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of a blade fury sin, i love this sin. She can run any where, with any number or players, with considerable speed. Her alies are a doom wielding might merc and a lvl 17 shadow master. She has braught me many valuable items such as jmod, perfect wolfhowl(valuable to me) and many many socketable, charms, and gems.
her gears
388% phoenix conquest sword
um'ed shako
arachs(soon to be tgods)
dual raven
Highlords
gores
ss ber'ed
Fortitude
dracs(for merc and shadow survivabuility plus a little ow)
various vit/ar/dmg/trap skillers
I wouldnt trade her for the best made smiter
jmod and perfect wolfhowl, you're the luckiest person on earth.
i filled it with 40/15maxers and put it on my zerker. and i was using almost the lowest possible howl
Ceramic Weasel
22-08-2009, 05:15
The Phoenix sword is an unusual choice. The CtC doesn't annoy the hell out of you?
AeroGear
22-08-2009, 06:39
I'd be more annoyed by the lack of corpse to explode with DS.
I don;t think blad fury triggers phoenix's firestorm. However putting ed/max or min jewels on anywhere except weapon is a waste, you will only get +max IIRC, due to a bug.
Firestorm is triggered as its on striking,its on attack that doesn't go off with BF.As to the shield well Id just see what 1.13 brings.
I don;t think blad fury triggers phoenix's firestorm. However putting ed/max or min jewels on anywhere except weapon is a waste, you will only get +max IIRC, due to a bug.
My 30/80 giant skull was completely useless for her. So it's 80% ed does not improve my bfury dmg at all...!? There a much better helm to use?
I tried pheonix for my fury sin, and ya, blade fury will cast firestorm and cancel your attack. Plus it screws over your mass killing speed with death sentry making it even more digusting. A terrible choice for a rapid fast attacker like a fury sin who should abuse dsentry like a $10,000 laying in the middle of the street.
I love my fury sin too. She can handle alot of deep @#$% that would get my kicker torn apart by.
Efury scissors suwayyah
lance gaurd
fort ap
30/80 giant skull
string
dracs(souldrainer vs boss)
gores
highlords
raven
dual leech ring
Merc(might) armed with reapers toll for a massive boost in phy dmg power and potential to kill PIs.
My crappy trapper stole her 6 trap gcs for the time being. Still have 11 skill points left undecided.
awe lame i wasted all those jewels.
i dont use dsentury...at all 0 points in elemental trapps.
the firestorm only seems to half interupt her, she starts to stand up but then crouches back down half way through, the distance between a firestorm stop is half of a click stand click distance between last shuriken and first shuriken.
how usefull is kb on a bf sin?
and does Cb even work with bf?
AeroGear
22-08-2009, 20:21
Crushing blow makes or break BF tbh (along with ignore target armor) since AR is a huge problem with this skill. I dont remember all the mods that xfer to BF but I know there's a guide around that covers it.
Not using DS is crippling your kill speed by a LOT, try to put at least 1 point in it, altough range will be gimp unless you have a good amount of skillers. I wouldve maxed DS, where are all your skillpoints spent I wonder. BF is a 1 point wonder, I'm guessing you run with maxed Fade since IAS doesnt affect BF, max venom, max SM. Leaves you with a lot of points to spend, roughly 20+ if you're level 80 or so.
That being said if you roll with a maxed SM she will lay down some traps but she's not too reliable for DS, not when you want it anyway.
ummm no. this isnt a help thread, your stand on Ds was noted the first time you mentioned it.
my skills are as fallows with all plus skills and no battle command.
clvl 85 all quests done
18 fire bomb
18 wake
37bladefury/blade sentury
31 blade shield
13 claw mastery p.hammer
13 BoS weapon block and cloak
17 fade shadow warrior
32 venom
15 shadow master
Today i got a 4os 15%ed legendary mallet, and i made a 350% famine, i now only use pheonix for Cs running now...its the hardest place for me to run.
i use sm for mindblast, wich she uses on all mobs, and her elemental dmg's can be very helpfull.
