(not a hate thread) problems with wizard.

[slex lord of hatred]

i like the concept of the wizards spells, but i dislike her character, i.e. the fact she is an arrogant gimp. i liked the regal yet serene sorceress who liked to listen and was still powerfull. now its just the arrogant teen who doesnt give a crap and will probs say the same as the barb when she finds cain.
i dont like the fact that she and the WD are not the outstanding as the barb and monk (by this i mean, they arnt as visible, which is strange seeing as they are the spell casters). i really dont like the fact that some magics arnt good enough for her. and i really dont like that she doesnt use mana. and the WD does.
i want to like her, but with each new piece of info im finding a fault for her. and its really annoying lol.

if you have any thoughts or problems with her feel free to state them here.

[LaZeR]

I actually love her rebelic Lore. It sounds like we'll have very interesting conversations with Cain.

WD I agree, but the Wiz IS as outstanding as the Barb and Monk. Maybe not in the Demos, because she's restricted to low level Tiers only, but have you seen the gameplay trailers?

But yes, not using Mana is wierd. However, I will wait for further information before I dismiss this crappy, horrible, stupid idea.

[raveharu]

i dont like the fact that she and the WD are not the outstanding as the barb and monk (by this i mean, they arnt as visible, which is strange seeing as they are the spell casters).

Are you sure the Wizard is not outstanding? I can't say for the WD since his skills are not complete, but all we have seen are his basic skills.

Are you only deducing this from the monk's gameplay video? The Wizard has impressive AoE spells but they weren't showcased yet (Meteor Swarm, Blizzard, Hydra).


i really dont like the fact that some magics arnt good enough for her. and i really dont like that she doesnt use mana. and the WD does.

Where did you get the info that the wizard won't be using mana?

[slex lord of hatred]

from the Q&A on the homepage.

[raveharu]

from the Q&A on the homepage.

Interesting :shocked:

[Sass]

Erm, that quote says the Wizard uses mana...It's just how that mana gets used that is subject to change. For instance, the monk might build like a barb with fury, the wiz just might use it on spells.

idk, but the wiz uses mana.

[slex lord of hatred]

Right now the monk and the wizard and the witch doctor all use mana. The witch doctor is actually going with mana, that's official. The monk and the wizard are going to have different systems, and we haven't finished them, I can't talk about them yet. They are definitely both going to be different, but the witch doctor is actually going to be on mana, we like that convention.

that just means now they still have mana the barb had mana not long ago , but they are going.

[Sass]

It isn't necessarily changing for sure, just that they're messing with systems.


I'm sure the wiz would have some edyrem magic or something anyway, so a type of mana.

[Ouroboros]

To cast Arcane spells, maybe something more powerful is required .... and since the WIz was born after the world stone shattered, she grew up unrestrained by the Worldstone's debilatating effetcs ... no wonder she is powerful, arrogant, and destructive.

Secondly, if Blizzard chooses to have her not use mana, it is likely they will implement a system that enhances gameplay .. definately not something that is detrimental.

And have you seen most of her skills?

I'll tell you ... Mirror image with multistrike/hydra rune is awesome
Blizzard/icestorm is awesome
Meteor is spellbinding (no pun intended)
disintegrate, electrocute, ray of frost, ice nova, etc. are all visually orgasmic .. duno man, maybe u expect too high...

[AtomicJ]

I'm not too thrilled that they changed her Stone Skin spell. I understand their reasoning, that her model was just too small to really show it, but I still like it better than the new crystal armor she has.

[slex lord of hatred]

when did we see blizzard?

[raveharu]

when did we see blizzard?

It was only shown at the previous Blizzcon. Basically when the spell is cast, a huge cloud looms above and starts raining thick ice shards.

[slex lord of hatred]

dissapointing lol. i was hoping for actually a blast of icy wind that was really powerful and sent enemies flying .

[acjohnso]

you people are far too demanding

[Runestar]

If you don't like the wizard's lore, simply revise them to your liking. A character's backstory ultimately has zero impact on the way it will be played. The wizard will still be the same mechanically regardless of whether he is an arrogant pompass or a serene person.

Not to sure what to make of the fact that they are now no longer using mana, but I will need to know more about their new system before I can comment further.

[Smash]

He do not like how wizard act, plus you cannot just pretend that something do not exist because you do not like it.

I understand OP and agree with him, i am for old ,powerful wise mage too, not a arrogant, rebel Asian teen...

[chezzmaster]

He do not like how wizard act, plus you cannot just pretend that something do not exist because you do not like it.

I understand OP and agree with him, i am for old ,powerful wise mage too, not a arrogant, rebel Asian teen...

I wholeheartedly agree, the Wizard's attitude it very annoying. She is just some stupid kid born with powers she refuses to manipulate to their fullest extent out of ignorance. I don't want to play a character like that. I could see her being b*tchy to Cain and calling him "Old Man" disrespectfully.

