinky.
The Mistress of Pain is sexy above the waist in a high class, sophisticated way. She does stop once the killing starts though. =/
All of the corrupt rogues joined the braless 60's.
More on that note, heels have been there. Rising just posted the pic for clarity. Granted, it's a concept art. Well, that's precisely what the DH's are.
D3 shows them in game. You need to use a magnifying lens on a zoomed in image just to see them.
In-game, especially if you do any action at all, you will not see them.
It then boils down to the concept of the char, and it's far from being anything new.
D2 definitely had it share of "sexiness" too, I mean just look at the amazon, so yeah D3 most certainly isn't worse than D2.
With demons it's different IMO. Maybe I'm wrong here but depicting a giant naked female demon just isn't quite the same, so I don't think Andariel really counts as a wrong role model lol. As for the Mistress of Pain, her upper body has much more of a Victorian theme going(which isn't usually associated with sexiness, unless you get real kinky ofc ^^).
I know this thread has gotten way out of proportion when you look at the actual issue at had here. I really do like most of the designer's decisions but the heels are just a detail that bugs me. I'm definitely not bashing on the art style or game design here(well maybe I am in the case of the goofy high tier armours but that's a different discussion altogether).
You don't need a microscope to see what your character is and isn't wearing, so your remark is nothing more than an attack on a straw man. I've played a fair amount of D2 and while doing so spend hours staring at my character. If people spend so much time trying to figure out the perfect build it's not so strange that some people also pay attention on how the graphics and character designs look.
You do, however, need one to see the DH's heels. An exact magnifying lens isn't necessary, but any zoom is the basic meaning there.
At the camera's angle, it's impossible to see them. Many of the floor designs / colors make her whole foot impossible to see.
Still, I can appreciate seeing a char for the heck of seeing a char. With my sins, armor made no defense difference that was practical. 600 defense or 650, who cares when the opponent has 10K AR?
So, it was all about style. I liked Gothic Plates because of the red pants (like the char selection).
If heels are changeable or customizable, it can be worth noting. If not, it's just some trivial thing with no real impact, if it can even be noticed.
With demons it's different IMO. Maybe I'm wrong here but depicting a giant naked female demon just isn't quite the same, so I don't think Andariel really counts as a wrong role model lol. As for the Mistress of Pain, her upper body has much more of a Victorian theme going(which isn't usually associated with sexiness, unless you get real kinky ofc ^^).Well, like I said, a more sophisticated approach. They weren't sexy in that they showed some leg and had some booty popping, but had a certain classiness that has a lady-like appeal all its own.
It's also technically sexist :P
I know this thread has gotten way out of proportion when you look at the actual issue at had here. I really do like most of the designer's decisions but the heels are just a detail that bug me. I'm definitely not bashing on the art style or game design here(well maybe I am in the case of the goofy high tier armours but that's a different discussion altogether).Just being bugged by them is fine. Not everyone will have the same tastes. It's other people who bother me when things get blown out of proportion.
You yourself haven't, but too many others. They make more of a fuss than the issue discussed :S
Personally, it's so trivial that I initially didn't notice in gameplay, but only did in some concept designs. Never once did it register as derogatory sexist or in any way out of place.
I don't think it's normal to run in heels and kill demons while summersaulting, but I'm also not bugged if I see it in a video game.
WARNING:The following post is intentionally "not-fully-serious" and as thus is purposely exaggerated, please do take that into account...
This assassin image is not modified in any way (well, it is, I added some light because I'm too blind to see anything like it was, it seems my screenshot was at an wrong moment)
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Check this, people:
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/8690/platformshoe.jpg
So yeah... thoughts?
BTW, I can't really tell too much the difference between platforms shoes or heels, so spare me that one...
Reminds me a bit of this kind of shoe: http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/39/2010/08/340x_shoe_8-23.jpg
I think this thread should become the official 'OT' thread for the Demon Hunter forum. :thumbup:
warning, the video has naughty words...:crazyeyes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWwIWGW44tU
ErnestoHunter
06-05-2013, 13:39
Great, except that this is a discussion regarding the Demon Hunter and not the Barbarian, Monk, Wizard, and Witch Doctor. Thank you for answering my hyperbolic question though.
Of course it's possible for game developers to create female video characters that are not overtly sexy but strong; however, it doesn't happen frequently enough. Most of the time, female video game characters are outfitted with skimpy clothing and given big breasts--and this somehow makes them strong enough to stand up to their male equivalents that are 220 lbs of pure muscle and wearing practical armor (not metal lingerie (http://www.robustbuy.com/womens-clothes-lingerie-sets-c-1083_1085_1088.html)).
And that's one too many as far as I'm concerned, especially when you consider how common this kind of thing is in all video games.
I agree that the Amazon was ridiculous aesthetically.
You're using the wrong definition of strong. I don't mean strong in the same sense as a power lifer is strong. I mean strong in the sense of being capable of defending yourself and other people. And since when does wearing high heels coincide with being agile?
Inner strength alone cannot kill demons. She may be strong internally, but she's running around in a dominatrix outfit and high heels. When I look at the female Demon Hunter, I don't think, "Oooh, how impressive and strong!" I think... I wonder how good she'd be in bed if she were real? But this is exactly my point. The focus of video game developers isn't creating genuinely interesting and strong female characters. Their focus is creating sexy female characters that will attract boys and men (the primary audience for video games).
She'd be more agile without them, not to mention taken more seriously.
Why are you being presumptuous? I've always complained about this type of thing.
To iterate, Blizzard has succeeded in making a sexy female character with the Demon Hunter, but they've failed in making a character that I can take seriously. Although I don't think the latter was ever Blizzard's goal.
I just wonder what is the need of creating lingerie female characters in games. These games are mostly played by kids and it adversely affect their mindset. It should be more meaningful
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