AeroGear
23-08-2009, 02:56
Its a pretty unconventionnal way to build a fury sin. Would understand better your skills distribution with hard points but I see what kind of build you have, altough I cant understand (31) blade shield at all.
I've gotten by so far without needing venom or any elemental dmg, apart from DS's half fire dmg.
Can get by is not the same as "I shouldn't use" when it comes to DS, venom, etc. They're generally one pointers, venom is more flexible, and it drastically makes almost any char better. The only exception is a pure trapper and venom.
well really i wouldnt call this sin a blade fury sin, i would call her a blademaster. i maxed or are maxxing rather, the blade skills. i can stand still drop 2 senturies going in opposite directions(small path no more than 2 yards away) have shield up and spray shurikens in a sprinkler pattern and no mob can live long enugh to deal any sort of dmg that isnt leached almost right away, i just wish Bs gave ll, i guess that would be broken.
Ceramic Weasel
23-08-2009, 17:30
The jewel bug is covered here: http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5283820
Something about the +%ed not applying to the +max damage on the same item, unless it's a weapon. It shouldn't affect the +%ed working on the BF skill damage.
Not sure if you've read my Blade Fury Analysis (http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=732539), AeroGear, but BF is not a 1pt wonder, and when you're killing monsters with 2-3 hits, CB isn't that much help. It's nice to have some on your equipment somewhere, but I wouldn't stress about it.
Knockback on the otherhand is just plain awesome.
Death Sentry is very nice on any Assassin build. It kills rooms full of monsters.
The use of Blade Shield limits your weapon to something Non-Ethereal or Indestructible, and I can't imagine it gets much use on a ranged character.
I've yet to find anything that can outdamage a nice ethereal rare claw.
Venom is okay, but it gets reduced on BF like all other elemental damage, so it's not an essential skill.
All in all, the blade skills are lots of fun and can be quite formidable with the right equipment, so kudos on succeeding with something outside the box. :thumbup:
AeroGear
23-08-2009, 19:01
I've read the guide and the numbers are impressive if not hard to believe. I'll have to try it out since I'm skeptic and I've never made it further than early nightmare with BF, the damage had left me unsatisfied since it was an untwinked char.
Needless to say if you build something around infinity, fortitude and elite uniques... ANY build will do amazing damage. Still I've been meaning to build a fury sin. My main worry is AR altough CoS or ITD weapon (late game) solves this.
If anything I respect original variants or builds that rely on runewords, its what makes this game so much more versatile than say WoW which only has a few viable builds (optimal for progression). Its only a wealth problem for now, altough I suspect I'd build my HC char from scratch regardless of my wealth level, need some extra challenge.
I'm not sure I understand why you say venom is not worth it though. Venom is poison damage over 0.4 second, so suppose you have roughly 1000 damage a second from venom, the 3/4 penalty cuts it down to 750 which seems like a worthwhile amount of damage. Granted you'll be clipping it with your attacks but it does the same damage over time. I'll rebuild another one if I'm not satisfied with it, this is more or less a test char.
Ceramic Weasel
24-08-2009, 08:33
Infinity isn't necessary, so long as you can creatively solve the to-hit problem. Fortitude is probably the only high-end runeword that I'd consider a deal breaker for maxed blade skills, and that just boils down to 'Lo'.
Venom gets clipped a lot on repeated hits. BF is 6 frames, venom is 10 frames, so that 1000 poison is actually 450 between hits. It's fine if you have the points to max it, but they can probably be better spent.
i am most def remaking, i will be using DS but no hard points,only because it will close to double my killing speed. and focusing on claws, my offhand is an Eshadow RT of vileness with 3weaponblock 1DS(convenience this nice should cost) 3clawblock, i havent found any mainhand claw but i did just find a 3os scissor suwayyah, i really want amp dmg mod. and dont wanna give up hilords
i dont play her very ranged, i run straight headlong into mobs.(if this were a particulair d20 system rpg i would take headlong rush for 2x dmg...im a nerd lol) the stun/kb/convert take alot of the heat directly off of me so im not usually getting hit, and since my merc is weilding doom(might merc) everything is slowed, plus arachs. i get lots of oppertunities to get hits off to trigger the newly aquired kb. from an open giantskull. im thinking of ber'ing it and using sheal'ed ss instead or ber'ss.
