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When D3 gets realesed I will definatley play a pirate version of the game before buying it, for the simple reason that the developers are chopping away at the foundation of what diablo is by removing stats(WTF) didnt that make a character unique, and then they remove the F-keys (SERIOUS WTF).
I just saw the Wizard have 30 skills, now either she has 20 odd passive skills and only 8 active, which I hope is not the case and doubt it after seeing the gameplay videos. The developers say "Well you have only 6 button to use" I say the hells with that, if I want to use most of my active skills that should be doable considering playstyle is individual, now they force you into useing a system the lead developers sees fit.
So If I'm in a fight and need a skill not assigned I have to stop and re assign, thats going to get me killed and its tedious. I feel that the choice needs to be there, the only thing diablo about D3 is the Blizzard Logo, everything else has been changed and I fear they might alienate core fans of the diablo franchise.
Pirate version of the game.
Eh yeah right.
You'll be one to keep an eye on then.
isak viking
01-09-2009, 20:01
i belive that this rune system and all the passives make more build playable. but im not saying i dont like alot of variety of spells, or alot of them. the F-keys are removed to 1-6 i think since there are no potions that u need to spam. the removement of stat i dislike :( but overall im satisfied with all the new systems and charachters ::thumbs::
isak viking
01-09-2009, 20:02
Pirate version of the game.
Eh yeah right.
You'll be one to keep an eye on then.
piracy is a good thing for major game creators:) but ruins for the smaller ones :thumbup:
piracy is a good thing for major game creators:) but ruins for the smaller ones :thumbup:
Sorry. I don't share your view.
Moonfrost
01-09-2009, 20:07
When D3 gets realesed I will definatley play a pirate version of the game before buying it [...] the only thing diablo about D3 is the Blizzard Logo, everything else has been changed and I fear they might alienate core fans of the diablo franchise.
If the "core fans" refuse to buy the game just because they can't be arsed to rebind the default keys, I think it's safe to say they're not "core fans" by any stretch of the imagination.
isak viking
01-09-2009, 20:11
Sorry. I don't share your view.
its like informertial? reklame? (im sry dont know the word in english:( ) so if liek a frend of mine played a pirated version of d3 and told me that it was great.. id probably like to try d3, im not saying that i would buy it or anything, but if then i tried it and got a wow.. ive told my friends and the chain continious. eventually alot of them would have bought the game out off addiction or wanting to play online wich probably is a way better experience:coffee:
im not saying piracy is a good thing, it makes life hard for alot of people, but think of the children in africa!
No where has Blizzard stated that you can't use the function keys.
And like any game, changing key bindings will more than likely be in game. If it's not, that would be quite the shock.
its like informertial? reklame? (im sry dont know the word in english:( ) so if liek a frend of mine played a pirated version of d3 and told me that it was great.. id probably like to try d3, im not saying that i would buy it or anything, but if then i tried it and got a wow.. ive told my friends and the chain continious. eventually alot of them would have bought the game out off addiction or wanting to play online wich probably is a way better experience:coffee:
im not saying piracy is a good thing, it makes life hard for alot of people, but think of the children in africa!
No thanks, we don't support piracy here.
isak viking
01-09-2009, 20:33
No thanks, we don't support piracy here.
its not about that, the thing is that they dont care. just the smaller companies
WizardFan
01-09-2009, 20:40
Isak, no one here likes piracy.
Besides, when you buy an original copy, you're supporting blizzard and their other games and projects. And as far as I am concerned, blizzard can more than have my money because most of their games are great, and I've been playing diablo ever since it Diablo 1 came out.
isak viking
01-09-2009, 20:45
Isak, no one here likes piracy.
Besides, when you buy an original copy, you're supporting blizzard and their other games and projects. And as far as I am concerned, blizzard can more than have my money because most of their games are great, and I've been playing diablo ever since it Diablo 1 came out.
played diablo and diablo 2 since release. im also going to buy diablo 3, no doubt. im not saying that piracy is a good thing. it is illegal, but if someone gave you a free hamburger just to be nice, wouldnt you eat it ?:jig:
Moonfrost
01-09-2009, 20:49
im not saying that piracy is a good thing. it is illegal, but if someone gave you a free hamburger just to be nice, wouldnt you eat it ?:jig:
That's a very.... interesting analogy.
WizardFan
01-09-2009, 20:51
played diablo and diablo 2 since release. im also going to buy diablo 3, no doubt. im not saying that piracy is a good thing. it is illegal, but if someone gave you a free hamburger just to be nice, wouldnt you eat it ?:jig:
Piracy is illegal. A free hamburger is not. And to answer your question, no I wouldn't eat a free hamburger :P
Piracy is not illegal in Canada... well actually it's worded differently.
It's not illegal to download copy righted materials. However, it is illegal to make copy righted materials available to download.
I own one copy of Diablo, two of Diablo 2 and will own two of Diablo 3.
Oh please, you want to keep the stat system? It was horrible, completely horrible. Worthless trash..
For beginners, it just made them screw up their characters. "I'm a sorc, I'll go pure energy!"
For others, it can be very annoying like "If I use my stat points in strength I'd be able to use this item, but if I just wait 50 levels until I get torch and anni I can save those stat points for later" giving you a choice of either 50 levels of misery, or having screwed your character for short-term gain.
The stat system was hardly customization at all. There was mainly one way to go for basically everyone.
Thank god they removed custom stats, thank god
BigKevSexyMan
01-09-2009, 21:22
Some guy once gave me a free hamburger.......
When I woke up, I was missing a kidney and my sphincter hurt for some reason.....
Anyways..... :ashamed:
Quit being such a baby, and just play the open beta whenever it happens.
WizardFan
01-09-2009, 22:05
Oh please, you want to keep the stat system? It was horrible, completely horrible. Worthless trash..
For beginners, it just made them screw up their characters. "I'm a sorc, I'll go pure energy!"
For others, it can be very annoying like "If I use my stat points in strength I'd be able to use this item, but if I just wait 50 levels until I get torch and anni I can save those stat points for later" giving you a choice of either 50 levels of misery, or having screwed your character for short-term gain.
The stat system was hardly customization at all. There was mainly one way to go for basically everyone.
Thank god they removed custom stats, thank god
It's true, beginners would mess up their chars. But then again that's what DII was all about. Trial and error. Every new char would be better and better, and you'd have more and more experience.
But you're right about one thing - planning every single piece of your gear beforehand just so you can put just as many points in str to wear the equipment you want, enough dex for max blocking, and the rest in vitality, was a major pain in the butt.
I also welcome the removal of custom stats and the introduction of auto-increasing stats with open hands. At least that way I won't have to worry if I'll be missing out on an extra 40 HP or not, or whatever. Especially in HC you really want all the HP you can get, especially as a sorceress.
Runestar
01-09-2009, 23:02
I don't mind the loss of the F-keys (I actually found it cumbersome to have to switch skills to use), but hope I will be able to directly bind skills to keys. Say magic missile to "a" or "1", so my wiz automatically casts said spell when I hit the "a" key.
Thank god they removed custom stats, thank god
More like: if everyone is going to end up with the same stats, why even bother?
piracy is a good thing for major game creators:) but ruins for the smaller ones :thumbup:
Please get out of these forums. You obviously have no regard for the time and effort the creators of D3 are putting into their game.
Madmaxio
02-09-2009, 06:46
When D3 gets realesed I will definatley play a pirate version of the game before buying it, for the simple reason that the developers are chopping away at the foundation of what diablo is by removing stats(WTF) didnt that make a character unique, and then they remove the F-keys (SERIOUS WTF).
I just saw the Wizard have 30 skills, now either she has 20 odd passive skills and only 8 active, which I hope is not the case and doubt it after seeing the gameplay videos. The developers say "Well you have only 6 button to use" I say the hells with that, if I want to use most of my active skills that should be doable considering playstyle is individual, now they force you into useing a system the lead developers sees fit.
So If I'm in a fight and need a skill not assigned I have to stop and re assign, thats going to get me killed and its tedious. I feel that the choice needs to be there, the only thing diablo about D3 is the Blizzard Logo, everything else has been changed and I fear they might alienate core fans of the diablo franchise.
