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ashwinthegrim
16-08-2009, 00:40
The hybrid plays defensive. Lays traps, and stays behind them WWing. My charger/smiter can beat it a few times, but not consistently. I need a char that can beat a defensive hybrid.

Scudstorm
16-08-2009, 01:05
Bowa, BvC, Trapper...

Kijya
16-08-2009, 10:06
I wouldn't put a bowa on that list, anything with tele ww is a hard match for bowzons.

BvC is probably the best choice, if he uses widow maker the sin cannot play defensive and in close combat the bvc will win.

wizAdept
16-08-2009, 20:30
I wouldn't put a bowa on that list, anything with tele ww is a hard match for bowzons.

BvC is probably the best choice, if he uses widow maker the sin cannot play defensive and in close combat the bvc will win.

I wouldn't put bowa on the list either, bowazons drop like flies to wwsins.

a well played necro is by far the most difficult class matchup for a hybridsin, hybridsins fare worse vs necros than ghosts or pure trappers would do. stay very defensive, boxing and using corners makes it very very difficult for the hybrid to do anything. If the hybrid hangs back its the necro's game with ibs spamming. If the hybrid chases its the necro's game with defensive play and boxing. The sin is forced to catch the necro but it is very very hard if the necro player is good and knows how to get out of stun asap.

bvc + 1 piece sorb should handle *most* ww/trappers just by reducing their traps to a tickle then out-muscling them in a few whirls. however very well played hybrids can still use the same tricks trappers use to beat bvcs, play really defensive and keep leading the barb while chipping away.
widowmaker isn't really a problem for the sin btw, shadow is likely to eat up most hits. widow just prolongs the duel with the barb hanging back more, the sin just needs to be careful.

and lastly a trap/wwsin can be outplayed by a pure trapper. trapper has the advantage with fcr bps and damage and just has to play a smart trap vs trap battle while being keen to never let the hybrid get a chance to whirl him. which shouldn't be too hard 102fcr vs 65fcr. maxblock w/s 102fcr trappers can give hybrids a difficult duel, but its really dependent on the players - if the better trapper player is the one on the hybrid, he can still outtrap and win vs trapper despite what should be a class advantage for the trapper.

Skullbash
16-08-2009, 20:40
Max Block Bone Necro, lacks the fcr/damage of a trapper and the outright damage of a ghost.

theBanger
17-08-2009, 04:54
homowhore telesmiters with sorb always ruin my day, smite is just plain ***, I find that smiters become almost unbeatable if they use tele properly, weaker ones with charge are EZ. With life tap, tele, and smite I don't think I can win, only if they don't sorb and get LT off can I win. I suggest you look into your playing tactics before you scrap your smite/charger. I have yet to find a zon that will beat me, they may find a lucky kill or two, but it really is luck, even FCers don't stand a chance. I don't possess a strong enough trap switch to even try against BvCs, I just trap, and whirl away hoping that I will do enough damage, while avoiding leaplock. I find necros are tough in pubs because I'm to scared to use BoS, but when I do, I switch to WoF instead of LS I can make it a fairly even match, (like a weaker ghost) but good one is still very difficult (like 1 kill for 2 deaths). I could always grab 1 piece sorb and trappers become tame, without sorb however and I do find them quite the PITA, but like wiz said, these battles will come down to the player more then the build. (One thing to note: if the trapper does allow me "inside" the damage can go in my favor quickly if the trapper doesn't escape fast)

I would say Smiters, Barbs in general, and Necs are my hardest fights, so I would look into those for sure.

Take off fort, and slap on an enigma before you remake to another character.

Sass
17-08-2009, 05:55
Not even a tele smiter would help vs a hybrid. Well, if the Hybrid can ww that is.

Sorb will cancel traps, but ww will kill a smiter.

mephiztophelez
17-08-2009, 07:51
those 40k+ defense sorbing lifetap clowns are a very tough duel for a ww/trapper.

overall, i find good BvC's the hardest matchup.

aoaa
18-08-2009, 02:45
A well played barb or nec will give ANY WWsin a run for its money.