Not sure if you've read my Blade Fury Analysis (http://diablo.incgamers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=732539), AeroGear, but BF is not a 1pt wonder, and when you're killing monsters with 2-3 hits, CB isn't that much help. It's nice to have some on your equipment somewhere, but I wouldn't stress about it.
Maxing BF made my dmg go from about 1000 to 1700(no venom or auras). And CB is pretty much useless for BF. I dropped Baal's defense to 0 with souldrainers and my 50% CB really did not have an impact at all. She didn't kill him super fast, nor super slow.
Knockback on the otherhand is just plain awesome.
Really helps keep monsters out of your face. ITD along with BF's speed will keep a monster from throwing an attack. Got some super powered monster that's PI and can rape your merc, you don't need to worry about it when it's pinned agaisnt a wall and can't attack. You could use MB, but that can't kill.
I've yet to find anything that can outdamage a nice ethereal rare claw.
What's the dmg on one that you've seen or got?
Venom is okay, but it gets reduced on BF like all other elemental damage, so it's not an essential skill.
All I need is decryptify and I can drop everything in the game quickly, unless it's some super freak unique that stays PI. Greatly improves BF and DS's phy dmg.
What's the dmg on one that you've seen or got?
Ive got this 341 ED eth Feral claw which does 145-348 so imagine a 450% ed eth Warfist but of course the chances!
Ceramic Weasel
24-08-2009, 18:00
Maxing BF made my dmg go from about 1000 to 1700(no venom or auras).Is that screen damage? I'd be concerned if 19 points in BF was netting less than 1000 damage before auras, though I guess it depends on whether you're using a claw or not.
What's the dmg on one that you've seen or got?It's an eth Scissors Suwayyah +29X%ed, but it has Fool's mod, so that's a plus.
i really want amp dmg mod. and dont wanna give up hilords5% CtC Amp Dmg would be nice. That's a suffix, right? So all I need to do is find an ethereal War Fist with the following:Prefix
Cruel +201-300% Damage
Fool's +(16.5 - 1633.5) to AR / +(0.5 - 49.5) to Max Dmg
Witch-hunter's +2 to Assassin Skill Levels
Suffix
Bear Knockback
Piercing Ignores Target's Defense
Amplify Damage 5% Chance To Cast Level 1 Amplify Damage on Striking And +3 BF inherent. Nooo problem. :whistling:
wouldnt it be better off to go for
cruel 201-300
masters 101-250 dmg 151-250 ar
fools
witch-hunters
piercing
amp dmg?
can you have more than 3 prefixes, or is it just 3 pre 3 suf?
This one is ok, just remembered that I had it stashed away. I jah'd it and my fury sin got a 500 dmg boost from 1700 to 2200.
http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/5025/screenshot020ugk.jpg
Ceramic Weasel
25-08-2009, 18:39
there will never be more than 3 Prefixes or 3 Suffixes on the same Rare Item
Master's +151-250 to Attack Rating, Damage: +101-150%I suppose now that I think about it, an extra +101-150%ed would net more damage. +2 assassin skills is nice though.
But I have yet to see a nice rare drop with ITD, so I tend to stick with 'Fury'.
But I have yet to see a nice rare drop with ITD, so I tend to stick with 'Fury'.
Just jah one.
it has to be main hand im almost possitive, the pvmh is the same deal. so my off hand vileness would be usless.
Ceramic Weasel
26-08-2009, 09:20
Just jah one.And waste a perfectly good socket that could be used for a 'Lo'? Pssh.
so my off hand vileness would be usless.Why use c/c? Nothing from the offhand gets added to BF.
wouldnt it be better off to go for
cruel 201-300
masters 101-250 dmg 151-250 ar
fools
witch-hunters
piercing
amp dmg?
can you have more than 3 prefixes, or is it just 3 pre 3 suf?
Master's and Fool's cannot spawn on the same weapon. They are in the same prefix group.