Dude, seriously, do u really think that the game released in 21 century, from one of the top game developers, WILL NOT HAVE OPTION TO BIND HOTKEYS? Btw Jay already confirmed somewhere that u can bind hotkeys ^_^ So u can bind on f d s d tab ctrl or whatever xD
stillman
02-09-2009, 07:26
Doesn't the first gameplay video brag about being able to use your skills quickly and easily? You will have way more options than in d2. Plus since they want us to use more skills in general, they certainly would not make it a hassle to do so.
If the "core fans" refuse to buy the game just because they can't be arsed to rebind the default keys, I think it's safe to say they're not "core fans" by any stretch of the imagination. D2 has been played for years now, your used to the gameplay,why change it. And its not only that nothing feels like diablo, I applaud the new systems and direction but fear they might go too far.
Dude, seriously, do u really think that the game released in 21 century, from one of the top game developers, WILL NOT HAVE OPTION TO BIND HOTKEYS? Btw Jay already confirmed somewhere that u can bind hotkeys ^_^ So u can bind on f d s d tab ctrl or whatever xD dude. Then Jay should start realeasing some info that doesnt change, I read a thread that either Rob Prado or details by Bashiok was quoted that the f key have been removed. You have only those in the ui. i want to believe you but take a look at the WWI in 2008 video of the barb,nothing shown then is the same now. I think a one level demo with the barb would put scheptics at ease,but knowing blizzard there is no chance.
Please get out of these forums. You obviously have no regard for the time and effort the creators of D3 are putting into their game. Sounding all superior, the main reason people even bother making a fuss and giving feedback is because they care and dont want to see a game with this legacy ruined. And dont tell me you have never playd a pirate game, paying for a game you are not sure about is stupid. I will propably by d3 too but I dont have the same confidence that I had when the first gameplay video was released
And dont tell me you have never playd a pirate game, paying for a game you are not sure about is stupid
Your justifying stealing by saying its ok, i will buy it if its good. The percentage of people who pirate games successfully to test them and then buy the real version is zero. Why? Because they already stole it why would they pay for it?
And no i don't play pirated games. I play DEMO's to assess if a game is good, not steal the game. Ever heard of a DEMO? Maybe you should do something moral and play one of those instead of stealing.
WizardFan
02-09-2009, 13:17
I agree with Autii to an extent, even though Autti is quite ferocious about his/her stance :)
Also autti, I have to say that people sometimes buy pirated games because they do not have acces to original copies. Take me for example - I am against piracy. However, sometimes I found myself getting a pirated game because the original copy could not be bought in any store.
I remember trying to get an original copy of FFVII. It was impossible, except over the internet, but I didn't have a credit card to pay with, and my parents didn't wanna order one because they are always suspicious about giving their card info on the internet (and I don't blame them either).
I am proud to say that after many years I managed to get my copy through some guy I barely found. I really wanted to play the game so I had to play a pirated copy until I got the original.
Also I know I could have asked someone else (like mom's friend or whatever) to order one for me, but I didn't want someone to risk their credit card info because of me, since I do believe that my parents have a point about being careful with your credit card info on the internet.
I agree with Autii to an extent, even though Autti is quite ferocious about his/her stance :)
Haha sorry for my ferocity, i really dislike pirating though. It's half the reason that publishers are turning to consoles more than PC games because they don't have to deal with the issue as much. To often is it now that games are released on Xbox and PS3 first and then released on PC to stop the spread of piracy for their console release.
Your example is valid, but it is an exception to the general trend. Hopefully internet security can develop further and facilitate all games being purchased online. I see no need to take a trip to a store for it, other than implementing anti-piracy measures on a disk is currently easier than a download
sunkenfaith
02-09-2009, 13:26
Frankly, i think piracy hurts the game companies whose games are exclusively single player. Why spend $40 on a single player game when you can spend $8 (?) for the exact same one?
However with multiplayer games like WoW, D2, D3 etc; most people will purchase the original just to play on B.net.
Thank god they are removing LAN support from SC2; otherwise companies like Garena will start to cash in again.
WizardFan
02-09-2009, 13:41
Haha sorry for my ferocity, i really dislike pirating though. It's half the reason that publishers are turning to consoles more than PC games because they don't have to deal with the issue as much. To often is it now that games are released on Xbox and PS3 first and then released on PC to stop the spread of piracy for their console release.
Your example is valid, but it is an exception to the general trend. Hopefully internet security can develop further and facilitate all games being purchased online. I see no need to take a trip to a store for it, other than implementing anti-piracy measures on a disk is currently easier than a download
Lol that's ok I don't like piracy either, I always like to make sure I get an original copy, and especially blizzard can have my money any time :)
oscarolim
02-09-2009, 15:01
Your justifying stealing by saying its ok, i will buy it if its good. The percentage of people who pirate games successfully to test them and then buy the real version is zero. Why? Because they already stole it why would they pay for it?
And no i don't play pirated games. I play DEMO's to assess if a game is good, not steal the game. Ever heard of a DEMO? Maybe you should do something moral and play one of those instead of stealing.
Well is not 0, as I started playing C&C3 before the original had arrived at my home. So, at least one person boughts the game after has downloaded for a few days.
But more sad, is to have to pirate a game to be able to play the original (I had to crack Colin McRae Dirt on Vista (both original!!!) because it would not detect the dvd - damn starforce).
And about the console excuse... well, is hard to pirate for the ps3 (for now at least), but the xbox? Really? It is as easy as on the PC. Actually, if companies would listen to users, maybe they would sell more. After Colin Dirt, I never had (and never will) buy another game with crappy protection systems that just bring your computer to a crawl.
lone_wolf
02-09-2009, 18:15
It's true, beginners would mess up their chars. But then again that's what DII was all about. Trial and error. Every new char would be better and better, and you'd have more and more experience.
But you're right about one thing - planning every single piece of your gear beforehand just so you can put just as many points in str to wear the equipment you want, enough dex for max blocking, and the rest in vitality, was a major pain in the butt.
I also welcome the removal of custom stats and the introduction of auto-increasing stats with open hands. At least that way I won't have to worry if I'll be missing out on an extra 40 HP or not, or whatever. Especially in HC you really want all the HP you can get, especially as a sorceress.
Really never considered the fact that there are people out there who dont play just the cookiecutter follow the lead sheep builds?
i be fine with a zon with base life and over 300 dex thank you very much or a druid with base life and over 250 in str. You might like a system where you dont even have to use your brain some of us take offence with being though off as little kids with no brain who cant learn for the life of them. As for hc good luck what will you do if the devs decide not to make the autstats differ betwwen sc and hc?
you enjoy having the same amount of life as those playing sc?
I dont know how you play hc but i for one focus a "bit" more about survival when playing hc then when i play sc. With autostats its impossible to invest more in life then in sc unless they keep the autostats function seperete betwwen hc and sc.
Didnt think about that possibility did you?
but then again why think at all when playing games its so frustrating to use your knowledge about the game to plan your character after all(sarcasm).
korialstraz
02-09-2009, 18:55
Didnt think about that possibility did you?
What if by removing stat distribution will enable them to focus more on balancing the game and items. Maybe then you can modify your stats based on the mods on your items. So you could go for a gear route that focus more on survivability instead of DPS. Basically the same thing, but more userfriendly for new players.
a black kid
02-09-2009, 21:34
dude. I read a thread that either Rob Prado or details by Bashiok was quoted that the f key have been removed. You have only those in the ui.
honestly, the F keys were one of the worst set of keys to use for hotkeys... they are changing them to the actual number keys. just saying that the function keys will not be used for hotkeying skills, for all we know, could mean you can change any number of key bindings on your keyboard for ease of use, but that they could be reserving the function keys for other things, like the F9-F12 were used in d2.
Starving_Poet
02-09-2009, 22:13
Actually releasing on consoles has very little to do with piracy - as it takes less time and effort to hack the actual console - next gen are even easier than it used to be - no more need to solder - than it often does to crack the encryption on a single PC game.
