DIII.Net Currency Suggestion

[Cormac McArt]

Dear DIII.Net Team ,

Make DIII.Net Currency already!

Best regards,
Cormac McArt

[Elly]

And what would that be when it's at home?

[Gorny]

Dear DIII.Net Team ,

Make DIII.Net Currency already!

Best regards,
Cormac McArt

Please no FG.

[Cormac McArt]

A currency to be earned/spent by/for $ , D1/2/3/* Items , Forum Extras.
Please no FG.
What is FG and why do you have issues with it?

[sunkenfaith]

FG = Forum Gold... wouldnt elaborate on the site that uses it....

[Gorny]

A currency to be earned/spent by/for $ , D1/2/3/* Items , Forum Extras.

What is FG and why do you have issues with it?

FG stands for Forum Gold, and it's a currency used by some other forums out there. Some use it for trade also and for other things. We've never used it and the general consensus is an extermely loud "no"

As to other things...well what are you suggesting it for?

[sunkenfaith]

I used to work with Vbulletin alot and was one of the mods for their Vbulletin site. Offhand, uses for forum gold could include:

Friendly betting system (something like pools)
RPG game, forum gold uses it to buy items for your character (intergrated into the forums)
Gaining gold as you post, and using the gold to buy privelleges on the forum - i.e larger PM box, Signatures, colored names etc.

[Gorny]

I used to work with Vbulletin alot and was one of the mods for their Vbulletin site. Offhand, uses for forum gold could include:

Friendly betting system (something like pools)
RPG game, forum gold uses it to buy items for your character (intergrated into the forums)
Gaining gold as you post, and using the gold to buy privelleges on the forum - i.e larger PM box, Signatures, colored names etc.

The forum perks you suggest are part of the Pal Donation system. So...

[Cormac McArt]

FG stands for Forum Gold, and it's a currency used by some other forums out there. Some use it for trade also and for other things. We've never used it and the general consensus is an extermely loud "no"

As to other things...well what are you suggesting it for?
Aha. And what are the concrete reasons or the basic ideas why the team is strongly against it?

As for other than In-Game fincances:
In the Forum:
Gambling
Title and/or Visual symbol corresponding to the Current Amount of the "Gold" you have.
Title/s about your achievements/activities with the "Gold" , perhaps something like Medal/s - Spender of the week , Gainer of the week , Saver of the week etc.
Subscriptions to "utilities" such as larger PM box and coloured names (like @sunkenfaith said) or more extended Search options etc.
Outside:
Buying (non virtual) DIII.Net souvenirs like clothing , jewelry etc.

Sounds bad? No - only compliated!

[spiffymcbang]

Since this type of currency requires a trade of something in game for something out of the game, it leads to many many many many many many many scams.

It is very difficult to police.

It would require constant mediation and many many more mods to try and not succeed at keeping the scams out.

It works if you are set up for it but scams still abound. There are advantages but the scaming outweights them. go to the other forum that uses FG and look at the scammer accusations forum and just see. Multiple Scams occur on a daily basis with many multi accounts and they can be hard to prove, with some folks who just don't like each other making false accusations. All kinds of dupes get traded, it is just chaos.

It is probably not for us at this time.

[Uncle_Mike]

I believe this has been discussed before. All in all the conclusion was that the cons outweigh the pros of a forum currency system.

Check Spiffy's post for details :)

[Cormac McArt]

Since this type of currency requires a trade of something in game for something out of the game, it leads to many many many many many many many scams.

It is very difficult to police.

It would require constant mediation and many many more mods to try and not succeed at keeping the scams out.

It works if you are set up for it but scams still abound. There are advantages but the scaming outweights them. go to the other forum that uses FG and look at the scammer accusations forum and just see. Multiple Scams occur on a daily basis with many multi accounts and they can be hard to prove, with some folks who just don't like each other making false accusations. All kinds of dupes get traded, it is just chaos.

It is probably not for us at this time.
I now fully understand it and concur.
However let's think of a Currency that wont deal In-Game (at first perhaps) and will concentrate In the Forum.
A Currency earned for positive actions in the Forum.
However , it is not easy to quallify positive or useful actios (since the Forum doesn't care how good the members are but merely to allow them the base to discuss ~"anything and everything").
If we assume that such quallification would be done by the means of Rating system - then , umm - tell me what you think so far?

[Thyiad]

Why should a private forum have to pay it's members to act in a positive way? Isn't that part of the forum rules and to a lesser extent the ethos of helpfulness we try and create here?