Curious, elemental dmg gets cut 3/4, but what if it's a skill like holy shock? Would Holy shock from dual dream get nerfed?
All damage gets cut to 3/4.
how are they in same group, masters is %dmg and ar, where fools is maxdmg (bocl) and ar (bocl). as far as the summit goes it groups them seperatly.
They are in the same group, well, because they are in the same group. As far as the summit goes it's often wrong.
Use this for affixes: http://diablo2.ingame.de/spiel/expansion/itemdb/affix_index.php?lang=en&version=lod&patch=111
i see said the blind man
someone really needs to sit blizzard down and tell them the differance between lying and telling the hole truth
I tried dual dream for my sin. It's not that bad.
i dont see duel dreams on this build helping, maybe on an infinitrapper
AeroGear
04-09-2009, 03:00
Traps are counted as minions, they dont benefit watsoever from -lightning resist granted by dream.
Ceramic Weasel
04-09-2009, 16:12
I think you're thinking of Griffon's Eye, Dream doesn't have -res.
Double Dreams are okay with BF, I guess. It adds about 626 average damage after the 3/4 penalty. I think I'd rather the Giant Skull and a socketed shield, though.
Well I think I changed my mind about phoenix(shield). It's absolutely sick.
Kinda odd, I don't think my dmg is what it actually says. I do 3300 dmg with merc's might, my zon does 4k multi-shot and yet my sin does more dmg to a monster, often killing with shot. My throw barb does 12k with warshrikes and yet my sin seems to deal almost the same dmg.
Who's really dealing what!?
Ceramic Weasel
19-09-2009, 09:11
The character screen will not show the correct damage for Blade Fury, you need to calculate it yourself.
Phoenix shield gives a nice boost to the damage of individual shuriken, but the delays you suffer from the Firestorm triggering will reduce your damage over time. This may not be important if you kill most things in one hit, but against large groups where you want to hold the stance and spray, or against bosses where you want an uninterrupted stream, even Dream or 40%ed Tiamat's will yield more damage output over time.
the only ONLY reason i use pheonix over another weapon is redemption, other than the marley song, it keeps me alive. i like builds that i honestly just sit there, she is a char i use for farming greys, keys, and chaos running( its was hard to kill baal*) it has itd, and some deadly strike, plus hella mana leach for between redemption procs.(grr ranged mana burn on a lucky shot...i run)
*I simply did way to little dmg to baal, and i thaught about my options. so i scooped up my beastz, and my pheonix monarch off my zerker, grr still to little. then i thaught. bear why not? and ripped him to shreads, no bo im looking at 3.5k life. low ar but nice stacked cb, ds, and ow, keeping his hp knocked low.
Heh, I raped baal with blade fury. The only thing she struggles with are the ancients. Once the one uses shout they become nearly impossible to hit.
My dmg must be really high cause I toke nice chunks out of baal. And I still killed bosses faster despite the delays.
Ceramic Weasel
20-09-2009, 07:25
And I still killed bosses faster despite the delays.What's your equipment and skill setup? I'd like to test this myself, as I have sincere doubts that a Furysin would kill bosses faster with Phoenix than, say 3*40%ed Headhunter's.
Lying char screen strikes again I suppose.
E: I swear there wasn't a last page on this >>
i didnt have tht last page option as well.
i use a few weapon options. this is my gear thusfar
i made a few changes.
g-face, 40/15%. got of my zerker
steelrends, perfect. i got for free in an i quit room lol.
i swich between atmas and hi-lords, i cant seem to figure out what is more usefull
i got a few different weapons i use now, enjoying all
EbeastEttin
pheonix conquest.
Destruction pb-its fun in normal
Eeternity scourge
Wish I had a headhunters or 3-4x 40% ed jewels. Phoenix doesn't have that bad of a delay. Often you don't get interrupted at all when firestorm casts.
319 dmg eth rare suwayyah jah'd
guilaumes(new bow zon usin my giant skull)
fort
phoenix 359%
souldrainers
string
gores
carrion/Rfrost
highlords
6x trap gcs, torch, anni
Merc, might, reapers toll.
lvl 31 BF
lvl 18 death sentry
lvl 25 claw mastery
lvl 19 shadow master
10 points in fade, 18 spare skill points left still. Might max blade shield if I find a good eth weapon with ITD.
my buff weapons are sweet.