No, they release on consoles first because they only need to program to a known system spec. One of the greatest game killers is system incompatibility - it takes so much time and money to tweak and test a finished product across as many systems as possible, that they like to be able to be generating income during the process.
This fact alone almost killed NWN2 - the only reason it survived is because of the loyal BioWare fan base.
Actually releasing on consoles has very little to do with piracy
No, they release on consoles first because they only need to program to a known system spec
This fact alone almost killed NWN2 - the only reason it survived is because of the loyal BioWare fan base.
They’ll apparently be releasing Mass Effect 2 on PC in-line with the console version, but it’s also been widely speculated that they'll push back the PC version of Dragon Age to meet the console release date and minimise piracy.
“They always say the delays are for adding extra PC content” said one industry-insider we spoke to from a major PC hardware company, “but in reality though the delays are about piracy. Always; piracy.”
Quote from a BioWare employee.
oscarolim
03-09-2009, 10:02
What about all the games that came out first on the pc and then were ported to consoles? RA3 por example? No piracy there? Immune maybe?
Piracy exists on every platform, always had, always will. It's something inevitable. The trick is to do like diablo for example. You want to play online, you need to buy the game. Or use the steam platform to release the games. Or you know, make good games worth playing. Diablo is old, and the gamer community around it is bigger than most new games. Why? Because a game is not about graphics, is about fun and gameplay.
honestly, the F keys were one of the worst set of keys to use for hotkeys... they are changing them to the actual number keys. just saying that the function keys will not be used for hotkeying skills, for all we know, could mean you can change any number of key bindings on your keyboard for ease of use, but that they could be reserving the function keys for other things, like the F9-F12 were used in d2. I have to correct myself, I googled "did they remove f-keys in diablo 3" the second find was a blizzcon 09 interview with jay, there he said it was removed. Now after reading the interview that was the impression I was left with, and in the first gameplay video the guy said "so easy you can play with just the mouse". I pray im wrong but taking into acount what info is available that is how it sounds.
I don't mind the loss of the F-keys (I actually found it cumbersome to have to switch skills to use), but hope I will be able to directly bind skills to keys. Say magic missile to "a" or "1", so my wiz automatically casts said spell when I hit the "a" key.
More like: if everyone is going to end up with the same stats, why even bother?
At first I thought you meant MMO style which I certainly dont want but I assume you mean you cast the MM whereever your mouse pointer is using keys instead of the mouse button?
Haruyama
03-09-2009, 13:22
About Stats System: I think it kills the "freedom" of making every character unique in a way and for sure it cuts the possibility of making more different builds using a same class. Beginners or not, we all learn from mistakes, making the game it self more interesting and not like a linear gameplay where you end up getting bored having nothing else to do. Experiencing new builds its always a way to make the gameplay more interesting.
About Piracy: Like many of ppl in here, Diablo I was a big hit for me to make me a big fan of Blizzard, but before i knew about the company, i have been a Blizzard's fan way more longer than i though, good and old Blackthorne on my snes console days. Since then i have bought all the originals, eventho i had no way to play it online, since i lived til my 18's with my parents and they live on a country side, there's no cable nets but dialups and it really... yeah you know. I felt a little bit left out but i was happy playing it single/LAN with friends. Now with WoW, i had no such chance to play it. I do try my best try and get me the originals and play it, but now more and more games have no LAN/SP support, i wont complain about the payment, cus i dont blame then, but just to let you know that in other countries, its not really that cheap. Of course, i totally understand, its always the majority that matters to keep the company running. But for the minority ppl that have been always supporting Blizzard are getting left out. No complaints either from me. I just want ppl to understand that depending on where do you live, there's different obstacles, for some it seems cheap/easy to get/support a game, but for others no matter how hard you try to keep it legit/original and try to support your fav games you just can't get it.
I played a pirated version of WoW, not online, but in a LAN with my friends, cus it was the only way to play and try it and no, i didn't buy the game, it could be different if they still had single/lan play, i would keep making my collection of Blizzard's games.
But i know no matter how much you try to explain it, the answer for the ppl that are totally against it in all reasons, will be: just dont play it, you can't.
I still hope there's more open minded ppl here in there that will understand.
Also console games doesnt make piracy any different from pc. Wii/PS3/PSP all are unlockable and easy as charm, and now, they allow to download games from internet, how funny, now i dont see the reason to make that wall from console and pc, since both are more likely blending into one.
(Sorry for any spelling mistakes.)
WizardFan
03-09-2009, 13:50
Really never considered the fact that there are people out there who dont play just the cookiecutter follow the lead sheep builds?
I am one of those people that stick out from the therd, so to speak. I never played a cookie cutter sorc, and I made literally hundreds of sorceresses.
i be fine with a zon with base life and over 300 dex thank you very much or a druid with base life and over 250 in str. You might like a system where you dont even have to use your brain some of us take offence with being though off as little kids with no brain who cant learn for the life of them. As for hc good luck what will you do if the devs decide not to make the autstats differ betwwen sc and hc?
My, my, aren't we in a bad mood. You think that just because 1 aspect of the game (stat distribution) was removed from said game, you don't have to use your brain anymore? You'll be surprised when you're proven wrong once the game comes out.
As far as HC and SC goes, I'll say only this - you seem to assume that the entire difference between survival and death in HC goes back to the problem of stat distribution, namely the difference between putting more or less points in vitality. This is not true.
Your HC char will not just survive because of high HP, but also because of the tactics you use, the skills you have chosen, your ability to recognize which fights you can win and which you can't, your gear setup, etc. I'm not saying HP is not important, but there are many other things that will determine if your HC char will live or not.
Also, neither you, nor me can know what DIII has in store for us. When it comes to customization, there will probably be lots of things we'll be able to do in order to incrase our chars' HP. Runes, sockets, gear setups, set bonuses, quest rewards, oskills, your own skill, etc. Plus, the monsters in DIII will not be the same as those in DII, so things will change from this perspective too.
The thing is, you don't know enough about DIII (no one does) to say that HC will be a problem just because stat distribution won't exist anymore.
you enjoy having the same amount of life as those playing sc?
I dont know how you play hc but i for one focus a "bit" more about survival when playing hc then when i play sc. With autostats its impossible to invest more in life then in sc unless they keep the autostats function seperete betwwen hc and sc.
Didnt think about that possibility did you?
Most of my SC sorceresses had the same amount of HP as my HC sorc would. If I play SC, I play it the same way I play HC. Call me weird but it's what I do.
but then again why think at all when playing games its so frustrating to use your knowledge about the game to plan your character after all(sarcasm).
Again, you can't really say that DIII will not require brains to play just because stat distribution was removed. You kinda make it sound like stat distribution was the hardest thing in the game to do, and like everything depended on it.
Galtrovan
03-09-2009, 14:29
Most of my SC sorceresses had the same amount of HP as my HC sorc would. If I play SC, I play it the same way I play HC. Call me weird but it's what I do.
You are not weird. I always play SC as if I'm in HC. The only reason I don't play HC is because 99.9% of the time I get killed, which is almost never, it's due to a lag spike. My level 92 Sorc in SC has died once. I had just engaged a pack of 5 Death Lords @ Baal's throne in Hell right before a Lag Spike. Threw 3 Orbs and Teleported to a new position. But of course, the Teleport never happened. Teleported again which failed and confirmed the Lag. Saved and exited. Next game I was dead. BS. From my perspective, I was never hit and my Merc had 30% Life when I first teleported. The battle should have been easily won.
Starving_Poet
03-09-2009, 14:34
Quote from a BioWare employee.
There's what they want people to hear and then there's what your accounting department tells you.
There's three reasons console ports get released first.
#1 - They want you to buy the console!
“On a global scale the Windows Vista business is as important as our Xbox 360 business,” he said, when questioned about why we don’t see simultaneous PC and Xbox 360 releases of games. “But in Germany for example, we want more gamers to buy our Xbox 360. If we launch a game that is on 360 and PC simultaneously, we basically shoot ourselves in the foot by allowing the German market to choose to play the PC version – because they are more likely to buy that than spend their money on the Xbox 360.”