[Kingu]

kid born with powers she refuses to manipulate to their fullest extent out of ignorance.
What the hell are you talking about? :scratchhead:

I don't want to play a character like that. I could see her being b*tchy to Cain and calling him "Old Man" disrespectfully. Why so serious it's a game, it's not like Cain is your old man, to get it that personal i think.:confused:

[Runestar]

He do not like how wizard act, plus you cannot just pretend that something do not exist because you do not like it.

When it is something as insignificant as backstory which will have zero impact on the mechanics of a wizard anyways, why not? I am not pretending it doesn't exist, I am simply accepting that it is impossible for blizzard to come up with a backstory which pleases everyone, and that I am entirely free to reflavour my characters however I want to suit my own personal tastes, regardless of how they were initially portrayed.

Much easier and more productive than whining endlessly about it, IMO.

Did it countless times when I was playing dnd. Many abilities often came with prepackaged flavour that tend to be incompatible with the flavour of my character. So I simply revised their lore to fit into my PC's backstory. And not once has my campaign suffered because of it.

[raveharu]

Wow now people are complaining that the wizard is too young and the monk is too old... nothing will ever satisfy anyone. But once the game's out everyone will just shut up :whistling:

[Sass]

Wow now people are complaining that the wizard is too young and the monk is too old... nothing will ever satisfy anyone. But once the game's out everyone will just shut up :whistling:The disk isn't in my drive yet, why can't I install.

/whine.







I think the wiz young fits. Can't wait to play ACTUAL kids raging :)

[Telzen]

When it is something as insignificant as backstory which will have zero impact on the mechanics of a wizard anyways, why not? I am not pretending it doesn't exist, I am simply accepting that it is impossible for blizzard to come up with a backstory which pleases everyone, and that I am entirely free to reflavour my characters however I want to suit my own personal tastes, regardless of how they were initially portrayed.

Much easier and more productive than whining endlessly about it, IMO.

Did it countless times when I was playing dnd. Many abilities often came with prepackaged flavour that tend to be incompatible with the flavour of my character. So I simply revised their lore to fit into my PC's backstory. And not once has my campaign suffered because of it.

Remember though it isn't just backstory in D3. All throughout the game in D3 your character will be having dialogue you will be listening to.

[WizardFan]

Remember though it isn't just backstory in D3. All throughout the game in D3 your character will be having dialogue you will be listening to.

Pretty much this.

I also must agree that the arrogant behavior of the wizard is offputting.

On the other hand, it could be fun you know. If you become REALLY good at playing the wizard, your char will actually have a reason to be that arrogant. Besides, if your wizard is as good as she is arrogant (and remember, you're the one who makes her good because you play her), then you're good :)

[Gorny]

He do not like how wizard act, plus you cannot just pretend that something do not exist because you do not like it.

I understand OP and agree with him, i am for old ,powerful wise mage too, not a arrogant, rebel Asian teen...

Please keep the racial remarks off the boards.

Thanks.

[Senor Mortgage]

I quite enjoy it and it makes a lot of sense really. A fun and underutilized character type as a hero/antihero (the powerful egomaniac). I can see the other side though. Wizards are traditionally older, sage persons who mastered the arcane/magic over a long period of time. Its such an established archetype that its incredibly rare to deviate from it (any non-sage mage is automatically evil/a demon sorcerer). The same goes with the monk, who is often characterized as a younger fighter whose brash yet learning to control his (inherently) superior potencial. Here its more a holy harded warrior. The WD put off people because, well, its not a very common main hero. I'm really enjoying the direction with the new cast but it does rub against many established archetypes that people have assumed standard.

[Unregister]

As long as her killing speed is on par with the sorceress then whatever lore by whoever wrote it in Blizzard is fine by me.

I'm impressed with the preview video a while back. It's the one with the cinematic of her going against King Leoric with those gameplay videos inserted.

[WizardFan]

As long as her killing speed is on par with the sorceress then whatever lore by whoever wrote it in Blizzard is fine by me.

I'm impressed with the preview video a while back. It's the one with the cinematic of her going against King Leoric with those gameplay videos inserted.

I agree with this. Killing speed was one of the trademarks of the diablo casters and I definitely support this notion.

[Halfsoul]

"slex lord of hatred" no doubt the barbarian will own because some of his skills are totally awesome and he looks like the hulk, but i am pretty sure all the characters will in their own way and against a particular foe be deadly. You have to remember, that diablo 3 will be much more complex, when it comes to character building, because you are able to specialize even more with your character using different runes to change your skills and thus your tactics on the battlefield. Anyway if you don´t like the arrogant female, then just choose the male wizard, which i will probably do hehe

[Dyuu]

Wow now people are complaining that the wizard is too young and the monk is too old... nothing will ever satisfy anyone. But once the game's out everyone will just shut up :whistling:

Oh come on. Will they? Will they really? *points at any-game-that's-out forums-with-people-raging* ^^

[Bandreus]

Oh come on. Will they? Will they really? *points at any-game-that's-out forums-with-people-raging* ^^

Compared to all the exagerated whining we get today? Yes, they will.

They'll be too much occupied playing the damn game to complain about anything, bottom line