I have no idea why you state that this forum "doesn't care how good the members are". That is untrue. If we didn't care, we wouldn't ban trolls, flamers and cheats. We wouldn't send thanks to those who do write guides. Nor would be give larger PM boxes and animated avatars to those who financially contribute to the forum.

The first thing any sensible person does on a forum with a rating system is turn it off. It is a griefer's paradise. Judging by some of the 'discussions' going on amonst newer members, the last thing they need is another way to act badly. We already get reports about problematic trade ratings and PMs as well as posts. This would be no different.

Those members who are genuinely nice people don't require little stars next to their name saying how people like them. They just get on with it without making a fuss.

[Cormac McArt]

Heh , so you say good behaviour doesn't need stimulation? ^
As for what I said that DIII.Net doesn't care whether its members are good ot bad as long as there are plenty of them and they fit in the scheme - that's partially true , so me and you are partially right and wrong. There are legit ways to do harm , you know.
Don't think for Rating only as Numbers or Stars - when I think of it slightly out of the box - I can imagine it like Colour rating or Title rating as well , however it's really complicated matter in deed.
I haven't received any Thanks for my TvT Guide , especially there wasn't any untll mine , so far! ^
Hurry up!

[KremBanan]

I haven't received any Thanks for my TvT Guide , especially there wasn't any untll mine , so far! ^
Hurry up!

:rolf: OMFG :rolf:

[krischan]

Since this type of currency requires a trade of something in game for something out of the game, it leads to many many many many many many many scams.

It is very difficult to police.

It would require constant mediation and many many more mods to try and not succeed at keeping the scams out.

It works if you are set up for it but scams still abound. There are advantages but the scaming outweights them. go to the other forum that uses FG and look at the scammer accusations forum and just see. Multiple Scams occur on a daily basis with many multi accounts and they can be hard to prove, with some folks who just don't like each other making false accusations. All kinds of dupes get traded, it is just chaos.

It is probably not for us at this time.

Nope from me as well, for the reasons mentioned above.

[Cormac McArt]

And Elly ?

[krischan]

Posting 2 leaves the impression that she is not really fond of this thread, but I guess she left it open because this is a new topic for D3 (unlike for D2 where there *will* *be* *no* *FG* *period*) so I would assume her answer is no, as it has always been so far.

[Cormac McArt]

Aha , anyway let it be open , for later someone may dig something helpful out of it.

[ZappaFan]

As said before, the best way to get more perks here is to become a Pal. In regards to setting up a forum currency system for trading D2 items, that becomes essentially a pay for items system and we are strongly against that here. People spend RL money to get forum currency, then use the forum currency to buy items from other forum members. Same thing as simply going to an item web site and paying cash for items.

[joesterinc]

Dear DIII.Net Team ,

Make DIII.Net Currency already!

Best regards,
Cormac McArt


How about, no

[Cormac McArt]

I see your concerns and concur.
How about a case where this Currency cannot by Earned by $ but by Diablo Items only?

[ZappaFan]

I see your concerns and concur.
How about a case where this Currency cannot by Earned by $ but by Diablo Items only?

Problem being how would you prime this system with forum currency to begin with?

Beyond that, this type of system involves one person always having to "give first" because the currency and the item are on totally seperate systems (unless you involve a trusted mediator). Now you're looking at a LOT of added overhead to running these forums because of course we'd have to make some sort of system for resolving the many disputes (you can bet on that) that arise with trades that go wrong, in addition to establishing a mediator group.

Ehhhh, no thank you very much.

[Cormac McArt]

I see your concerns and concur.
How about a case where this Currency cannot by Earned by $ but by Diablo Items only?
With such Currency DIII.Net will neglect the Rich and Lazy and will Facilitate the Frugal and Diligent.
Thus DIII.Net will fully Attract those who now use the Other Forum for trading!

[Thyiad]

It's still items for cash. No.

If you are so married to the idea and you say it works on another forum, why aren't you trading there instead?

:)

[Gorny]

If you are paying RL money for it and getting D2 items in any way shape or forum, it's no, no, no, and no again.

If you are paying money and getting forum (not d2items) perks like bigger PM box, signatures, no ads and other stuff than that's the pal donation system.

No need for any other system, IMHO.

[Cormac McArt]

Simplified: If you're paying only Diablo items for the Currency and then use it only to Buy Diablo items and Forum "perks" - Yes?

[Elly]

It's a valid suggestion and I'm glad you put it forward Cormac McArt. It's not for DIII.Net at this time however. Although we'd not do anything that involved real life money, never say never to the forum credits for some other onsite reward, just not at this time.

Cheers