#2 - They want you to buy the console you don't have:
Here's a common discussion when developing a game: "Listen, Sony is going to pay us $100,000 if they get priority release; Microsoft will give us $75,000 if they get first bids. There is no PC lobby, so we go where the money is. Get it working on the PS3 first, bring in some money after 5 years of development losses, then port it to more systems."
#3 - Which is really an extension of #2 - marketing marketing marketing - marketing for PC only distributions is slim to none. One can probably count the number of PC only game releases you've seen ads for on TV on one hand.
If a root cause could be named, it may be that double-edged sword that is the PC's greatest strength and largest weakness; by having no overarching company on it's lookout, the PC is a haven for originality and innovation, but at the same time, there's no one to line the pockets of the developers and make sure they do a good job.
It used to be the case that the PC versions of games were trumpeted as graphically superior, capable of doing more with the game because they've got more under the bonnet. Now, developers have to champion the console versions, for fear of upsetting the larger markets, and those who own them.
This is software development.
Here's more quotes about Biowares Dragon Age - and not once when listening to Activision Vivendi conference calls has piracy been brought up as what determines release staggering - it is always marketing stategies.
We suspect that Dragon Age is awfully close to complete, given that it was supposed to ship on the PC earlier this year before it got delayed. The delay, though, was so that EA and BioWare could synchronize the release of the PC with the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 games, which were due later in the year. A staggered release would have meant splitting the marketing effort.
WizardFan
03-09-2009, 14:45
You are not weird. I always play SC as if I'm in HC. The only reason I don't play HC is because 99.9% of the time I get killed, which is almost never, it's due to a lag spike. My level 92 Sorc in SC has died once. I had just engaged a pack of 5 Death Lords @ Baal's throne in Hell right before a Lag Spike. Threw 3 Orbs and Teleported to a new position. But of course, the Teleport never happened. Teleported again which failed and confirmed the Lag. Saved and exited. Next game I was dead. BS. From my perspective, I was never hit and my Merc had 30% Life when I first teleported. The battle should have been easily won.
Yeah that's the only thing that bothers me in HC. I can't remember the last time I died with my sorc, that was not a result of lag. I made a hudred sorcersses, cleared the game like a hundred times. Can't remeber the last I died. I know the game, as well as the sorc class inside out, and I know my enemies.
I died several times, but all of those were due to lag. Lag is the only reason why I sometimes shy away from HC and choose to play SC instead. However, HC is still the ultimate in my eyes, even though you gotta fight the worst enemy of all - lag.
I find HC exciting and I like it a lot, regardless of lag. But I agree with you, some char deaths are just BS.
Hah.. funny OP, made me laugh :D
Poor bugger..
SlechtWeerBeer
03-09-2009, 15:57
you enjoy having the same amount of life as those playing sc?
I dont know how you play hc but i for one focus a "bit" more about survival when playing hc then when i play sc. With autostats its impossible to invest more in life then in sc unless they keep the autostats function seperete betwwen hc and sc.
This merely makes HC more challenging, no?
Tell me how making a challenge harder is bad. It's called a challenge for a reason.
Moonfrost
03-09-2009, 16:50
The thing is, you don't know enough about DIII (no one does) to say that HC will be a problem just because stat distribution won't exist anymore.
Lone_wolf's posts usually compare certain D3 features with how adding/removing those features would change D2 gameplay, even though it's completely irrelevant because D3 is not D2.
Starving_Poet
03-09-2009, 16:57
I wouldn't call it irrelevant - I'd say it's a fair use until we have something better to work off of.
All we know is Blizzard's existing body of work. Yes, they can completely break the mold, but if we focus on that, then ALL these discussions become irrelevant.
Elric-Logain
03-09-2009, 20:18
Really never considered the fact that there are people out there who dont play just the cookiecutter follow the lead sheep builds?
i be fine with a zon with base life and over 300 dex thank you very much or a druid with base life and over 250 in str. You might like a system where you dont even have to use your brain some of us take offence with being though off as little kids with no brain who cant learn for the life of them. As for hc good luck what will you do if the devs decide not to make the autstats differ betwwen sc and hc?
you enjoy having the same amount of life as those playing sc?
I dont know how you play hc but i for one focus a "bit" more about survival when playing hc then when i play sc. With autostats its impossible to invest more in life then in sc unless they keep the autostats function seperete betwwen hc and sc.
Didnt think about that possibility did you?
but then again why think at all when playing games its so frustrating to use your knowledge about the game to plan your character after all(sarcasm).So you're saying that the removal of stat allocations could make hardcore more challenging in D3? Sounds awful. No hardcore fan would possibly like that.
I have to correct myself, I googled "did they remove f-keys in diablo 3" the second find was a blizzcon 09 interview with jay, there he said it was removed. Now after reading the interview that was the impression I was left with, and in the first gameplay video the guy said "so easy you can play with just the mouse". I pray im wrong but taking into acount what info is available that is how it sounds.You can play with the mouse, but also the key bindings. Most videos have revealed an action bar with about 4-5 of your skills. Then on your mouse, you would have maybe your default attack and another skill bound, but then you could Tab-change a skill on your mouse. This means that you have roughly 3 attacks that you can quickly use on your mouse and about 4-5 easily accessible key-bound skills available that can serve more utilitarian situations.
lone_wolf
03-09-2009, 21:33
I am one of those people that stick out from the therd, so to speak. I never played a cookie cutter sorc, and I made literally hundreds of sorceresses.
good for you i have played all character classes over a hundred times i have no reason to play an make a new character again unless i make a oddball build with unusual weapons or try to make builds work with skills not usually taken.
My, my, aren't we in a bad mood. You think that just because 1 aspect of the game (stat distribution) was removed from said game, you don't have to use your brain anymore? You'll be surprised when you're proven wrong once the game comes out.
Yeah right if there is one thing i seen in new games is that they keep making them easier unless we talk about games that try to come near realism. For the record i can give a 10 old a quick intro to the gear and all modifiers in diablo 2 and 3 when it comes out and they would be able to plan what gear to use in no time. Gear choice is not hard and its certainly not something that takes even a slight amount of brainpower. The runesystem i have already used something simular in various games before its not rocket science all you need to do is find the possible variables and then find the ones that gives you the best benifit at the time. Its that simple.
As far as HC and SC goes, I'll say only this - you seem to assume that the entire difference between survival and death in HC goes back to the problem of stat distribution, namely the difference between putting more or less points in vitality. This is not true.
Your HC char will not just survive because of high HP, but also because of the tactics you use, the skills you have chosen, your ability to recognize which fights you can win and which you can't, your gear setup, etc. I'm not saying HP is not important, but there are many other things that will determine if your HC char will live or not.
No but im sure as hell wont have a need for a ranged character to have the same amount of life as a melee character be it hc or sc. More vitality has nothing to do with skill or tactics but all to do with the subpar latency and high ping that results in dangerous lagspikes on bnet. A higher amount of health can be the difference betwwen life or death in such situations.
Also, neither you, nor me can know what DIII has in store for us. When it comes to customization, there will probably be lots of things we'll be able to do in order to incrase our chars' HP. Runes, sockets, gear setups, set bonuses, quest rewards, oskills, your own skill, etc. Plus, the monsters in DIII will not be the same as those in DII, so things will change from this perspective too.
The thing is, you don't know enough about DIII (no one does) to say that HC will be a problem just because stat distribution won't exist anymore.
Nope i dont but you fail to realize that it can also have a negative impact on both hc and sc. Im to old to see the world through rose tinted glasses.
Those autostats could also mean that you must equip hp gear on your characters in hc or you will have way to little life to survive in hell. Where is your choice as a player if that happens?
This goes both ways of course. What need does a sc player have of over 2k in life if they can kill fast and have enough life with just 800 life?
its a total waste of life. Using manual stats you never have this problem and can focus on improving your character instead of having things go to waste.
Most of my SC sorceresses had the same amount of HP as my HC sorc would. If I play SC, I play it the same way I play HC. Call me weird but it's what I do.