6venom
4bs
4Sm
6fade
4mb(lame)
Ceramic Weasel
23-09-2009, 12:37
Okay, finally got around to testing this. I ran 5 Baal runs each with Phoenix and a 120%ed Headhunter's Glory, with a similar setup to Ghoulz. I timed how long it took between entering the portal to killing Baal.
Average time with Phoenix: 1:03
Average time with Headhunter's: 0:54
Of course, this is hardly conclusive, as every fight with Baal is different, sometimes he teleports around, other times he stays conveniently still, etc. But my previous testing in PvP on damage over time confirms that there many better options than Phoenix.
Phoenix doesn't have that bad of a delay. Often you don't get interrupted at all when firestorm casts.Phoenix's Firestorm will always cause a delay. The only time you won't be interrupted by it is if you've already stopped firing when it the CtC triggers. You can minimize the effect by firing in short bursts (semi-automatic BF). However, you may be confusing Phoenix's Firestorm with the Firestorm trigger on your Hellfire Torch, which does not cause a delay.
Might max blade shield if I find a good eth weapon with ITD.Be careful with Blade Shield and ethereal weapons, as BS will reduce weapon durability.
Be careful with Blade Shield and ethereal weapons, as BS will reduce weapon durability.
Duh, that's why im looking for a good weapon with ITD or Indestructible.
So what's better than phoenix?
Ceramic Weasel
24-09-2009, 15:40
Based on the tests I did in PvP, Dream, Tiamat's with a 40%ed jewel, or anything with 2 or more 40%ed jewels will all net more damage over time than Phoenix when applied to high level BF. However, those tests were based on a continuous rate of fire, and a target with 0% resistances. Phoenix will theoretically make up ground in real situations, when you aren't firing continuously. How well it performs depends a lot on your playstyle.
That said, the more shuriken you can shoot per second means a greater frequency of crushing blows or other effects like open wounds, knockback, etc. This is another good reason to avoid Phoenix.
AnimeCraze
24-09-2009, 16:25
Duh, that's why im looking for a good weapon with ITD or Indestructible.Enlighten me on why ITD would help, or do you mean ITD and indestructible?
Ignore Target Defense. Your not going to hit monsters very often without it....
You really think 2000-3000 AR is going to cut it when using BF in hell?
Ceramic Weasel
24-09-2009, 18:26
Duh, that's why im looking for a good weapon with ITD or Indestructible.
Enlighten me on why ITD would help, or do you mean ITD and indestructible?I believe this was a reference to why it would help the loss of durability on an ethereal weapon using Blade Shield. I was a little confused by that as well.
I believe this was a reference to why it would help the loss of durability on an ethereal weapon using Blade Shield. I was a little confused by that as well.
It's not rocket science:spy:
Ceramic Weasel
25-09-2009, 10:04
I wouldn't know. I've never heard of any relationship between ITD and weapon durability, Blade Shield or no Blade Shield. For all I know there could be rockets involved. :scratchhead:
what i really want to know does Cb and ds and im almost sure OW works for bshield and bsentinel
Ceramic Weasel
26-09-2009, 05:40
Based on onderduiker's tests, Deadly Strike does, but Crushing Blow and Open Wounds do not.
I wouldn't know. I've never heard of any relationship between ITD and weapon durability.
Your confusing yourself....
I been saying from the start that ITD and Indestructible are important in an ethereal weapon for:
ITD= hitting.
Indestructible= Allows Blade Shield to be used.
Your confusing yourself....
I been saying from the start that ITD and Indestructible are important in an ethereal weapon for:
ITD= hitting.
Indestructible= Allows Blade Shield to be used.
He knows that. Your formulation that you were looking for a weapon that has ITD *or* is Indestructible is a bit strange. You are looking for both mods, not one or the other.
I don't know why you haven't picked this up after other people already pointing this out.
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