And if blizzard decide to have seperate autostats layouts for HC and sc you have no choice in the matter. I also play both my hc and my sc characters the same way. Many players do that im just one of those players who actually want control over my characters. I seen how "well" autostats and autoskill layouts have worked in other games also done by game companies that have sold millions of copies. Guess what it didnt make their asine autolevel system any better.
Again, you can't really say that DIII will not require brains to play just because stat distribution was removed. You kinda make it sound like stat distribution was the hardest thing in the game to do, and like everything depended on it.
No but it was the only way i could find something new to do after having played over a hundred versions of all characters classes since 1.00.
Have a good read
WizardFan
03-09-2009, 21:38
I wouldn't call it irrelevant - I'd say it's a fair use until we have something better to work off of.
All we know is Blizzard's existing body of work. Yes, they can completely break the mold, but if we focus on that, then ALL these discussions become irrelevant.
That's exactly what was saying - we just don't know enough about DIII to make a proper assessment.
Lone_wolf's posts usually compare certain D3 features with how adding/removing those features would change D2 gameplay, even though it's completely irrelevant because D3 is not D2.
Well don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to belittle lone wolf, just explaining that you can't base the claim that HC will be impossible to play, simply on the fact that stat distribution won't exist in DIII.
The way I see it, all classes in DIII so far have some kind of invulnerability skills that make them almost unkillable. Inner sanctuary for monk, a host of defensive skills for the barb, slow time and temporal armor for the wizard, and I can't remember what the WD has, but I believe he also has something similar. But in the end, all classes seem to have similar skills in this regard.
So in the end, clever use of such skills could even make HC easier rather than harder if a player encounters a particularly dangerous situation. I'm not saying DIII HC *will* be harder or easier, just that it could go any way. But I believe all real HC fans want a really hard game in that regard because that's where the challenge of HC lies.
Have a good read
I read it all, but like I said, you don't know enough about DIII to make all those assumptions. It doesn't mean things will be harder or easier, and it doesn't mean you won't have as many options.
Your arguments don't make much sense because of this reason alone. I won't be picking your arguments apart for 2 reasons: I'm sleepy and it's late, and I can't be bothered right now :P I'll say this though, you really don't have a case here, not with your arguments. Sorry, but you're just rambling here like the loss of manual stats is a tragedy and like it leaves you zero choice, which is something you can't know because we have too little info on DIII to know this.
Runestar
03-09-2009, 22:40
That's exactly what was saying - we just don't know enough about DIII to make a proper assessment.
That is possibly about the most unproductive statement I have ever seen. Surely you can do better than simply dismiss someone's efforts with "Oh, you are wrong because the game isn't out yet".
In that vein, why should anyone even bother posting in the D3 forum, since by definition, everything would just be subject to the same reply "we just don't know enough about DIII to make a proper assessment."
Elric-Logain
03-09-2009, 22:54
And if blizzard decide to have seperate autostats layouts for HC and sc you have no choice in the matter. I also play both my hc and my sc characters the same way. Many players do that im just one of those players who actually want control over my characters. I seen how "well" autostats and autoskill layouts have worked in other games also done by game companies that have sold millions of copies. Guess what it didnt make their asine autolevel system any better.
Have a good readMany of the passive skill boosts essentially have the same effect as stat allocations. Want more life for your hc characters? Invest in the passives that give bonuses to hit points and regeneration. Want more defense for your hc characters? Invest in the passives that boost defense. What exactly are your grievances again? :coffee:
lone_wolf
03-09-2009, 23:32
well lets see
5*99=495
1*99=99+ skill quest in diablo 2 resulting in a total of 110 skill points
with the stats i can customize much more since i have more to play with and i can use equipment to further customize my character.
if diablo 3 is close to that, what gives more customization has no contender.
that is my grievance and the fact that im not a little child who cant play with a more complex system then a autostat system which is a easy way out for the dev team.
That Elric-Logain is what irks me.
Wizardfan if you are going to use such pointless tactics in a debate what are you doing on this site in the first place?
Seriously by using your view i can invalidate every single post made on this site, on the official forums and even by bashiok since no single person knows enough about diablo 3 to have an opinion by your viewpoint. Not even the members of the dev team probebly know every single aspect of diablo 3 now and in the future.
The world does not consist of +6 billion people who all think the same. You are on a internet forum about a game many people feel great passion for. As such you will without doubt find other members that do not agree with your viewpoint.
That is the beauty of it. you get new views and new interpretations of what is said and shown by the dev team there is however nothing that say that your view or mine is correct.
However by painting with such a broad brush and generalise so much as you did you must understand that your argument not only made my arguments null and void but also your own.
An debate no matter how heated it can get wont survive long in such a enviroment becasue nobody gains anything out from it.
Elric-Logain
04-09-2009, 00:44
well lets see
5*99=495
1*99=99+ skill quest in diablo 2 resulting in a total of 110 skill pointsThat is somewhat of a superficial analysis. Having more options for customization does not mean that you have better or more effective means of customization. What did the stats do for your characters that the passives cannot? So you will have to use some of your (presumed) 99/110 skill points, but the system also has a lower skill cap (even with rumors of raising the skill cap).
with the stats i can customize much more since i have more to play with and i can use equipment to further customize my character.
if diablo 3 is close to that, what gives more customization has no contender.With the passives you can possibly customize your character more than with what was possible with stats, and you still will be able to further customize your character through items and equipment. If you want to customize your stat for different builds, you still can do it, but it will be done through the equipment itself. Will this really change your ability to create hundreds of different builds with characters? You can still create the Str Wizard if you have the equipment to do so. The net-effect of customization is roughly the same, but the emphasis on where the options occur has changed. So while you may have more toys to play with in D2, I will have better toys all-around in D3.
that is my grievance and the fact that im not a little child who cant play with a more complex system then a autostat system which is a easy way out for the dev team.
That Elric-Logain is what irks me.They are not (completely) doing it because they somehow think that you are a child or an idiot. The autostat system provides the developers with a baseline for designing equipment, monsters, and encounters. But you are also making the grievous assumption that having a more complex system somehow makes it better and less childlike. It appears that the D3 designers are making a more efficient and simplified system capable of doing more (a common goal, mind you, of most technological advancements).
WizardFan
04-09-2009, 10:01
Wizardfan if you are going to use such pointless tactics in a debate what are you doing on this site in the first place?
Seriously by using your view i can invalidate every single post made on this site, on the official forums and even by bashiok since no single person knows enough about diablo 3 to have an opinion by your viewpoint. Not even the members of the dev team probebly know every single aspect of diablo 3 now and in the future.
True, but the devs still know more than us, and besides, blizzard may just change some things radically in DIII. It wouldn't be the first time they did major changes in any game.
You may be able to invalidate every single post with my argument, but my case still stands - you're rambling about how auto stats will destroy the game, and you can't possibly know that it will. You oppose every single poster who disagrees with you. I have several people agreeing with me and you have no one that agrees with you.
You think that the game will be for kids just because manual stat distribution was removed, and that you won't need to use your brain anymore to play the game. Just because one thing has changed. This is ridiculous. A single change can't ruin the game as much as you make it look. And besides, blizzard has promised to make up for it, so give them a chance.
Like I said, you don't really have a case - customization can happen in a million diferent ways: gear, sockets, runes, quest rewards, items, permanent stat increasing items (such as potions ans scrolls), set bonuses, passives, skill combinations, oskills etc. There are so many things, I can't believe you ramble on that much about one single change, like customization will be impossible in DIII.
And the devs have already promised players to give them a huge amount of space when it comes to customization (there's an official blizzard quote on this, can't find it now).
Edit: I'm a fan of manual stats myself, and honestly, I feel sad that they removed it. But I'm still giving them a chance, you should too.
lone_wolf
04-09-2009, 10:06
That is somewhat of a superficial analysis. Having more options for customization does not mean that you have better or more effective means of customization. What did the stats do for your characters that the passives cannot? So you will have to use some of your (presumed) 99/110 skill points, but the system also has a lower skill cap (even with rumors of raising the skill cap).
I sure hope they raise that cap above 5 becasue if they dont you can easily max out next to all skills that we know of to date. If that would be the case there is next to no reason to ever build another character of that same class again since you already have tested next to all skills.
With the passives you can possibly customize your character more than with what was possible with stats, and you still will be able to further customize your character through items and equipment. If you want to customize your stat for different builds, you still can do it, but it will be done through the equipment itself. Will this really change your ability to create hundreds of different builds with characters? You can still create the Str Wizard if you have the equipment to do so. The net-effect of customization is roughly the same, but the emphasis on where the options occur has changed. So while you may have more toys to play with in D2, I will have better toys all-around in D3.
Lets see the wizard have Expand knowledge for more mana (12%) that is all i could find. That is indeed a awful lot of options from skills.
The barbarian have Invigorated that gives a strenght boost but only when you pick up a health globe and its 10% for 9 sec fantastic customization for 9 secs there. That is all i could find on the barbarian. The witch doctor has rituals that increase your spell power by 10% of your vitality so better stack up those vitaly boost gear that is in the game that is unless you want to be a weak witchdoctor....Even more so as the witch doctor has Jungle Fortitude Your Vitality is increased by 5% of your Strength, 5% of your Dexterity, and 5% of your Willpower. So how was it now only vitality boost gear or do we boost all stats to gain more vitality?
but wait a minute our stats are autostats so we will gain more and more in vitality thanks to this passive skill as we level now suddenly we have 2 skills any smart witchdoctor that wants as much power as possible need to have in all their builds and all that power from just 10 skill points in the current build.
I find the ways to customize characters through skills severly lacking but perhaps that is just me.
They are not (completely) doing it because they somehow think that you are a child or an idiot. The autostat system provides the developers with a baseline for designing equipment, monsters, and encounters. But you are also making the grievous assumption that having a more complex system somehow makes it better and less childlike. It appears that the D3 designers are making a more efficient and simplified system capable of doing more (a common goal, mind you, of most technological advancements).
Really what they have done is that they have made your gear even more important then in diablo 2. Unless they really make rares the best high end gear in the game we will end up with even more carboncopies with the exact gear like how it look in diablo 2 now. Heck it will be worst since the only reason anyone would use those high end gear that will most likely be BOE they must be much much better then the regular gear otherwise they have no function in the game. So unless you want to have a more challenging game or dont give a damn you will fall behind those that just follow the heard like sheeps.
Different viewpoints does make you see things differently
(this is a reply to the LONG post on page 4)I totally agree, the thing with big LAN partys are that no one is online,and not every one wants to play multiplayer online, they prefer it Lanning. For example they took LAN Out of starcraft2, starcraft became so big because it was played at LAN tournamets. Thats like neutering the game. I for one dont play online multiplayer,besides dota, but that should be the gamers' choice. I want to lan only so we lan, i want to take on david kim then i battle.net. Why seclude those when you can give both options. And for piracy, come on d2 sold millions of copies and is not so battle.net dependant as star/warcraft, and those discs didnt have DRM, you could just copy the disc. That says enough, if a game is worth it, it will sell.
starcraft became so big because it was played at LAN tournamets. Thats like neutering the game.
I fail to see how starcraft 2 wont be abled to be played at LAN tournaments? The only limiting factor is an internet connection, considering almost all LAN tournaments have one of those... don't see whats stopping it.
I for one dont play online multiplayer,besides dota, but that should be the gamers' choice. I want to lan only
What is the difference between playing with 4 people via LAN, and playing with the same 4 ppl at a LAN over battle.net?
And for piracy, come on d2 sold millions of copies and is not so battle.net dependant as star/warcraft, and those discs didnt have DRM, you could just copy the disc. That says enough, if a game is worth it, it will sell.Despite the fact you said you would pirate the game. If a game is worth it? I know your a thief but are you retarded as well? Why would people pay for it if they could easily steal it? If people can get it for free it won't sell, or at least it won't sell the thousands of copies thief's like you steal.
So you're saying that the removal of stat allocations could make hardcore more challenging in D3? Sounds awful. No hardcore fan would possibly like that. You can play with the mouse, but also the key bindings. Most videos have revealed an action bar with about 4-5 of your skills. Then on your mouse, you would have maybe your default attack and another skill bound, but then you could Tab-change a skill on your mouse. This means that you have roughly 3 attacks that you can quickly use on your mouse and about 4-5 easily accessible key-bound skills available that can serve more utilitarian situations. im well aware of that, and that brings me back to what i said before, if you are a class with lots of active skills those arnt enough,seems like they want players to use all of their skills if thats so then it wont suffice, 5 and 6 are used for scrolls or potions. I wish blizzard would clarify but with the given info thats what it sounds like,unless they are going to merchandise a diablo3 logitech G-keys pad.
Moonfrost
04-09-2009, 10:53
I wouldn't call it irrelevant - I'd say it's a fair use until we have something better to work off of.
It's irrelevant when you have something better to work off of but still don't take that into consideration. When making a comparison you shouldn't use D2 as the sole reference and ignore all the other relevant D3 features, simply because they may change the outcome of your comparison. If you do, you'll just end up with a bad, likely biased comparison and of what use are those?
In that vein, why should anyone even bother posting in the D3 forum, since by definition, everything would just be subject to the same reply "we just don't know enough about DIII to make a proper assessment."
Many of the people posting here are discussing the same handful of topics (respecs, auto stats, BoE etc) in almost every thread for that particular reason. Their discussions carry over from one thread to another because they just don't know enough about D3 to settle the argument, so everything comes down to their opinions and people can pointlessly argue about those until the cows come home.
Don't get me wrong, it's totally fine if people want to discuss things because that's exactly what the developers do when they want to add/remove features. But they should do so in an informed, unbiased manner, with to aim to understand rather than to push their own agendas. I visit this place in hopes of it having a higher standard than the official Blizzard forums, so obviously I'd much prefer to read posts of that nature.
I fail to see how starcraft 2 wont be abled to be played at LAN tournaments? The only limiting factor is an internet connection, considering almost all LAN tournaments have one of those... don't see whats stopping it. What is the difference between playing with 4 people via LAN, and playing with the same 4 ppl at a LAN over battle.net? Despite the fact you said you would pirate the game. If a game is worth it? I know your a thief but are you retarded as well? Why would people pay for it if they could easily steal it? If people can get it for free it won't sell, or at least it won't sell the thousands of copies thief's like you steal. ok, blizzard said they removed LAN support, not everyone is online all the time, the heart of the game is local lan playing and tournaments and now thats taken away, if where ever you are from has the bandwith to put everyone online at the same time then im happy for you but open you eyes because thats not the case globeally. And please quote me if you are going to comment on something your small mind cant conceive, i said i will play a pirate copy before buying it because im concerned the game wont be diablo anymore, it may not be the case, but im not willing to buy a game if it doesnt deliver. And yes there are people that do that because its nice having an original that you can update without trouble. Its a sense of wow great game, i want the original to support the studio,may just be me but ill mail you a pic with me and the original if it makes you sleep better. Kind regards the retard
i said i will play a pirate copy before buying it because im concerned the game wont be diablo anymore, it may not be the case, but im not willing to buy a game if it doesnt deliver.
As i said before that is what a demo is for. Just because you might not like the game doesn't give you the right to steal it.
lone_wolf
04-09-2009, 14:11
I fail to see how starcraft 2 wont be abled to be played at LAN tournaments? The only limiting factor is an internet connection, considering almost all LAN tournaments have one of those... don't see whats stopping it.
Good luck getting +200 people through 1 connection and then have them playing without massive amount of lag in a tournament. Not to mention the overhead from bnet and the distance to servers. Many lans are also played in loctions where internet access is limited at best or nonexistant.
Please show me a internet connection that handles 7,752 people at the same time we have the largest lan in the world at dreamhack in sweden we also have one of the highest connections speeds in the world at 40Gb per sec http://www.usatoday.com/tech/webguide/internetlife/2007-07-19-swedish-woman-fast-internet_N.htm
do you really think everyone has such a connection to the internet?
Hint: They dont
Did you know that the USA is about 15 years behind south korea when it comes to internet connections and speed?
Internet access and the speed of your connection is not the same the world over. If you look it up you will realise that access to internet is not so common in all countries in the world not even in the west countries.
I recognise that not every where in the world has internet connection, or good speeds at that. We have LAN's in Australia with 1000 people and maintain connection not to bad at all,
good luck getting +200 people through 1 connection the trick is to use more than one connection... maybe you guys haven't figured that out yet.
Case in point, Blizzard see it better the prevent piracy and hacking then to allow LAN gameplay. Which is fair enough because they will sell more copies this way.
lone_wolf
05-09-2009, 09:58
Prevent piracy eh excuse me:rolf: if anything it will give the hackers who like a challenge a new target that is flashing "come try and break our system" 24/7.
Autti is steam preventing hacking? no its not there are entire communities playing steam only games on faux steam servers. Give it enough time and we have people redirecting the packets from bnet 2.0 and reverse engine it to create their own servers that act as if they are the bnet 2.0 servers.
No DRM nor any mesures like what blizzard intend to use has ever stopped piracy most of the time it has increased it.
As for using more then one connection... you are aware of the little fact that this is not always possible do you?
Still even if we use more then one connection the bnet system will still add some overhead no matter how hard they try to lessen that impact. Distance is also a factor that you dont take into account, diablo 3 is not an mmo where you can actually play with +200 ping. Lagspikes can make this even worst and create even more trouble when the server and client are not synced aka the all to common black wall in diablo 2.
Even 1 sec delays casue alot of trouble when playing such a fast game as diablo 3. Monsters that you think you hit on your side(what the client show you)may not be there at all with a 1 sec delay(the server has the correct position of the monsters, the client does not all the time).
The thing is no matter how many connections i have to the bnet servers that people connect to the overhead of those servers and the distance to them will make them worse to play on then on lan.
CosmicallyDrifting
05-09-2009, 22:47
You can use the F-Keys. You can also set the hotkeys to anything you'd like, like in D2.
Stats are an old topic. You lost a long time ago, OP.
DivineSweety
06-09-2009, 01:31
its not about that, the thing is that they dont care. just the smaller companies
the fact that you dont care shows how litle you know !
Piracy effects all games and all companies :whistling:
and btw i know a lot of people share your thoughts and that makes me wounder , when did stealing become ok ?
As i said before that is what a demo is for. Just because you might not like the game doesn't give you the right to steal it. it absolutley doesnt, but let me spell it out, i wont even play it at all if it turns out to not be what is expected. Im from sa and have never gotten an blizzard game demo, not even on gaming magazine discs, so how else am i going to try the game.
You can use the F-Keys. You can also set the hotkeys to anything you'd like, like in D2.Stats are an old topic. You lost a long time ago, OP.i brought up the stats because i wanted to hear if there are other people that agree, in that regard i did not. As for key binding where did you get that info coz i searched but couldnt find anything.
isak viking
06-09-2009, 10:31
the fact that you dont care shows how litle you know !
i do care. i was refering to big companies like blizzard and universal studios and such, not pirates.
Piracy effects all games and all companies :whistling:
it could also effect in a good way. for the major companies.
when did stealing become ok ?
i would call it sharing. my uncle is in the movie branch, in norway... and we had a big discussion about piracy of movies and games. dont think we came to a conclusion other then that its a bad thing for the smaller companies.
diablo 3 is not an mmo where you can actually play with +200 ping
I live in australia and have never experienced an online blizzard game at under 350 ping, and i play fine, sure not the greatest but i still enjoy it.
Secondly, your argument that preventing LAN is an ineffective piracy measure so what is the point in doing it at all is ridiculous. Your assuming that hackers will break it, so why put up a defence against the inevitable? Removing LAN will take more time to hack, and will make it a lot harder. Also preventing easier piracy. Doing nothing and letting them hack the crap out of it like Counterstrike is isn't an option.
isak viking
06-09-2009, 10:55
I live in australia and have never experienced an online blizzard game at under 350 ping, and i play fine, sure not the greatest but i still enjoy it.
Secondly, your argument that preventing LAN is an ineffective piracy measure so what is the point in doing it at all is ridiculous. Your assuming that hackers will break it, so why put up a defence against the inevitable? Removing LAN will take more time to hack, and will make it a lot harder. Also preventing easier piracy. Doing nothing and letting them hack the crap out of it like Counterstrike is isn't an option.
hpw does removing lan prevent easier privacy?
Doing nothing and letting them hack the crap out of it like Counterstrike is isn't an option.
its gonna happen weither u like it or not. there will also be free bnet servers for d3(not like pay per month, but for the ones that have "stolen" the game from internet)
i personaly hate the idea that lan is out. blizzard should be ashamed
WizardFan
06-09-2009, 11:33
the fact that you dont care shows how litle you know !
Piracy effects all games and all companies :whistling:
and btw i know a lot of people share your thoughts and that makes me wounder , when did stealing become ok ?
I have to agree. Stay away from piracy as much as you can. Buying an original copy means that the company who made the game gets your money. And why not give your money for a good game and thereby support the company that makes the games?
Like I previously said, I'll gladly support a company like blizzard anytime with my money.
And yeah, like DivineSweety said, when did stealing become ok?
Btw, I like your avatar :)
isak viking
06-09-2009, 11:42
I'll gladly support a company like blizzard anytime with my money.
id rather support smaller companies that make great games, companies with potensial, but lack of options in economy(not that blizzard make crap games, even though wow is crap)
WizardFan
06-09-2009, 11:44
id rather support smaller companies that make great games, companies with potensial, but lack of options in economy(not that blizzard make crap games, even though wow is crap)
I never said we shouldn't support other companies. I'd gladly support any company whose games I like, big or small. I just happened to mention blizzard since these are the Diablo forums, after all :) I agree with you.
how does removing lan prevent easier pirating?
Programs such as Machima and other illegal pirate software are based on transferring the game via LAN, a lot of games are pirated onto other computers with LAN very easily.
isak viking
06-09-2009, 15:26
Programs such as Machima and other illegal pirate software are based on transferring the game via LAN, a lot of games are pirated onto other computers with LAN very easily.
they are just as easily transfered over the internet, just slower
lone_wolf
06-09-2009, 17:47
I live in australia and have never experienced an online blizzard game at under 350 ping, and i play fine, sure not the greatest but i still enjoy it.
Secondly, your argument that preventing LAN is an ineffective piracy measure so what is the point in doing it at all is ridiculous. Your assuming that hackers will break it, so why put up a defence against the inevitable? Removing LAN will take more time to hack, and will make it a lot harder. Also preventing easier piracy. Doing nothing and letting them hack the crap out of it like Counterstrike is isn't an option.
Good for you any online game over 200 ping that is not an mmo is unplayable for me. It has to do with the fact that i like to hit monsters that really are there not just the monsters the client show me.
You fail to realize that removing lan will not slow them down. It wont make it harder the software needed to packet sniff what is sent betwwen the bnet servers and your client computer has become much easier to use and better at what they do. Heck using only redirects and found verification keys you could probebly get alot of what you need to reverse engine a bnet 2.0 server.Besides there are alot more ways to do it then that so saying that blizzard prevented piracy when they choose to remove lan is naive at best. Again its the paying customers that gets the stick while the pirates goes in the easy lane playing their games without hassle.
I wonder how blizzard is going to try to fix the anger coming from south korea when it comes to sc2. To tell a nation where there are not 1 but 3 tv channels dedicated to showing starcraft 1 matches that their beloved lan is out of the game is not only a bold move its also one that can very easily end up in disaster.
Strange that the pr guys at blizzard didnt not see this potentional problem at all. Perhaps they though we where console kiddies not pc gamers. Heck i know 20 people that played diablo 2 in the past that will not play diablo 3 ever because of no lan and im sure there are more people then me who have found that people in their circle of friends wont get d3 becasue of this.
Sure it may seem like a small amount of people but if such a reaction where to be common among gamers blizzard will have a problem.
if 5 people find out that this also applies to their circle of friends its still not a big deal just 100 less customers but if 1 million people find this to be true they suddenly have a loss of 20000000 paying customers this is of course a highly theoretical outcome but they must realize that something simular to this can and probebly will happen.
CosmicallyDrifting
07-09-2009, 18:14
As for key binding where did you get that info coz i searched but couldnt find anything.
It's common sense. You forgot to search your brain, I presume...
a black kid
07-09-2009, 20:03
It's common sense. You forgot to search your brain, I presume...
common sense is not so common anymore.
AnimeCraze
07-09-2009, 20:44
hpw does removing lan prevent easier privacy?Let's face it, most D2 and Starcraft games are online. Forcing them to go through bnet will mean they need to go through a CD key check, in which Blizzard can almost completely eliminate piracy online, by simply keeping track of what CD key has been produced (and banned). While one can in theory set up a proper private server, it's a lot harder than setting up a LAN game. If the private server codes are wide spread, it is easy to detect and sue somebody too.
Starving_Poet
08-09-2009, 15:48
common sense is not so common anymore.
It never was.
DarkChaos
08-09-2009, 17:29
When D3 gets realesed I will definatley play a pirate version of the game before buying it, for the simple reason that the developers are chopping away at the foundation of what diablo is by removing stats(WTF) didnt that make a character unique, and then they remove the F-keys (SERIOUS WTF).
I just saw the Wizard have 30 skills, now either she has 20 odd passive skills and only 8 active, which I hope is not the case and doubt it after seeing the gameplay videos. The developers say "Well you have only 6 button to use" I say the hells with that, if I want to use most of my active skills that should be doable considering playstyle is individual, now they force you into useing a system the lead developers sees fit.
So If I'm in a fight and need a skill not assigned I have to stop and re assign, thats going to get me killed and its tedious. I feel that the choice needs to be there, the only thing diablo about D3 is the Blizzard Logo, everything else has been changed and I fear they might alienate core fans of the diablo franchise.
Can't you trolls stop running your mouths for more than two minutes to take some time to think about the fact that this game is not even in beta? How about you wait to play the game before judging, spewing out the same argument over and over and over, "BUT DC DIS GAME SI NOT THE SAEM AS D2 WTF OMG I HAVE TO PRESS 2 INSTEAD OF F2 NOW AND THE SKILL ICONS LOOK DIFFERENT WTF!!!!!!11".
This isn't another Diablo II expansion. This is Diablo III.
a black kid
08-09-2009, 19:15
Can't you trolls stop running your mouths for more than two minutes to take some time to think about the fact that this game is not even in beta? How about you wait to play the game before judging, spewing out the same argument over and over and over, "BUT DC DIS GAME SI NOT THE SAEM AS D2 WTF OMG I HAVE TO PRESS 2 INSTEAD OF F2 NOW AND THE SKILL ICONS LOOK DIFFERENT WTF!!!!!!11".
This isn't another Diablo II expansion. This is Diablo III.
Effin A Cotton... Effin A.
d2 system sucked suck. every1 was minimum everything for items. all to vita. wow so much customization!
It's common sense. You forgot to search your brain, I presume... very helpfull thanx. So acording to you keybinding to any and all keys are standard and not assigned to certain group keys like in d2 it was the f keys, wich has been removed in d3 acording to jay. Please clarify, and think before you do so please.
SlechtWeerBeer
09-09-2009, 13:24
very helpfull thanx. So acording to you keybinding to any and all keys are standard and not assigned to certain group keys like in d2 it was the f keys, wich has been removed in d3 acording to jay. Please clarify, and think before you do so please.
You're talking about hotkeying, rather than keybinding/remapping.
Cosmically means the keybinding in the Options menu, not assigning a hotkey to a skill.
conspiritual
09-09-2009, 15:28
its not about that, the thing is that they dont care. just the smaller companies
There are a lot of bigger companies that are no longer interested in making games for the PC due to piracy.
Not only does it effect the companies, it effects us gamers. There's a few reasons why PC gaming isn't what it used to be, piracy is one of them.
SlechtWeerBeer
09-09-2009, 15:35
Not only does it effect the companies, it effects us gamers. There's a few reasons why PC gaming isn't what it used to be, piracy is one of them.
This year is a good example for that, imo. Drought and famine D:
A lot of the Q4 '09 releases were pushed back to Q1 '10.
BrotherRatcliff
09-09-2009, 17:28
I think most of you are missing the point of the OP (as it relates to F keys not stats and/or piracy). He is talking about the function of the F keys, not the keys themselves. I think we all know we will be able to bind any key function present in the game to any key we want, just like we could in D2. The question is about what functions are present for us to bind, specifically if we have enough access to skills.
Think about this, in D2 we had simultaneous access to 16 skills via the 8 f keys, and 8 secondary skill hotkeys that could be used if you wanted to. As far as we know right now in D3 we will have access to 8 via LMB, RMB, tabbed RMB and 5 hotkeys. So here's the question, do we think 8 skills will be enough, or should they add some more skill access?
In D2 where most classes spammed 1 main skill most of my builds used at least 8 hotkeys, and a few used over 12. The D3 team has stated they want people using more varied attacks, yet they are giving us less hotkeys to use them. Maybe it won't be an issue because there are so many more passives in D3? Will we have a situation like the paladin where I kept Cleansing, Vigor, Meditation, Redemption and Salvation on hotkeys for situational use on top of all the main skills for that build?
Part of the issue in D2 was oskills though, most high level chrs needed hotkeys for teleport(enigma) and battle orders/battle command(call to arms) on top of their normal skills. If we don't have a return of that kind of thing it would ease the skill load somewhat, for better or for worse.
My opinion is that they should offer us more skill hotkey options. I think the easiest way to do that is to offer us a button that will swap our 5 hotkeys to a different set, like the tab on RMB thing but for all the (non-mouse) hotkeys. That would give us more options to attach occasional use skills in an easy to access during combat way, without cluttering up the UI or making things overly confusing. Also, if we have weapon switch each weapon should have it's own set of hotkeys, giving you access to 26 total skills in D3 with both weapons.
Please get out of these forums. You obviously have no regard for the time and effort the creators of D3 are putting into their game.
Well really, you can't say Blizzard are nice happy people working day and night just so the boys at home will have a good time during both good times and bad times.
They have psychologists working hard to make the games as addictive as possible. The money Blizzard gets from world of warcraft in two months is the same as the amount of money they've spent on wow altogether.
Not saying they're bad or anything, or that I support piracy, but it's really not that black and white
[QUOTE=BrotherRatcliff;7274329]I think most of you are missing the point of the OP (as it relates to F keys not stats and/or piracy). He is talking about the function of the F keys, not the keys themselves. I think we all know we will be able to bind any key function present in the game to any key we want, just like we could in D2. The question is about what functions are present for us to bind, specifically if we have enough access to skills. Think about this, in D2 we had simultaneous access to 16 skills via the 8 f keys, and 8 secondary skill hotkeys that could be used if you wanted to. As far as we know right now in D3 we will have access to 8 via LMB, RMB, tabbed RMB and 5 hotkeys. So here's the question, do we think 8 skills will be enough, or should they add some more skill access? In D2 where most classes spammed 1 main skill most of my builds used at least 8 hotkeys, and a few used over 12. The D3 team has stated they want people using more varied attacks, yet they are giving us less hotkeys to use them. Maybe it won't be an issue because there are so many more passives in D3? Will we have a situation like the paladin where I kept Cleansing, Vigor, Meditation, Redemption and Salvation on hotkeys for situational use on top of all the main skills for that build? Part of the issue in D2 was oskills though, most high level chrs needed hotkeys for teleport(enigma) and battle orders/battle command(call to arms) on top of their normal skills. If we don't have a return of that kind of thing it would ease the skill load somewhat, for better or for worse. My opinion is that they should offer us more skill hotkey options. I think the easiest way to do that is to offer us a button that will swap our 5 hotkeys to a different set, like the tab on RMB thing but for all the (non-mouse) hotkeys.... Thanx for getting my point, i didnt think it would take 10 pages to get one guy who understand what im trying to say.
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